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Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.


but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!
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Originally posted by Pretty_P:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.


but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!

I happen to think they deserve nothing but total defeat and, as GJ said earlier, the Church has a history in this country to be involved in politics, after all, the do sit in the Lords. I also disagree that there would be an uproar if he advised against any other political party, but here's the thing, there's no need because the others, whatever we might think of them, wouldn't damage the moral tissue of our society.
cologne 1
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
.... though to be fair, the church has a long history of being part of the political make up of these isles, and particularly Ireland.

Joe, don't get me started on this subject. Listening to the radio this morning, I actually burst out crying, the state colluded with the church in the abuse of kids....its just horrendous. Moreover, it has come to light that Irelands last Taoiseach (political leader) accepted money from the clergy by way of compensation, WITHOUT prosecuting any of the abusers. (pls excuse my spellings) Mad
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Originally posted by Hollygolightly:
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
.... though to be fair, the church has a long history of being part of the political make up of these isles, and particularly Ireland.

Joe, don't get me started on this subject. Listening to the radio this morning, I actually burst out crying, the state colluded with the church in the abuse of kids....its just horrendous. Moreover, it has come to light that Irelands last Taoiseach (political leader) accepted money from the clergy by way of compensation, WITHOUT prosecuting any of the abusers. (pls excuse my spellings) Mad


Well you know I said before. My father in law was always banging on about violent Christian Brothers and it all put him off his religion, but he also used to say that the whole Irish state colluded with the church. He reckoned you couldn't get a job or anything if you weren't in with 'em. A sad state of affairs, he was a very very bitter man, but he came here and did his bit against Fascism. I wonder if the two were linked? Laugh
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by cologne1:
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Originally posted by Pretty_P:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.


but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!

I happen to think they deserve nothing but total defeat and, as GJ said earlier, the Church has a history in this country to be involved in politics, after all, the do sit in the Lords. I also disagree that there would be an uproar if he advised against any other political party, but here's the thing, there's no need because the others, whatever we might think of them, wouldn't damage the moral tissue of our society.


but the point is whatever you may think of them they are a legal political party and have the same rights as any other party - thus the church should not be allowed to try and influence votes!!
P
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Originally posted by Pretty_P:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.


but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!


It's pretty common for the churches to advise on political issues I think hevva, was a situation up here not so long ago where the Catholic heirarchy advised its churchgoers against a Labour vote, and nobody fainted or anything ( except the Labour candidates who were fairly used to support from that quarterSmiler )
FM
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Originally posted by Pretty_P:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
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Originally posted by Pretty_P:
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Originally posted by cologne1:
I'm just grateful that he didn't follow Pope Pius' example and condone the Faschists. His advice can be ignored, but I feel he has the right to give it. It's a free country for now unless, that is, the BNP grows even more followers.


but there is no doubt that there would be uproar if he told ppl not to vote for conservative or labour etc - at then end of the day regardless of what anyone thinks of the BNP they are a legal political party and as such deserve the deserve the same chance as the other parties!!

I happen to think they deserve nothing but total defeat and, as GJ said earlier, the Church has a history in this country to be involved in politics, after all, the do sit in the Lords. I also disagree that there would be an uproar if he advised against any other political party, but here's the thing, there's no need because the others, whatever we might think of them, wouldn't damage the moral tissue of our society.


but the point is whatever you may think of them they are a legal political party and have the same rights as any other party - thus the church should not be allowed to try and influence votes!!

We have to agree to disagree.
cologne 1
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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
"legal" or not they should be criticised and derided by ALL right minded and
freedom loving people at any and every opportunity,
Because these people would remove OUR right to a democratic vote
the moment they came into power and anyone who thinks differently should wake up n smell the coffee.


Although I didn't take part in it I read your posts in another thread about this issue and agreed with your views Nod
Yellow Rose
Politics suck these days.. This country needs bringing into the 21st century.. We still have laws dating back 100s of years, We need to move forward. As for voting --- They all screw us with their excessive expences as we have seen over the past few weeks. They are all in it to win it nowadays- not to help the voters . The days when the Government listened to the unions( the people who represented the workers ) has sadly gone since the Maggie Thatcher era... I dread to think what the future holds..
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