I'm going to defend rap and hip-hop here! May not be to everyone's taste but I've loved it since the days of Dougie Fresh and Slick Rick Some I've loved for the lyrics, some for the track. I appreciate artists like Tupac and Eminem who mainly talk/ed about their life experiences, it connects with a hell of a lot of people and was and still is a massive influence to a lot of people and 'them yooves'. I loved Big Daddy Kane and EPMD, not cos of their lyrics but cos the production and the tracks were ace. (make ya proper nod ya head innit blood). Back in the day we'd be daaan the estate with the ghetto blaster and the boys would be doing caterpillars and headspins on the lino (and I'd be standing at the side cos I couldn't do any of that stuff). I love a bit of hip-hop

Music has evolved and personally, I think it's cos in the 60's and 70's there just wasn't the technology available there is today. Back then singers had to be able to sing and cut it live, bands had to be able to play, today there's auto tune and fully pimped up recording studios, backing tracks at the ready. How much of modern day music will still be played in 20 or 30 years time? Will be interesting to know.

One of the best records EVER made (IMHO) is River Deep Mountain High by Tina Turner (Spector). That was recorded live with a full orchestra and it blows. my. friggin. jibblies. off. every time I hear it.

Yes I've gone off the course of the thread again but I don't care

Blizz, putting the kids right. You don't get the recognition you deserve 

I don't mind a bit of the hippety hoppity myself, Karma.

And I love the I can Tina Turner.

Prom, Prom, don't be silly now, they were the '60s girlie version of the Bay City Rollers, (I do have the photos.) Granted, a LOT more talented, BUT don't get carried away!

At last, I can agree with you! 

Nobody's denying that a small number of truly talented acts will live on forever. However, you seem to be making the mistake of thinking those acts dominate the industry (which is all about unit sales). They don't: the majority of sales come, and have always come, from those "drive-by wannabes" who come and go all the time. It's the Simon Cowell's and Pete Waterman's who control these acts, and continually replace them, who really run the industry. No SAW act made the top 10 singles of the 80's (though as I said, Kylie had a major album), but taken as a whole, all those minor acts working for SAW totally dominated the decade. Overall, Cowell has dominated recent record sales much more than even the Beatles ever did. Back in the 60's, it was "Tin Pan Alley" that dominated things. Sure, the Beatles were the single biggest act, but their overall sales were dwarfed by the combined sales of songs churned out by teams of American songwriters working on practically a factory scale.

No mean feat, I know this to be true 

 

Twas ever thus, Prom.
I always thought that the Singing Blue Jeans 'Hippy Hippy Shake' was the original, because I had the record. It seems that they covered it, after the Beatles covered it. 

Then when you heard Wagner singing it, you knew the apocalypse was nigh 

Indeed! 

I'm back after a little snooze (Feckin hell, I've had a shit,  best friend's dog dying 36 hours) It occurs to me as I glance to my right at my 3 bazillion cds, that amongst all the 'credibile' stuff ye just have to have a laugh too dontcha?

Just wanna say Eugene that you make some v v credible points...wine and dog dying stuff stops me from expanding. but

 I agree.

I've veered off all over the place, but I still love tut middle of tut road. I like what I like and don't care how credible it is. 

I won't mention how I read your bracketed sentence.

Aw, thanks - and a big to your friend...

ha ha, is ny drunken word of the day 'credible'

Incredibly, it might be! 

Sorry you've had a crap time, Supes! 

Oh, why did I put that comma there! You know I hate toilet humour!

 I thought you were being rather 'open', so to speak!