As Davina said lastnight Josie starts on Sam most the time its just not being shown so I would'nt condem him as a bully....

JJ isn't even condemning it Spider, he's pulled Sam up once and only because Josie said he'd hurt her and went on at him

Correct.  He LAUGHED at Sam's comment about Josie wearing bathing suits.

I don't know how Josie didn't lamp him, not a bit of wonder she hated him...and I'll state again I am not a Josie fan

I was  JJ fan but have gone right off him Sam is much worse than JJ his insults to josie are relentless and very personal the rudest HM ever on BB in my opinion.

JJ... Rachael... Week 1.

I'm about equal par Marguerita, I can't believe JJ sat and laughed at the bikini remark

I know what you are saying spider but Sams insults come thick and fast and are very personal he is constantly trying to bring her down in front of the whole house,shame on JJ for not sticking up for her more and when he did last night she got angry she does not want Sam to think he is getting to her, they dont compare and I am not sticking up for JJ by saying that he is a horrible prat.

He set his sights on breaking her down and getting her out and he succeeded...he was vile towards her, she didn't deserve that.........

He mostly picks on the women I know but I haven't forgotten him boasting that he could get Ben to walk.

i find it more weird that people slate john james yet praise sam...

Funny how what goes around comes around. I know JJ isn't getting the same treatment from Sam, but someone he's (allegedly) close to is.

Very weird ..I wonder why

Equally weird.  They are two of a kind.  As I said in my OP the main difference is the quantity of female housemates made to suffer at the hands of John James, but I don't doubt for a minute that had Sam been in from the start he'd have an equally extensive list of VICTIMS.

Its called KARMA

John James has never said anything remotely as nasty as Sam has said.

he's reduced a woman to tears by constantly picking on her...kept on at sunshine over how large her nose was,dragged her across the carpet giving her nasty burns......all while she was yelling for him to stop..(but in jj's eyes he was right  to do it cos he'd given her a 'warning').....told corin she was only in the house cos she had 'bolt on's'...picked a row with her.....told rachel she was a motormouth.............i'm seeing similarities between him and sam myself

I disagree.

And lest we forget Rachael's "look" which caused him to make her short stay in the house a living hell.

I don't think he intentionally set out to hurt her. Even she said he didn't realise she was hurt and they were only playing.

Oh, that's OK then.  Her shouts for him to stop and her subsequent crying made me think it wasn't for a minute.

point taken longcat.......but even so.....she asked him to stop and he didn't......he had to carry it on

i'd forgotten that!!.....yes he used to sit on the sofas imitating her.

Oh come on, he said about how large the nose was on the puppet and he wasn't the only one either

He asked sunshine not to throw water over him...

Corin is only in the house because she looks like Jordon..also sam said the other day that he wouldn't get in the bed with corin because 'there was too much silicon' I think the latter was far worse.

How can you deny Rachel is a motor mouth? 

Sam is far nastier. Telling a self concious female that 'It should be illegal for you to wear a bikini' is far worse than anything JH has ever done

Also about Rachels look, JJ got at her because if anyone said anything that she disagreed with she gave them a look as if to say she was better than the rest. Davinia even said it on launch night FFS.

His scowling menacing stare is way worse than any look Rachael gave.

Let's be serious about this.  His hair was bone dry the whole way through him dragging her to the pool.  If he did have water thrown on him (we never got to see either way), it must have been the most insignificant amount because there was absolutely no evidence of him being wet.

In any case his OVERreaction resulted in physical harm to Sunshine.  This is indisputable.  John James is the worst type of bully, picking on females and weak males, while cowardly avoiding confrontation with the stronger housemates.

When people play rough and tumble like they were that day. They often say stop only to carry on five minutes later. My point is he didn't intentionally hurt her. He said sorry and she accepted it and moved on.

Are you willing to make excuses for Sam's nasty behaviour towards Josie?  Or is it just John James that gets the excuses?

I'm not making excuses I'm saying Sam is far more personal than JJ

 lol, if anyone overreacted it was Sunshine, she even admitted so herself.

to be fair to sam river.....at least he didn't crudely call corin's breasts 'bolt ons'.......i don't think rachel is a motormouth personally........she was chatty but so what?.....he didn't like it so gave her a label........the whole sunshine thing was down to the fact she did something he asked her not too....should she have done it?..no......but his reaction was way ott......

They can both be pretty nasty.

I just get the feeling that Sam really gets off on it.

But do you think he set out to hurt her? Or was it a result of rough and tumble?

Bolt ons is an Australian term for breasts.

JJ and Sunshine were messing about, he said if you do that again your going in the pool..I can't really see what you lot are missing.

Breast implants, I presume.

He did, but was too rough carrying out his threat.

He's old enough to understand friction burns, etc.