could she have won a normal series and come out to cheers?
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We will never know.. but will take guess and say aggressive/ drunken/bad behaviour woman who have been on the ordinary BB would not have lasted long or gotten away with what Denise did..I would say she would have been bood badly by the crowd had she not been a celebrity.. in my opinion..Denise has come out of this smelling of roses
Originally Posted by Marguerita:
We will never know.. but will take guess and say aggressive/ drunken/bad behaviour woman who have been on the ordinary BB would not have lasted long or gotten away with what Denise did..I would say she would have been bood badly by the crowd had she not been a celebrity.. in my opinion..Denise has come out of this smelling of roses
Thats what I would have said. She would have been lucky to survive the first eviction.
Originally Posted by longcat:
Originally Posted by Marguerita:
We will never know.. but will take guess and say aggressive/ drunken/bad behaviour woman who have been on the ordinary BB would not have lasted long or gotten away with what Denise did..I would say she would have been bood badly by the crowd had she not been a celebrity.. in my opinion..Denise has come out of this smelling of roses
Thats what I would have said. She would have been lucky to survive the first eviction.
dunno ? .... I suppose she could have. It depends on who and why they voted for her I guess. I reckon she won because of her loose women / waterloo rd fan base.
In a normal big bro as a non celebrity, I suppose some people might have identified with her for various reasons. Some will no doubt have viewed Denise as a drunk 50 something with emotional issues & others will have seen her as a middle aged woman who likes a drink and knows how to enjoy herself, it all depends on your viewpoint, simple as that really.
I don't think the GBP voting for her had anything to do with her getting tipsy, or even being a Celeb. I think they voted for her because they felt she was treated badly ... Exactly as they did Aaron . Others had winning in the palm of their hand, but threw that chance away. And I also think people have exaggerated the effect of BBots , because they apparently slated Aaron and he still won
Originally Posted by longcat:
Originally Posted by Marguerita:
We will never know.. but will take guess and say aggressive/ drunken/bad behaviour woman who have been on the ordinary BB would not have lasted long or gotten away with what Denise did..I would say she would have been bood badly by the crowd had she not been a celebrity.. in my opinion..Denise has come out of this smelling of roses
Thats what I would have said. She would have been lucky to survive the first eviction.
She'd have been lucky to still be IN by the first eviction, given the drunken argumentativeness and the pathetic neediness.
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by longcat:
Originally Posted by Marguerita:
We will never know.. but will take guess and say aggressive/ drunken/bad behaviour woman who have been on the ordinary BB would not have lasted long or gotten away with what Denise did..I would say she would have been bood badly by the crowd had she not been a celebrity.. in my opinion..Denise has come out of this smelling of roses
Thats what I would have said. She would have been lucky to survive the first eviction.
She'd have been lucky to still be IN by the first eviction, given the drunken argumentativeness and the pathetic neediness.
But the majority of the HM's didn't really see it like that, did they.... nor the GBP.. so why would it be different if it was the ordinary BB. I don't understand the logic
well, she would have got a warning for the slap she gave michael and another for the pants pulling.
i don't know how many warnings they are allowed before they are thrown out.
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
well, she would have got a warning for the slap she gave michael and another for the pants pulling.
i don't know how many warnings they are allowed before they are thrown out.
I believe it's 2 warnings and then if there is a 3rd transgression they are thrown out/asked to leave.
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
well, she would have got a warning for the slap she gave michael and another for the pants pulling.
i don't know how many warnings they are allowed before they are thrown out.
Maybe in the old C4 days she would jackson.... but it seems C5 have different rules..... Having said that, did she actually slap him????
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
well, she would have got a warning for the slap she gave michael and another for the pants pulling.
i don't know how many warnings they are allowed before they are thrown out.
Maybe in the old C4 days she would jackson.... but it seems C5 have different rules..... Having said that, did she actually slap him????
Yes she did. She put her fist right in his face and slapped him.
even the threat of a slap , in the past, has been enough for hm's to get a warning .
she was like a scarier version of michelle bass, so I'd say she'd have had no chance.
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
even the threat of a slap , in the past, has been enough for hm's to get a warning .
She won on the strength of what she done to Karissa,fact,imagine what would have happened if Michael had reacted to her and threatened to punch her back,she'd be ensconced in Buckingham Palace today.
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
even the threat of a slap , in the past, has been enough for hm's to get a warning .
She won on the strength of what she done to Karissa,fact,imagine what would have happened if Michael had reacted to her and threatened to punch her back,she'd be ensconced in Buckingham Palace today.
that's what p's me off most about her winning... the fact that you just know she's gonna drone on and on about it being a victory for the older fun loving woman and how much she's loved for who she is, when in fact she only won by default. I think even a large portion of her supporters admit that.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
even the threat of a slap , in the past, has been enough for hm's to get a warning .
She won on the strength of what she done to Karissa,fact,imagine what would have happened if Michael had reacted to her and threatened to punch her back,she'd be ensconced in Buckingham Palace today.
that's what p's me off most about her winning... the fact that you just know she's gonna drone on and on about it being a victory for the older fun loving woman and how much she's loved for who she is, when in fact she only won by default. I think even a large portion of her supporters admit that.
If CBB winner was determined by *Victim* status then yes she won fair and square,she played the victim and was portrayed as the victim every which way when in fact most of the time she was the instigator.Can anything productive(aside from monetary value) be gained from her winning,imo no,I wish her well,I wish her family well but don't hold out much hope for positive change.
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
If CBB winner was determined by *Victim* status then yes she won fair and square,she played the victim and was portrayed as the victim every which way when in fact most of the time she was the instigator.Can anything productive(aside from monetary value) be gained from her winning,imo no,I wish her well,I wish her family well but don't hold out much hope for positive change.
I know a few of us said if Frankie won it would send him the wrong message... not so different imo.
I just hope to hell they keep her hidden away on daytime TV out of my way.
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
If CBB winner was determined by *Victim* status then yes she won fair and square,she played the victim and was portrayed as the victim every which way when in fact most of the time she was the instigator.Can anything productive(aside from monetary value) be gained from her winning,imo no,I wish her well,I wish her family well but don't hold out much hope for positive change.
I know a few of us said if Frankie won it would send him the wrong message... not so different imo.
I just hope to hell they keep her hidden away on daytime TV out of my way.
Her indifferent flippant reply in relation to if getting her boobs out causes embarrassment to her family said it all for me,it's all about her and will remain that way.
Jay McKray was second.
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
well, she would have got a warning for the slap she gave michael and another for the pants pulling.
i don't know how many warnings they are allowed before they are thrown out.
Maybe in the old C4 days she would jackson.... but it seems C5 have different rules..... Having said that, did she actually slap him????
She punched him, it showed it a few times last night and she even cringed at it..
Oh god, im going to have to watch loose women just so I can rant at her basking in the limelight and congratulating herself and her tits. 
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Jay McKray was second.
good point 
I don't understand all this "If Denise this, if Denise that!"
How about "if Michael was a bin man, would he get away with ripping off Laughing Len's crap poetry?"
If the twins were Sunday School teachers ..........
If Frankie were a pensioner...... 
If Andrew Stone was Louis Spence?....
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
I don't understand all this "If Denise this, if Denise that!" How about "if Michael was a bin man, would he get away with ripping off Laughing Len's crap poetry?" If the twins were Sunday School teachers ..........
Sunday School would be better attended?
Originally Posted by stonks:
If Andrew Stone was Louis Spence?....
Good one!
Originally Posted by stonks:
If Andrew Stone was Louis Spence?....
If Michael and the twins had been British,Denise American?
I think I phrased my question wrong. I think it should said could an ordinary HM in the normal BB have behaved like Denise and still have won the show?
Originally Posted by longcat:
I think I phrased my question wrong. I think it should said could an ordinary HM in the normal BB have behaved like Denise and still have won the show?
I know what you meant Longcat,and it is a good question.
i understood the question too long cat, its just the residnet pedant being awkward...
Originally Posted by Angel:
In a normal big bro as a non celebrity, I suppose some people might have identified with her for various reasons. Some will no doubt have viewed Denise as a drunk 50 something with emotional issues & others will have seen her as a middle aged woman who likes a drink and knows how to enjoy herself, it all depends on your viewpoint, simple as that really.
Exactly, Angel.
Denise reminded me of your one who's work of art was defaced by Rex(?) i think, Jenny or something..
Originally Posted by Cold Sweat:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
I don't understand all this "If Denise this, if Denise that!" How about "if Michael was a bin man, would he get away with ripping off Laughing Len's crap poetry?" If the twins were Sunday School teachers ..........
Sunday School would be better attended?
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by stonks:
If Andrew Stone was Louis Spence?....
If Michael and the twins had been British,Denise American?
She would'nt have stood a chance......
She'd have been out in the first week.
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
There ya go,she propositioned Michael,he turned her down hence her anger at him.Tim should get rid.