I am sorry if I am in the minority here but skulls and the like are symbols of death.

A baby is a new life - why would anyone ever want to dress them up like they are a hell's angel?

What about innocence?

Just for some balance... the stuff on the ruthless-toothless site isn't all black or gothy type, it's more alternative. They have dresses too!

Bunny skulls?

Bunnies are not innocent......they shag like, well, bunnies!

Well this baby grow isn't black......

Bunny skulls would be quite acceptable

You can see it much better now, thanks for that!

|Aww hen...then dinny worry!

Ah but would baby if you`re holding them up to the mirror?  

PMSL   xx

I doubt that a baby would know any different  At 3 months, I don'tt hink my daughter could have expressed a preference or distinguished between an image of a skull or a bunny.

i'm going to buy that , it is gawjuss  

I'd love to see peoples faces if you took your bairn out in a Motorhead t shirt    Don't see much wrong with dressing them in rock t shirts or Beatles babygros now and again, but dressing them in things with bunnies and disney  on sometimes is good too, they are babies after all.  Whats more, I have seen goths with babies, (and punks/rockers) and they almost always have them dressed in regular baby clothes...  not 'goth' clothes.  Its like if you're a veggie, you should never force your child to not have meat.  Don't impose your views and styles on your young; let them make up their own minds.. 

re the calling your baby cowbag or shitbag or whatever, that seems a bit rude towards the baby, but maybe she is sick of being pregnant and I am sure she doesn't mean anything nasty. Only you know what she is like deep down auntie fester.  But you have every right to not be happy about it.  But it is her child and unfortunately it won't be up to you what the woman dresses her in, or what 'pet names' she calls her.  All you can do, if it carries on and the names get worse, is have a word with your son and say it's making you feel uneasy. 

The wanting to cut the baby out with a knife is pretty weird though.  And a tad worrying.  Obv she didnt mean it literally (I hope!) but its an strange thing to say.  Hope all goes well.  It must be really hard wheh you have grandchildren and you have issues with your child's partner.  Should you say anything: should you not? 

Is this the same woman who you were talking about a few weeks back, saying that she wouldn't let you speak to your son?

not being a mum and therefore never gonna be a grandma I dunno if I am qualified to comment. .but I will anyway..

I think I'd only start worrying if the name cowbag was the chosen name for the birth certificate.  other than that I'd say  tis her bump [not officially a grandchild til born] so I reckon she's entitled to call it whatever she wants.

Blimey  I hope I;m not going to be a grandma either! 

you'd make a very good grandma Growly. .I can just picture it

*readies bundles of wool and knitting needles *

  The thought of being a grandma is too dreadful to contemplate!

But perhaps you can put your knitting needles to good use by knitting me some nice vegetables

you would make a wondrous grandma Growly. .complete with flowery ensembles..

Oh I shall start knitting you a butternut squash.. or I could do a potato. .any preference?

Oh a knitted butternut squash would be wonderful!      I wouldn't mind a nice knitted fruit salad as well?


i don't mind kitty sitting for Jnr when she is older, but not baby sitting.  Not for all the floral ensembles in Bluewater

Knitting isnt just for grandmas

Im 27 and wouldnt dream of knitting a blanket  or crocheting 2 more nor would i be making one for a pregnant friend right now.

   

send me the knitting patterns and I'll get started on the Squash.. 

surely it doesn't matter if a baby is dressed in a skull t shirt as long as he or she is loved and cared for?.....

I agree 100%, it's not my taste but a baby really doesnt care what colour you dress them in.

Exactly and they aren't on for long anyway....or maybe it's just my babies that pooped, slevered and puked and had to be changed 5 times a day 

You're not alone, mine were the same.

My mate calls her bump RuBin as its a mix of the pet names they have for one another, maybe their pet names for each other are Cow & Bag???

Violet is a lovely name.

The 'I'm about to rock, salute me hoody' is the best ever. My mate would love that, what site was that on? *reads back again*

http://www.punkbabyclothes.net...p_image.php?pID=5254

I can see myself spending a fortune on that site thanks for that.

I spent hours on there last night Beamers..    I even put together a little outfit..   

I just need someone to have a baby girl for me to dress up now.  

Otherwise the dog is just gonna have to suck it up and wear the green & black tutu!

Its  not how much they are loved - that is not the issue Spongey.

I just personally cannot see why you would want to put an innocent little baby into an item of clothing that symbolises death. That has got nothing to do with how much you love them - it just seems such an odd thing to do.

But that is only my ( minority) opinion.
I just think it looks rank quite frankly.
If the child wants to dress like a goth when they are old enough then that is their choice.

I would find dressing a kid like that far less offensive than baptising them into a religion that they have no choice in, or imposing vegetariansism or something like that on them.

And I agree with you there as well.

Doesn't anybody dress babies in nice pastel colours any more?

Seemingly not 

Nooooooo! I might not have been able to find much in the way of gothy or black clothes when Growly Jnr was little, but I never dressed her is pastel girly colours. 

I'm starting to feel like a dinosaur.