OK we may as well agree to differ.

Best to just agree to differ.

Is there some Scottish objection to the word cowbag? I only ask as it looks like most of the fms who are askance at it are Scottish.
I'm asking seriously btw not having a dig before anyone thinks I am. In London the word is the sort of word you would say to a mate almost as a - well not term of endearment exactly - but you would use it with mates without them taking offence.
You wouldn't use it as an insult if you were having an argument with someone - not in London anyway

  It's true! It's like on Eastenders when they try to go all heavyweight calling someone a scumbag - that is definitely NOT how the true Eastend peoples get their point across

That's what I meant Karma. Mind you I don't watch EE but genuine London ruck language wouldn't get on tv after the watershed never mind beforehand

Veggie, I think it's because the word cowbag is being used to describe a baby. The word cowbag being used (in a jokey way) between adults wouldn't bother me.

I'm curious as to why you would see it as being worse to call a baby a cowbag than an adult? 

Babies are innocents and cannot answer back I would say is a good enough reason.

What about bitch?

Where is your line with your DIL?

Ah ok thanks Yogi. See I would raise my eyebrows if this woman was describing someone elses baby or bump in that way - but then it would be none of my business if the parents of the child saw nothing wrong in it.

Is that question for me VD? My son and DIL called both my grandsons Bean before they were born. My line with my DIL is to support her and my son, give advice when I'm asked for it and help them out in anyway I can.
What colour she dresses my grandsons in is none of my business

Unless cowbag has a meaning that I'm not aware of, I think the two names are different. Whilst I wouldn't have called Growly Jnr a bitch, if she chose to call her own unborn baby a name like that, it would be none of my business.  I think there's also a very big difference between giving your bump a name, w hich others may or may not think is wrong, and calling a baby or child by anything that is not it's name, or an accepted term of endearment.

Nah Growley Veggie.

Does she have a DIL yet?

I'm sure she'll not fret.

Sorry Growly, I had to go and pick up my son from the station. I agree with Issy's reply.

No probs, Veggie.

I've asked my English hubby how he would use the word cowbag and he said it wouldn't be in a jokey way, it would be used to describe someone he didn't like - but he's a northener.

We know Yogi.

I've lived in London all my life and I can't say that it's a word I've ever come across before, which is why I asked whether it had a deeply offensive meaning that I'm not aware of. I didn't think it sounded any more offensive than shitbag.

Hello Velvet.

Somebody where I work is heavily pregnant and calls her bump 'Alien' .. as in John Hurt's touch of indigestion in the Film... but it is not said with any hint of malice. Strikes me that carrying the thing around for nine months is effort enough if you can't make a joke about it .. OP might be reading too much into this 

Do I have to say .. IMO?


Z.

What a load of puff!  

If it really was your DIL - you`d be having bloody kittens! 

Alien....Cowbag....

I can spot the difference.

IMO.

 Apparently it's de riguer south of the border 

   

Well Done


Z.

If that's aimed at me, I don't have a DIL and there is no chance that I will ever have one.  But if it was my daughter, then it really wouldn't bother me.  If she was pregnant, once I'd got over the shock and horror, I would be out scouring Camden Market for gothy little baby clothes, and really wouldn't care what she chose to call her foetus.

I am an old fashioned sort of person and think that babies and children should have comfortable clothes that are easy to wash and feel soft to the skin, They should also be made to the highest safety standards.

So whether it is goth, or metallica teeshirts or haute couture, my child's comfort would come first, not what they looked like.

Would I?  Perhaps you'd be good enough to explain how you know this

hahaha!

Yes, I have to agree with you that this is really importnat, Issy.  I would just spend that bit longer looking for black and gothy clothes that would meet those criteria

I have to know.... if you find any can you somehow get a photo cos I would love to see baby goth clothes 

Not aimed at you Growly - general to the discussion. 

I don`t have a daughter or dil either. If I did I wouldn`t tell her how to dress her baby. I might have my thoughts ( ) but I wouldn`t say a thing but if she called her unborn child names like that in front of me, I`d say my piece and she`d know it.

omg  i really didn't mean to open such a big can of worms ( i'm scared to come in here now ) i'm not good with words  and don't express myself well , but it is just my thinking that my grandaughter would be my princess or ma wee angel etc etc , it just shocks me the way she casually calls her cowbag   which in answer to some maybe scot's do take an offence to , thanks to velvet donkey , scotty , yogi and cupcake who i assume know where i'm coming from , when the baby is here her real name will be violet ,  anyway thank you all for your replies 

I just know. 

Violet is a really lovely name btw

As long as she doesn't end up calling the baby Violent

Sorry Zaph - I'm a prick at times 

No Scotty, you don't know. You don't know me or my DIL or how I interact with her other than what I have posted here.

Aww, I have a Violet, good luck with it all Granny Fester 

thanks ........ must admit i like it too 

I would not let my DIL off with such a derogatory thing to call an unborn baby and I would also put my butt into the black dress crap. I don't believe that girls should be in pink and boys in blue, but neither do I think that a tiny little human with no will of it's own should be dressed in black.