I think he is and she will fall for it.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both as bad as each other. Destroyers of BB11

It's a classic trick by a controlling personality

you can see her thinking now as shes laying on her bed, corins trying to talk to her.

I am sure he is..... and I am praying that she just lets him get on with it.....

His sulking & silent treatment is working!!!
Damn you John James

They're equally co-dependant imo,

Yes its a form of control. 'If you dont do what I want, I shall leave you'. One way road that one ....

Oh well so much for that.  She went up in my esteem and has now plummeted.

 Ithink you're right LL

Of course he is...nasty little shit ...probably does the same to his mother

I had such high hopes that she had now grown a backbone and was seeing him for what he is.

Spot on Fairfax cant stand her more at the moment.

Pity he would not grow a backbone and see what she is ..goes both ways.

Of course it does, but I think most of us were cheering her on when she was getting him told.  Now, she is more or less backing down because she thought he was going to walk.  She is a silly girl and she should've stuck to her guns.

I fall for that one sometimes. I end up apologizing to my kids for telling them off  It doesn't happen a lot though, mind.

In a thread a few days ago, someone very accurately described Josie as an enabler, in that she helps JJ1 justify his awful behaviour by keeping on rewarding him for it.
The main blame still lies with him, though. Even though he's the sort who would claim someone else 'made' him do it, and that it was 'their' fault.

Just stuck on LF and he's pleading with her to 'build some bridges so they can get over it'. He's such a twonk!

that might have been me...I was having a deep moment.

Ahhh.. then well said!

I agree Deman but she has  loaded the gun many times stood back watch it all take off then started telling him off there is something not quite right about her.

She does enable him,she passed his compliance test with flying colours,each time she's all over him like a rash or she slips under that duvet with him despite what had previously occurred she's showing him she'll tolerate his behaviour.

definitely................he uses the 'i'll leave' or 'i won't talk to you again' card everytime she stands up to him...........and of course during one of their first rows he came out with the classic 'you made me do it' in response to her complaining he had a go at her

he knows just the right times to chip away at her if he thinks she's'getting comfortable'.......a quick....'you're thick' or something along those lines makes her once more question if she's 'good enough for him' or question what he sees in her.....and helps to 'keep her in line'

he tried turning the tables on sam when he confronted him about showergate.....'if you'd of waited sam,i was gonna talk to you one on one.but no you had to come steaming in'....and off he went ranting cos sam had gone against john james' terms...deflecting blame




he's manipulating,controlling and a nasty bit of work

Spongee tbf Josie also used the he was going to  tell you to your face in defence of JJ to Sam.

Both as bad as each other.

Which is exactly why he threatened to.
Never had any intention of going, just wanted to pull her back into line.

It's worked too

thanks  My Canadian self-help junkie friend told me all about 'enabling' recently. I'm not a big expert on human psychology, that's why I watch BB 

Only through her persistence LL she made the first move she could not stand by what she said so what was the point of her arguing with him in the first place.

I think the average psychologist could write their PhD on John James

Absolutely agree with you.

spongee I see her in the same way both are as bad as each other.

Suzy that made me chuckle

Christ! Do you think anyone could survive 30,000 words of analysis on him?  I'd just draw a graph on his 'anger curve differentiation'.

Yes Marge they are a toxic combination. Hopefully they won't see each other outside the house, I honestly think they would destroy each other and I mean that in all seriousness

she did say that yes......but this is how john james works in relation to josie.......and i mentioned sam to stress the point how he turns the tables onto other people....take corin........when they had that bust up weeks ago and she stood up to him he hated it.....but in his eyes she won't go near him......not cos she doesn't want anything to do with him.....but cos 'he won and she's scared'.............he's now ignoring josie apparently and this is her punishment as he's not pleased with her.....he'll keep it up until he's satisfied she's begged for forgiveness and he's got her back where he wants her......its how men like him operate

Very true. She also controls him with the threat of taken away her affection, so then he threatens to leave. I don't think he's ever done it for another reason.

 Cross-referencing to his neediness index.
Seriously though, as the visiting shrinks said when they came downstairs at Fawlty Towers to find Basil hopping on the floor like a frog, "there's enough material there for an entire conference."