What cos he talks slowly and repeats himself?

He has to do that cos they don't listen.

no its just the way he is

Agreed Croc.

He also thinks about what he says before he says it. Unlike them.

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Originally posted by Scotty:
Agree Croc.

He also thinks about what he says before he says it. Unlike them.

oohh errr thats a bit challenging

*sticks fingers in ears *

I think he can be at times, but the reaction to that should simply to tell him what he's doing, which I think he'd appreciate, not scream at him like a nicotine starved fishwife.

They don't understand how anyone can keep cool and calm during an argument and I think it makes them feel inferior to him when they realise they are getting steamed up and nothing seems to rile him

La La La La La

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Originally posted by Amythist:
Freddie is always being accused of being patronising by the likes of Lisa, Kris and Karly. I dont find him patronising, he certainly doesnt mean to be Im sure.Is it because they are feeling stupid because he has a rich vocabulary and can argue with reason and logic rather than the preferred method of slanging or fingers in the ears lalalaing.

Prejudice? ,inverted snobbery ?or is he patronising and using his intelligence to manipulate them into exposing their worst behaviour??

I agree with what you think Amythist - well put - he just talks intelligently - they are just assuming he is an upperclass stereotype with all the baggage associated - I don't think so sonny jim. Kris's, karli's and lisa are the particular villains in this. I mean Marcus doesn't react like they do.

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
What cos he talks slowly and repeats himself?

He has to do that cos they don't listen.

excactly

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Originally posted by Amythist:

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Originally posted by Scotty:
Agreed Croc.

He also thinks about what he says before he says it. Unlike them.

oohh errr thats a bit challenging

*sticks fingers in ears *

Verbal diarrhoea`s hard to control.

lalalalalalala

I think there is a patronising tone to his voice. Usually when you speak as slowly as Freddie does it's because you are either stoned or patronising!

What they don't seem to realise however is that it's just his natural way of speaking. Apart from when he got really excited. He seems to slur a lot of his words too, and can sound whiney at times.

Don't get me wrong - I actually prefer Freddie to a lot of the other actors in this play, but he does have a patronising edge to his voice.

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Posted 03 July 2009 11:34 AM
Freddie is always being accused of being patronising by the likes of Lisa, Kris and Karly. I dont find him patronising, he certainly doesnt mean to be Im sure.Is it because they are feeling stupid because he has a rich vocabulary and can argue with reason and logic rather than the preferred method of slanging or fingers in the ears lalalaing.

Prejudice? ,inverted snobbery ?or is he patronising and using his intelligence to manipulate them into exposing their worst behaviour??
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I think you've answered teh question quite succinctly. He is unwittingly exposing their own ignorance and it winds them up, let's face it Kris is hardly a beacon of brightness and Karly just TOTALLY showed herself up last night as a nasty little foul mouthed harridan who only did that because she felt she had protection from her gang. At least Freddy has the balls to stand up and be himself.

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Originally posted by Perones:

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Originally posted by Amythist:
Freddie is always being accused of being patronising by the likes of Lisa, Kris and Karly. I dont find him patronising, he certainly doesnt mean to be Im sure.Is it because they are feeling stupid because he has a rich vocabulary and can argue with reason and logic rather than the preferred method of slanging or fingers in the ears lalalaing.

Prejudice? ,inverted snobbery ?or is he patronising and using his intelligence to manipulate them into exposing their worst behaviour??

I agree with what you think Amythist - well put - he just talks intelligently - they are just assuming he is an upperclass stereotype with all the baggage associated - I don't think so sonny jim. Kris's, karli's and lisa are the particular villains in this. I mean Marcus doesn't react like they do.

Interesting about Marcus Perones , he has said how he didnt do well at school and thats why he tries so hard in the tasks.Hes someone who recognises the value of education albeit retrospectively.He is also right on the money with his analysis of the HM's.I think hes pretty secure in himself its the empty ones who make most noise and get rattled so easy.

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Originally posted by Amythist:
Interesting about Marcus Perones , he has said how he didnt do well at school and thats why he tries so hard in the tasks.Hes someone who recognises the value of education albeit retrospectively.He is also right on the money with his analysis of the HM's.I think hes pretty secure in himself its the empty ones who make most noise and get rattled so easy.

I agree, again well put!. I can't remember what the row was about, but very early on, he was sticking up for Freddy about something - but said it was just because he thought he was right - and nothing else. He wasn't trying to curry favour with him - just saying how he saw it. They all have their faults of course, but I think Freddie and Marcus are two who have a firm grip on their moral compass.

On the freddy point - some people just jump to conclusions if you happen to be well spoken, cogent and polite

i think the others with a couple of exceptions( ok marcus) find him patronizing because he is well spoken and educated were as the rest of them struggle to walk and talk at the same time ! most of the house mates think they are intelligent but have discovered they are as tick as two short planks when compared to freddie

Absolutely not! Freddie is rational which the others don't seem to grasp. He has more intelligence and discernment in a fingernail than most of the others between them.

They also don't understand the concept of a debate and how it's perfectly possible to disagree with someone without WW3 being started.

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Originally posted by Joods:
Absolutely not! Freddie is rational which the others don't seem to grasp. He has more intelligence and discernment in a fingernail than most of the others between them.

They also don't understand the concept of a debate and how it's perfectly possible to disagree with someone without WW3 being started.

exactly Joods

Nope he's not. I think he's slow style of speaking could bring others to that conclusion but if they listened to what he said instead of how he says it, they'd see he's just a sweet lad with a joy for life

i don't think he's patronising......just the others don't listen......and when he tries to get his point across they come back with inane comments or walk off....hence why he constantly seems to be repeating himself....they refuse to listen....

also kris has developed the annoying habit of mimicking freddie when he's bitching about him to the others....now if freddie was to adopt a brummie accent when he was talking about lisa....the numbnuts gang would go into meltdown.....

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Originally posted by Pengy:
Nope he's not. I think he's slow style of speaking could bring others to that conclusion but if they listened to what he said instead of how he says it, they'd see he's just a sweet lad with a joy for life

Ahhh yes he is. Charlie thinks hes got the monopoly on that

i find him very patronising

He has three ways of talking to people

1. Normal posh - not so drawly and faster than his other modes of speech, which he uses when he's speaking to BB and people like Siavash on a one to one basis - it seems he uses this tone to people he respects

2. Drawly hippy - when he's revelling in his exploits, which also has a bragging elememt and can be very irritating

3. Slow drawly posh - which he switches on when he's lecturing people - it's the kind of tone idiots use when they are speaking to people from non-english cultures or the deaf

The latter is the patronising one, and its interesting to watch who he uses this tone with....it's usually the ones who dislike him.....but which came first their dislike or his patronising tone......you decide

I can see how people would find him patronising...it's his facial expressions and because he's so exact and slow when he speaks I can see how he would hack them off.

But on the other hand, knowing that some one is peeing you off just because of how they speak, when they haven't in fact done anything wrong and trying to bring down their time in the house....I don't think there's any excuse for that.

Unlike the others he seems to be direct with people, asking to their faces why he's not liked they all stumble over their words tell him he's being an ass and then wander off muttering about him. Not a lot he can do about that.

Yes it is part of his gameplan to goad the others by patronising them and then stand back and play the victim. Hope he goes tonight.

Geez, YES!!!

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Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
Yes it is part of his gameplan to goad the others by patronising them and then stand back and play the victim. Hope he goes tonight.

your really need to wake up and take those rose tinted glasses off kris is a nasty scum bag bully boy were as Freddie is really a nice guy

No ... I don't think he is.

only if he doesn't make eye contact with you. Go Freddie

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Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
Yes it is part of his gameplan to goad the others by patronising them and then stand back and play the victim. Hope he goes tonight.

*said Kris is bliss*

If he spoke to me they way he does I would find him very patronising ,wether he means to be I dont know for sure perhaps it is part and parcel of his make up.

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Originally posted by Kris Is Bliss:
Yes it is part of his gameplan to goad the others by patronising them and then stand back and play the victim. Hope he goes tonight.

I can also see that could be his gameplan .

I think people are getting patronising confused with exasperated alot of the time

Is Freddie patronising?

No.

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Originally posted by Amythist:
Freddie is always being accused of being patronising by the likes of Lisa, Kris and Karly. I dont find him patronising, he certainly doesnt mean to be Im sure.Is it because they are feeling stupid because he has a rich vocabulary and can argue with reason and logic rather than the preferred method of slanging or fingers in the ears lalalaing.

Prejudice? ,inverted snobbery ?or is he patronising and using his intelligence to manipulate them into exposing their worst behaviour??

I don't think he is patronising at all. I think it is more the case of them feeling threatened because he is more intelligent and articulate then they are.

Halfwits tone of voice makes it comes over as patronising, i don't think he is.

But it is easy to believe he could be.

I agree that he is not being litened to, nor given the chance to explain his reasoning.

I like him.

He can be at times but the key thing is that he doesnt mean to be at least thats my opinion and it would be difficult not to with the people he has had to deal with. Its also difficult to argue without one negative trait coming through be it anger, patronisation, defensive, passive aggressive or whatever.

However the HMs complaining about him being patronising are being patronising themselves. For example when Karly said he would understand when he sees the show outside. That is a very patronising statement to make.

He has been judged by his upbringing and what he wants to do for a living more so than any other HM in there. Its about time a few reflected on that a bit, I am sure they wouldnt like that done to them.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:
He can be at times but the key thing is that he doesnt mean to be at least thats my opinion and it would be difficult not to with the people he has had to deal with. Its also difficult to argue without one negative trait coming through be it anger, patronisation, defensive, passive aggressive or whatever.

However the HMs complaining about him being patronising are being patronising themselves. For example when Karly said he would understand when he sees the show outside. That is a very patronising statement to make.

He has been judged by his upbringing and what he wants to do for a living more so than any other HM in there. Its about time a few reflected on that a bit, I am sure they wouldnt like that done to them.

Its quite an easy cheap shot to say that to anyone who is well spoken and educated.

Re being judged,I guess its not the best time to want to be an MP when they are public enemy no.1 since the expenses scandal.

I think Freddy's tone is measured rather than patronising

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Originally posted by Shiver:
I think people are getting patronising confused with exasperated alot of the time

I'm not surprised he's exasperated, rarely is he allowed to finish what he's trying to say. I admire him for staying as calm as he does

He's a patronising toff and I hope he goes tonight.