Originally Posted by Geordie Lass:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Geordie Lass,
If I chose to, I could get printed a load of "You are entering a devil worshippers' zone" stickers and proclaim on those stickers that the zone permitted general debauchery, black masses and blood sacrifices of goats and virgin maidens.
If I then went around sticking those stickers to bus stops and lamp posts, would that then make such zones true 'Devil worshipping' zones?
Are you asking if I for a minute think that stickers make it so? Of course they don't. The purpose of the leaflets is to inflame public opinion.
If they were put up by the EDL they would be hate crimes of course. But they do indicate that there are certainly those who proclaim that the ultimate goal of the Muslim religion is to establish a Caliphate encompassing all the lands that they previously considered theirs and if possible all of the world. They rule such places as they do rule by violence, barbaric treatment of women and children, and they have no respect for the sanctity of life.
Do I think that the views of the entire Muslim world are accurately represented by the suicide bombers, the female mutilators and the savage oppressors of all that could be good and decent in the world? Nope.
But look around and see what is happening in all of the Muslim world and say ' where is the decency, the compassion and the love for all humankind demonstrated in those lands? Then try and take a bible in your luggage in Saudi Arabia.
You would probably be better off with Devil Worshippers
Would they? Or would they be 'hate crimes' in the narrow received opinion of the average DM reader?
I say this because the EDL hold marches and rallies with speeches where various speakers voice their opinions in a way that would make Muslims feel uneasy and threatened. Such views should be aired and it is right that they are aired in a liberal, tolerant society - as do the BNP and other far right predominantly race driven organisations.
When you mention the ultimate goal of Islam, you're forgetting that
The ultimate goal of Christians is world wide Christianity (or more appropriately, world wide dominance of a particular sect of Christianity)
The ultimate goal of socialists is world wide socialism
The ultimate goal of classical liberals is world wide laissez faire capitalism
The ultimate goal of atheists is world wide atheism
etc... etc... etc...
To me, all religion is just thought controlling mumbo jumbo used to control people and advance power bases. Read the blood soaked pages of the Old Testament and the justifications for brutality, murder and subjugation. It's a barbaric book that makes Islam look almost liberal. Would the world be better if we were all atheists as Richard Dawkins would like, probably not! The post-revolution French and Russians found ways and justifications to murder innocent people under the virtuous banner of atheism.