for the Archbishops to tell ppl who to vote for as they have today when they urged ppl not to vote BNP - regardless of what they thing of the party they are a legal political party - they would most probably be punished if they urged ppl not to vote labout or conservative!!!
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Tbh, I don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone who to vote for, regardless of the party.
Good for the Bishes!
People who follow the advice of Archbishops shouldn't be allowed the vote, full stop 
No, it shouldn't be allowed 
Down with this sort of thing!
quote:they would most probably be punished
As the actress said to the bishop.
The Archbishops don't have that sort of power. They can only advise, but why would anyone would want to vote for Nazis ?
The church should stay out of politics and put it's own house in order
quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
The church should stay out of politics and put it's own house in order
Kaytee I couldn't agree more
Look at the state Ireland is in at the moment with the Clergy abuse scandal.quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
The Archbishops don't have that sort of power. They can only advise, but why would anyone would want to vote for Nazis ?
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
Well said, Cologne
The beardy weirdo got it right, for once. 
.... though to be fair, the church has a long history of being part of the political make up of these isles, and particularly Ireland.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!
*jollopz in to da threadz to sniffz da lady posterz crotch*
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!
I happen to think they deserve nothing but total defeat and, as GJ said earlier, the Church has a history in this country to be involved in politics, after all, the do sit in the Lords. I also disagree that there would be an uproar if he advised against any other political party, but here's the thing, there's no need because the others, whatever we might think of them, wouldn't damage the moral tissue of our society.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
.... though to be fair, the church has a long history of being part of the political make up of these isles, and particularly Ireland.
Joe, don't get me started on this subject. Listening to the radio this morning, I actually burst out crying, the state colluded with the church in the abuse of kids....its just horrendous. Moreover, it has come to light that Irelands last Taoiseach (political leader) accepted money from the clergy by way of compensation, WITHOUT prosecuting any of the abusers. (pls excuse my spellings)
quote:Originally posted by Hollygolightly:quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
.... though to be fair, the church has a long history of being part of the political make up of these isles, and particularly Ireland.
Joe, don't get me started on this subject. Listening to the radio this morning, I actually burst out crying, the state colluded with the church in the abuse of kids....its just horrendous. Moreover, it has come to light that Irelands last Taoiseach (political leader) accepted money from the clergy by way of compensation, WITHOUT prosecuting any of the abusers. (pls excuse my spellings)
Well you know I said before. My father in law was always banging on about violent Christian Brothers and it all put him off his religion, but he also used to say that the whole Irish state colluded with the church. He reckoned you couldn't get a job or anything if you weren't in with 'em. A sad state of affairs, he was a very very bitter man, but he came here and did his bit against Fascism. I wonder if the two were linked?
Didn't that Cormac Murphy O'Connor bloke try to lean on Catholic MPs to try to get a vote against the gay adoption thingy? Or am I mis-remembering
*pokes nose in*...*sees lots of big words*...*gets the feck out*
Oh no, it was the embryology law I think.
All heâs done is garner more publicity for them, theyâre better off ignored IMO.
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Down with this sort of thing!
FPMSL
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Down with this sort of thing!
Careful now!
Radio presenters aren't allowed to tell you who to vote for in election times incase they show bias and influence voting, in election times and so i think anyone else who could reach a wide demagraphic maybe shouldn't either....possibly... 
The Church is part of the fabric of the nation and shouldn't be disbarred from taking part in the democratic process.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!
I happen to think they deserve nothing but total defeat and, as GJ said earlier, the Church has a history in this country to be involved in politics, after all, the do sit in the Lords. I also disagree that there would be an uproar if he advised against any other political party, but here's the thing, there's no need because the others, whatever we might think of them, wouldn't damage the moral tissue of our society.
but the point is whatever you may think of them they are a legal political party and have the same rights as any other party - thus the church should not be allowed to try and influence votes!!
Spot the difference
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!
It's pretty common for the churches to advise on political issues I think hevva, was a situation up here not so long ago where the Catholic heirarchy advised its churchgoers against a Labour vote, and nobody fainted or anything ( except the Labour candidates who were fairly used to support from that quarter
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while not being a fan of God botherers of ANY flavour
I think I will make an exception this time
and refrain from bashing the bishop /s, any enemy of the BNP is ok with me
s better to stop em NOW than have a civil war sometime in the future
I think I will make an exception this time
and refrain from bashing the bishop /s, any enemy of the BNP is ok with me
s better to stop em NOW than have a civil war sometime in the future
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.
but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!
I happen to think they deserve nothing but total defeat and, as GJ said earlier, the Church has a history in this country to be involved in politics, after all, the do sit in the Lords. I also disagree that there would be an uproar if he advised against any other political party, but here's the thing, there's no need because the others, whatever we might think of them, wouldn't damage the moral tissue of our society.
but the point is whatever you may think of them they are a legal political party and have the same rights as any other party - thus the church should not be allowed to try and influence votes!!
We have to agree to disagree.
"legal" or not they should be criticised and derided by ALL right minded and
freedom loving people at any and every opportunity,
Because these people would remove OUR right to a democratic vote
the moment they came into power and anyone who thinks differently should wake up n smell the coffee.
freedom loving people at any and every opportunity,
Because these people would remove OUR right to a democratic vote
the moment they came into power and anyone who thinks differently should wake up n smell the coffee.
If there was an Islamist party set up, which specifically excluded non Muslims and encouraged hatred towards other religions, would you admire any Muslim clerics who preached against them to their congregations, or would you think they were overstepping the mark? 
kissy kissy for the nazis. 
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
"legal" or not they should be criticised and derided by ALL right minded and
freedom loving people at any and every opportunity,
Because these people would remove OUR right to a democratic vote
the moment they came into power and anyone who thinks differently should wake up n smell the coffee.
Although I didn't take part in it I read your posts in another thread about this issue and agreed with your views
Politics suck these days.. This country needs bringing into the 21st century.. We still have laws dating back 100s of years, We need to move forward. As for voting --- They all screw us with their excessive expences as we have seen over the past few weeks. They are all in it to win it nowadays- not to help the voters . The days when the Government listened to the unions( the people who represented the workers ) has sadly gone since the Maggie Thatcher era... I dread to think what the future holds..
Oooh
Are we bashing the bishop, again?
Are we bashing the bishop, again?
