*whispers to Lazybuy*

Shilpa was Hindu

You can debate Christianity without taking the piss out of someone's beliefs, JJ was looking to sh*t stir, it's that simple really. He's already nominated Steve at that point, he's fast becoming the biggest bitch in the house.

Well you know what I mean lol

I know dick all about it but I couldn't think of the Indian HM's name who did read the Koran so thought of Shilpa instead  -

**blushes a bit**

Shilpa isn't Muslim, she is Hindu.   I do understand what you are saying.  It was totally out of order for JJ to say that.  It doesn't matter what the religion is, no one has the right to call into question the validity of another's "holy book".

I thought Dave handled it quite well though.  BB should have put JJ up for eviction after that - or chucked him out in the same way they chucked out Emily in BB8 for her indiscretion.

It's Ok, I find most people who want to start a rant about how Muslims have a better deal  know dick all about it either

do you mean Mo or ahmed?  i don't think either were Indian   Mo was British and I can't remember where ahmed was from


BTW I don't think either the Bible or the Koran are shit...they are excellent fairy tales on a par with Grimm and Anderson.    What men in long frocks tend to preach from it though is invariably a load of cack though

of course they do...don't be daft!

Life can be shit, life can be glorious...the Bible reflects that.

mo was  from somalia, i think.

good post dancey.

lordy what a question for a weds morning.

Okay - the Old Testament was written largely to explain creation - Adam and Eve, the great flood, the Tower of Babel all trying to explain stuff that happened.
There are lovely bits - for example the book of psalms and the book of Proverbs are great to read.
The God of the OT was a fierce unforgiving God... thus the stories in the OT are full of fire and brimstone and dreadful occurrences.
Then we have the God of the NT who is a much more fluffy and forgiving sort of God - the heavenly father concept.
The 4 Gospels are  great and IMO Jesus Christ was a brave and great man. He died for his beliefs and spoke a lot of sense.
Paul was a bigoted idiot and ruined the simple message that JC preached - Love thy neighbour as yourself... nothing wrong with that message.
Then Constantine came along and basically wrote catholicism which laid down all the rules and regulations that make religion a bad thing.

I do not think that having a  moral code to live by is a bad thing.  I do not think that the Bible is true however. The Gospels were written years after JC et al died and were an interpretation of events.

Just because some belief has a deity attached to it, doesn't mean it's immune from criticism. Bible, shmible..

Apologies if this offends but that's utter guff.  We all have the right - I hope - to call any literature or philosophy a pile of shite,  I really really hope we do. 

I treasure the fact that people can tell me what I hold true to me is complete nonsense.  I'd feel quite quite worried if that was not the case.

I'll let JJ have this one.... purely cos its Dave

It's shit to snort....Genesis got stuck right up me left one...I dunno how Dave manages it

oh and what Bateman said too

I understand what you're getting at. Whether it's shit or not, had it been said about the Korna (sp) folks would be up in arms by now, blimey, it's a crime in some places to affectionately call a teddy bear Mohammed.

Personally it doesn't bother me whether the Bible is called shit or not, I'm happy enough to have my beliefs and respect the beliefs of others, but I can understand why some folks would be offended by JJs comments...

radicals in every religion,have perverse views that distort the teachings of their chosen faith.

it's not really comparing like with like in the case of dave.

lol  

I'm gonna fatwa your ass for that one. 

"Apologies if this offends but that's utter guff.  We all have the right - I hope - to call any literature or philosophy a pile of shite,  I really really hope we do.  

I treasure the fact that people can tell me what I hold true to me is complete nonsense.  I'd feel quite quite worried if that was not the case."


  Thank you Bateman - it would be very worrying indeed if we were all banned from questioning and coming to our own decisions.  I have had the pee taken out of my beliefs nearly all my life and told by my family that what I believe is a load of c r a p - SO ?

If I decide to believe that a certain stone in my garden held special powers, it does not stop my dog p i s s i n g on it.

Chicken korna?



That belongs in the scabbaw*nks thread

For me JJ just showed a basic level of bad manners and disrespect, but there again thats nothing new with him. I don't care if Dave was reading Enid Blyton or the Bible, JJ's effing and blinding is obnoxious& rude.Just my opinion.

Which I find odd as people call their kids Mohammed

If your ever out of toilet roll.... theres always the new testament






o.j

I think parts are yes. Each to their own though.

Very true, that's why I'm happy to respect others beliefs as long as they don't force them upon me, just the same as i have my beliefs that I wouldn't force upon anybody else....any Holy Book is translated in the way the person reading it sees fit......there are radicals in every religion as you say JB.....just a shame people feel the need to try and force their beliefs upon others...sigh, Religion, the root of the Worlds problems....

 good post DID - there's nothing coercive or arrogant in your view, unlike some, with or without a belief system.

I concur, brilliantly put DiDs 

yeah, I did...  tis why I whispered it. 

Its spelt differently apparently Saz.   My son's best friend at primary school was called Mohammed... apparently the sacred version is spelled with a u instead of an o

I think....

What, like Muhammad Ali?

I asked B about it once but I can't remember what he said

You can insult christianity without the risk of being beheaded.

Oops, ha ha haaaaa!

Unless you offend The Lord by performing abortions.  In which case they just blow you up or blast your head off with an AK47.  

You can insult Islam too...ask the family of my Muslim ex and his family and imam.....me calling their holy book a crock of shite was a constant source of amusement  to them....they laughed much more than any Christian has ever done when i've done the same to them.  Very tolerant people in my experience.

The Criticism of the Koran is actively encouraged in most places too, it is there to be argued with and the arguments are enjoyed massively...and devout Muslim students in my ex's country I have spoken too told me that they are told to "leave Allah at the door"  when they enter.

Oh and the women tended to walk around a lot with their boobs on show too, contrary to the all women wear burkhas theory.

People who's world view of Muslims is as a big bunch of beheaders  are either sun readers, mail readers or plankton .  Yes there are nuts in the religion, just as there are nuts in all religions ..Perhaps there is some thick Muslim somewhere in the world now using Dave as an example of what all Christians are like ...the mind boggles

yes, I've heard all Christians do that

calling the Bible ' shit' is probably JJ's idea of literary criticism (if he has ever read a book, i'd be suprised!

Absolutely brilliantly put. My local paper website is full of these nutters as well.

Exactly.