@slimfern posted:Chris Whitty said we should open up as much as possible, because the winter months are going to prove hard otherwise
I don't believe that. Read it too. It's all he said she said 
@velvet donkey posted:If it's true it's a full 180.
From what I gathered from it was the concern of other viruses....the usual ones that folk catch but haven't because of distancing.......once we open fully, those viruses/bugs will start to pop up again causing mayhem on top of Covid.
It's already started amongst school children
There's gonna be 140,000 at Silverstone. And Goodwood's Festival of Speed is on - albeit with proof.
This is wait and see.
@slimfern posted:They're talking about stopping the daily figure announcement, as they are out of context to the actual situation regards hospitalisations and deaths.....so continuing to spread fear.
The daily figures are proving inaccurate the more they delve into them….so I suppose project fear is wearing thin amongst many people now ,too many are ignoring the rules or to be kind,deciding to look after themselves
@velvet donkey posted:There's gonna be 140,000 at Silverstone. And Goodwood's Festival of Speed is on - albeit with proof.
This is wait and see.
@Baz posted:No, I’m not really Kaytee …..and if the figures for Scotland are anything to go by we will see an even bigger rise in the wake of the England match yesterday .🙄❤️❤️
Absolute certainty…..many thousands were meeting together in fan zones on top of the 50,000 at the actual match❤️❤️
@Baz posted:No, I’m not really Kaytee …..and if the figures for Scotland are anything to go by we will see an even bigger rise in the wake of the England match yesterday .🙄❤️❤️
Correct Baz. Dundee and Edinburgh are sky high - probs the worst in the UK mainland.
I just don't get the blasay attitude north and south
@velvet donkey posted:Correct Baz. Dundee and Edinburgh are sky high - probs the worst in the UK mainland.
I just don't get the blasay attitude north and south
Nor me Velvet
The Evening Standard’s revealed health workers and volunteers on the front line of the vaccine roll-out in London are being physically and verbally abused by anti-vaxxers.
Council leaders and the capital’s top nurse shared details of a number of incidents in the wake of the attack on Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, at the weekend.
Our health editor Ross Lydall says these range from vaccine buses being targeted by anti-jab protesters to online abuse and threatening calls to council call centres.
He also says he’s heard claims of protesters pretending to be going for a vaccine, and then harassing staff inside centres.
@slimfern posted:The Evening Standard’s revealed health workers and volunteers on the front line of the vaccine roll-out in London are being physically and verbally abused by anti-vaxxers.
Council leaders and the capital’s top nurse shared details of a number of incidents in the wake of the attack on Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, at the weekend.
Our health editor Ross Lydall says these range from vaccine buses being targeted by anti-jab protesters to online abuse and threatening calls to council call centres.
He also says he’s heard claims of protesters pretending to be going for a vaccine, and then harassing staff inside centres.
What the heck is the matter with people 
@slimfern posted:Can you imagine the hooha if vaccines were made compulsory ...we'd have riots
Some folk just shouldn't be allowed out in civil society...
It's genuinely like living in a parallel universe slim
I don't even know if I exist or if I'm a passing traveller.
@velvet donkey posted:It's genuinely like living in a parallel universe slim
I don't even know if I exist or if I'm a passing traveller.
You and me both Velvet 
@Kaytee posted:Yes,bliddy idiots
Add them to those who keep visiting the 'staycation hotspots' and will have their holidays no matter what....the UK is full of grade A idiots.....covid figures have more than doubled in our area inside a week and will only get worse as the summer break draws nearer 
@slimfern posted:Add them to those who keep visiting the 'staycation hotspots' and will have their holidays no matter what....the UK is full of grade A idiots.....covid figures have more than doubled in our area inside a week and will only get worse as the summer break draws nearer
I’m fed up with people whingeing about not being able to go abroad and moaning about the cost of UK holidays……I just tell them to pretend that they were born when I was young and a day out was classed as a holiday and get on with it
@velvet donkey posted:It's genuinely like living in a parallel universe slim
I don't even know if I exist or if I'm a passing traveller.
@Baz posted:You and me both Velvet
Maybe we're all figments of someone else's imagination! 
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Maybe we're all figments of someone else's imagination!
That's kind of a scary thought 
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Maybe we're all figments of someone else's imagination!
@slimfern posted:That's kind of a scary thought
Tonight's Corovirus briefing from downing dtreet ...... GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Tonight's Corovirus briefing from downing dtreet ...... GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gary Bacon @fatgazboOh God! The PM is suggesting that we rely on common sense. This is the country that panicked & phoned the police when KFC ran out of chicken. #DowningStreetBriefing
Harry Cole went out with Symmonds. He's the Political Editor of the Sun. He gets cctv exclusive of Hancock who knows when - breaks the news. Hancock was a dove. Boris calls a double bluff saying case closed end of the Friday knowing Hancocks done. Possibly another Sun blackmail exclusive for Sunday. Johnson hires a hawk who knows feck all about health and it's herd immunity - no going back. Job done. Deffo inside job.
Boris wanted herd immunity from the start - would mean he'd have very little to actually do - but the outcry was too great. So new plan A was to get a good many vaccinated, then basically go back to original 'plan' for herd immunity, because enough of the 'lacking common sense' population will be so tired of and frustrated by the restrictions that they'll buy anything they're fed about reasons for ditching everything in one fell swoop!
They are now quite clearly pandering to the uncaring masses!
I do understand that with transmission rates falling and a greater proportion of the population having been double vaccinated therefore the risks having been reduced, society can start to open up a bit more, but this is still a very new virus and we still don't really know a great deal about it and certainly no idea of possible long term effects, it still feels a bit rash to chuck away all the rest of the restrictions in one go. And I apply this to all parts of the UK, as it appears we're all going to ditch most of everything left pretty much in one go, though the different parts of the UK might do it on different dates, but close enough together as will make little difference.
@Baz posted:They are now saying there could be 100,000 infections daily by mid August …..so how the heck can they justify saying people don’t need to wear masks
Same as how they 'justified everything else! We're all vaccinated, or soon will be, so less likely to die.
Remember when Covid emerged the general assumption was that as it was A CORONAVIUS it would behave EXACTLY like all other coronaviruses, i.e. more or less disappear during the warmer months (late Spring to early Autumn) and only become of more concern in winter. In a way it does have this effect, but while colds and flu start from a very low base and increase in winter, Covid is starting from a much higher base (possibly higher than cold and flu's peak) and increasing to a much higher peak. So in these early days (of our knowledge of Covid) wouldn't it make more sense to get the starting base as low as possible?
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:They are now quite clearly pandering to the uncaring masses!
I do understand that with transmission rates falling and a greater proportion of the population having been double vaccinated therefore the risks having been reduced, society can start to open up a bit more, but this is still a very new virus and we still don't really know a great deal about it and certainly no idea of possible long term effects, it still feels a bit rash to chuck away all the rest of the restrictions in one go. And I apply this to all parts of the UK, as it appears we're all going to ditch most of everything left pretty much in one go, though the different parts of the UK might do it on different dates, but close enough together as will make little difference.
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Same as how they 'justified everything else! We're all vaccinated, or soon will be, so less likely to die.
Remember when Covid emerged the general assumption was that as it was A CORONAVIUS it would behave EXACTLY like all other coronaviruses, i.e. more or less disappear during the warmer months (late Spring to early Autumn) and only become of more concern in winter. In a way it does have this effect, but while colds and flu start from a very low base and increase in winter, Covid is starting from a much higher base (possibly higher than cold and flu's peak) and increasing to a much higher peak. So in these early days (of our knowledge of Covid) wouldn't it make more sense to get the starting base as low as possible?
Spot on EFFT 
I don't necessarily think it's about pandering to the uncaring masses but more about getting the country going again, more specifically, the economy, and doing it in a way that they (the government) are held less accountable...hence leaving it up to joe public to decide how they behave ........money!
@Former Member posted:Hi everyone ! Corona is killing hot climates, it’s not just a winter thing. It can travel on pollen which explains why it hit the US sun belt so hard last summer.Just don’t understand the approach the UK has and is taking. It’s like watching a train wreck over and over in slow motion and not being able to do anything to stop it.
Hey Roxan 
Par for the course here in the UK, with rubbish people in charge...driving the train
Hi Roxan, how are you keeping?
We've been watching the train wreck for about 18 months now.......and there's still no definite end in sight!
