velvet donkey posted:

The WHO aren't the be all and end all on this. And they're political - they don't want to tread on toes. That guy Ryan could hardly string a sentence together without umming and awing and plenty emms.

 

Still......

The trouble is, who do we believe and what advice do we follow?
Professor Jonathan Van-Tam (one of England’s Depute Chief Medical Officers) “is an internationally recognised flu, vaccine and respiratory expert. During his 25-year career, he has advised the World Health Organization, the UK Government and The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control on influenza and other respiratory virus infections.”

I’m listening to him because I believe he probably knows what he is talking about...as much as any other “expert” does atm.
So much is unknown, we really are in the dark. 

Yogi19 posted:

velvet donkey posted:

The WHO aren't the be all and end all on this. And they're political - they don't want to tread on toes. That guy Ryan could hardly string a sentence together without umming and awing and plenty emms.

 

Still......

The trouble is, who do we believe and what advice do we follow?
Professor Jonathan Van-Tam (one of England’s Depute Chief Medical Officers) “is an internationally recognised flu, vaccine and respiratory expert. During his 25-year career, he has advised the World Health Organization, the UK Government and The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control on influenza and other respiratory virus infections.”

I’m listening to him because I believe he probably knows what he is talking about...as much as any other “expert” does atm.
So much is unknown, we really are in the dark. 

That is the bottom line Yogi. It is all unknown and who do you believe. Every expert out there is sticking their beak in and there's a lot of conflicting opinion.

Still, we get to see inside people's houses and how they live now everything is video linked. Always do it with a shelve load of books you haven't read behind to impress    

That's what I'm doing with Sky at 11.30.

velvet donkey posted:

Yogi19 posted:

velvet donkey posted:

The WHO aren't the be all and end all on this. And they're political - they don't want to tread on toes. That guy Ryan could hardly string a sentence together without umming and awing and plenty emms.

 

Still......

The trouble is, who do we believe and what advice do we follow?
Professor Jonathan Van-Tam (one of England’s Depute Chief Medical Officers) “is an internationally recognised flu, vaccine and respiratory expert. During his 25-year career, he has advised the World Health Organization, the UK Government and The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control on influenza and other respiratory virus infections.”

I’m listening to him because I believe he probably knows what he is talking about...as much as any other “expert” does atm.
So much is unknown, we really are in the dark. 

That is the bottom line Yogi. It is all unknown and who do you believe. Every expert out there is sticking their beak in and there's a lot of conflicting opinion.

 

Still, we get to see inside people's houses and how they live now everything is video linked. Always do it with a shelve load of books you haven't read behind to impress    

 

That's what I'm doing with Sky at 11.30.

 BIB - Exactly, Velvet.

lol It was mentioned on BBC Breakfast that a lot of people seem to be filming themselves in front of shelves of books - do you think they are trying to convince us they are well read?

lol I’ll be sure to watch Sky at 11.30

velvet donkey posted:

Sprout posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

jUST SEEN Johnson SAYING HE'S STILL SELF ISOLATING. 

Looked to me like  he was struggling not to laugh!

Makes a mockery of Hancock being out and on the telly and opening up wards and thingies, doesn't it? hmmm *strokes chin* 

They say you can still be contagious two weeks after you appear to recover   

And it's quite likely/possible that there are loads of contagious people walking around who are completely asymptomatic! Of course that is part of the reason for social distancing.

Sprout posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

jUST SEEN Johnson SAYING HE'S STILL SELF ISOLATING. 

Looked to me like  he was struggling not to laugh!

Makes a mockery of Hancock being out and on the telly and opening up wards and thingies, doesn't it? hmmm *strokes chin* 

Have you not considered he sought medical advice before returning? 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

velvet donkey posted:

Sprout posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

jUST SEEN Johnson SAYING HE'S STILL SELF ISOLATING. 

Looked to me like  he was struggling not to laugh!

Makes a mockery of Hancock being out and on the telly and opening up wards and thingies, doesn't it? hmmm *strokes chin* 

They say you can still be contagious two weeks after you appear to recover   

And it's quite likely/possible that there are loads of contagious people walking around who are completely asymptomatic! Of course that is part of the reason for social distancing.

 Exactly. 

Yogi19 posted:

 

lol It was mentioned on BBC Breakfast that a lot of people seem to be filming themselves in front of shelves of books - do you think they are trying to convince us they are well read?

They were taking the Mickey out of that a bit on "Have I Got News For You" last night. The virtual host, Steph McGovern, noticed that guest Helen Lewis had a copy of her own book "Difficult Women" displayed prominently on the bookshelf behind her.  

Paul Merton appeared to be trying to ring the changes by appearing in front of a massive DVD collection ("His car boot sale business is currently on hold.", as Steph quipped ), but in a way he  was just rather showing off his own sphere of expertise - silent movies (he half-joked about being a world expert on Mary Pickford...)

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

velvet donkey posted:

Sprout posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

jUST SEEN Johnson SAYING HE'S STILL SELF ISOLATING. 

Looked to me like  he was struggling not to laugh!

Makes a mockery of Hancock being out and on the telly and opening up wards and thingies, doesn't it? hmmm *strokes chin* 

They say you can still be contagious two weeks after you appear to recover   

And it's quite likely/possible that there are loads of contagious people walking around who are completely asymptomatic! Of course that is part of the reason for social distancing.

What's a social distance?

$64000 question    

velvet donkey posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

velvet donkey posted:

Sprout posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

jUST SEEN Johnson SAYING HE'S STILL SELF ISOLATING. 

Looked to me like  he was struggling not to laugh!

Makes a mockery of Hancock being out and on the telly and opening up wards and thingies, doesn't it? hmmm *strokes chin* 

They say you can still be contagious two weeks after you appear to recover   

And it's quite likely/possible that there are loads of contagious people walking around who are completely asymptomatic! Of course that is part of the reason for social distancing.

What's a social distance?

 

$64000 question    

Apparently it's slightly longer than a long handled broom.

Yeah. Believe that and you'll believe anything with the unknown...

I'd like to know where the cases and deaths are. Not national or regional - specific. Or is that a hidden secret.

Wisteria Lane, Whatsitshire, a street with 27 residents has had 10 infections and 3 deaths. Meanwhile, round the corner in Maple Drive, a road with 372 residents, 367 infections have been recorded with 300 deaths. (All made up statistics!!!!)

I think even the bunch in charge would be wary of broadcasting statistics THAT specific! 

If you want to know what's going on listen to call ins on the radio.

That's the reality TV news can't cover.

velvet donkey posted:

If you want to know what's going on listen to call ins on the radio.

 

That's the reality TV news can't cover.

Eugene's Lair posted:

Yogi19 posted:

 

lol It was mentioned on BBC Breakfast that a lot of people seem to be filming themselves in front of shelves of books - do you think they are trying to convince us they are well read?

They were taking the Mickey out of that a bit on "Have I Got News For You" last night. The virtual host, Steph McGovern, noticed that guest Helen Lewis had a copy of her own book "Difficult Women" displayed prominently on the bookshelf behind her.  

 

Paul Merton appeared to be trying to ring the changes by appearing in front of a massive DVD collection ("His car boot sale business is currently on hold.", as Steph quipped ), but in a way he  was just rather showing off his own sphere of expertise - silent movies (he half-joked about being a world expert on Mary Pickford...)

God, that episode was painful watching.  Each contrived laughter detracting from the actual humourous impact of the quip.  They tried their best under the circumstances and I suppose you have to give them that, but it was more awkward to watch than laugh at.

Roxan posted:

Is it possible to buy hand sanitizers and disinfectant over there? Here the hospitals are having trouble getting hold of basic supplies. 

Can’t get hand sanitiser gel, unless you want to pay rip off prices online. I managed to get disinfectant okay.

*Breaking News*

Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests under medical advice.

He's still showing "persistent" symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive.

Downing Street are stressing it's not an emergency admission and he remains in charge of the government. It's not clear at the moment if he's staying in hospital overnight, though...

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests under medical advice.

He's still showing "persistent" symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive.

 

Downing Street are stressing it's not an emergency admission and he remains in charge of the government. It's not clear at the moment if he's staying in hospital overnight, though...

He looked unwell when we saw him recently. 

Yogi19 posted:

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests under medical advice.

He's still showing "persistent" symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive.

 

Downing Street are stressing it's not an emergency admission and he remains in charge of the government. It's not clear at the moment if he's staying in hospital overnight, though...

He looked unwell when we saw him recently. 

Yes: he popped outside the door of No. 10 to join in the applause for the NHS on Thursday, but he looked really rough. 

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests under medical advice.

He's still showing "persistent" symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive.

 

Downing Street are stressing it's not an emergency admission and he remains in charge of the government. It's not clear at the moment if he's staying in hospital overnight, though...

Update on the BBC from Laura Kuenssberg:

Johnson will stay in the hospital overnight. He's still leading the government, however Dominic Raab will chair the government coronavirus meeting tomorrow morning.

He shows symptoms after ten days so no one really knows how long it lasts or the incubation time 

Eugene's Lair posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests under medical advice.

He's still showing "persistent" symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive.

 

Downing Street are stressing it's not an emergency admission and he remains in charge of the government. It's not clear at the moment if he's staying in hospital overnight, though...

He looked unwell when we saw him recently. 

Yes: he popped outside the door of No. 10 to join in the applause for the NHS on Thursday, but he looked really rough. 

 He did. I hope he recovers soon.

Yogi I am angry with the government for their handling of this crisis. I'm not political point scoring I'm comparing their strategy with that of South Korea who are the most successful country at dealing with this.They are through it now and for a population of 50 plus million to have a total death toll of 179 is clearly amazing and brilliant.My son is out there and is terrified for the UK as he has seen how slow to react we were, how poor the response has been regarding testing and protecting our frontline staff etc etc I don't want to go into it any more as it's too depressing. They have made a lot of disaterous mistakes. 

I hope you and your family stay safe. I am upset and  angry because I care 

Amythist, my post was a plea - not an accusation - re political point scoring because, sadly, you don’t need to look too hard to find evidence of it. 
As we have seen with Sweden, not every country is following the same strategy to deal with Corona virus but, I’m sure they are all doing what they think and hope is right for their country. 

I know you care - as do I and I’m having sleepless nights with the worry of it alI.
I hope you and your family stay safe too. 

*Breaking News*

Boris Johnson has been moved into intensive care.

He is not on a ventilator, and the line from Downing Street is that it's a precautionary measure in case he has to go onto ventilation. He is still conscious, but his condition has definitely worsened.

Johnson has asked Dominic Raab to deputise "where necessary".

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been moved into intensive care.

He is not on a ventilator, and the line from Downing Street is that it's a precautionary measure in case he has to go onto ventilation. He is still conscious, but his condition has definitely worsened.

 

Johnson has asked Dominic Raab to deputise "where necessary".

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been moved into intensive care.

He is not on a ventilator, and the line from Downing Street is that it's a precautionary measure in case he has to go onto ventilation. He is still conscious, but his condition has definitely worsened.

 

Johnson has asked Dominic Raab to deputise "where necessary".

Eugene's Lair posted:

*Breaking News*

 

Boris Johnson has been moved into intensive care.

He is not on a ventilator, and the line from Downing Street is that it's a precautionary measure in case he has to go onto ventilation. He is still conscious, but his condition has definitely worsened.

 

Johnson has asked Dominic Raab to deputise "where necessary".

.😟

Listening to Jeremy Vine on tv this morning, he was explaining the measures South Korea had taken when someone was identified as being infectious, I don’t think this would have been possible in the uk nor would people accept them

With a total of 5373 and climbing hindsight might not be 20:20 vision.

Hope you and yours are sticking in machel    

You know what. I don't like him, nor his party, nor his principles/politics but I wouldn't wish this on ANYONE! 

Trump's doing a presser on CNN just now.

Forget social distancing on that platform.

When my Mum was in Critical Care i asked what was the difference between Critical Care and Intensive Care.

I was told Critical Care patients are expected to make a recovery.

Intensive Care patients are not always expected to make a recovery.

Scary that Boris has gone straight into Intensive Care

Sprout posted:

You know what. I don't like him, nor his party, nor his principles/politics but I wouldn't wish this on ANYONE! 

Exactly, Sprout.

velvet donkey posted:

Trump's doing a presser on CNN just now.

 

Forget social distancing on that platform.

Although I think his attitude towards the virus has genuinely changed, he still isn't following his own medical advice. 

I can understand Trump not wanting to wear a facemask, but come on: our own government's briefings show that social distancing isn't difficult... 

Saint posted:

When my Mum was in Critical Care i asked what was the difference between Critical Care and Intensive Care.

 

I was told Critical Care patients are expected to make a recovery.

Intensive Care patients are not always expected to make a recovery.

 

Scary that Boris has gone straight into Intensive Care

I think the key is if he is actually put on a ventilator.

The brutal maths of this illness is that the longer you're on one of those, the less likely you are to recover... 

machel posted:

Listening to Jeremy Vine on tv this morning, he was explaining the measures South Korea had taken when someone was identified as being infectious, I don’t think this would have been possible in the uk nor would people accept them

I didn't hear Jeremy Vine Machel but I'm aware of the information app and what it does. I think it must be enormously comforting to know where infected people have been and when the areas have been disinfected. Obviously the widespread and open armed testing facilities are integral to this. The objections were privacy related as people having affairs were outed and anyone being deceptive about their movements could be identified. I think the majority of people would accept that . I certainly would. No one was named but they were given a number 

Eugene's Lair posted:

Saint posted:

When my Mum was in Critical Care i asked what was the difference between Critical Care and Intensive Care.

 

I was told Critical Care patients are expected to make a recovery.

Intensive Care patients are not always expected to make a recovery.

 

Scary that Boris has gone straight into Intensive Care

I think the key is if he is actually put on a ventilator.

 

The brutal maths of this illness is that the longer you're on one of those, the less likely you are to recover... 

velvet donkey posted:

With a total of 5373 and climbing hindsight might not be 20:20 vision.

 

Hope you and yours are sticking in machel    

I had an essential visit to the doctors three weeks ago, not been out otherwise, a touch of cabin fever yesterday. Hope you are keeping well ❤️

Did you all "Clap for Boris" ?