yes mario,dave and rachel did keep on at ben squiggle.......but were you saying then that they were 'shaking him up' etc.....no of course not....it was all 'poor ben' etc...i did think some of the things dished out to ben were completely uncalled for.......some of it .....like his laziness were justified.........



last night it was shown on the h/l's dave telling john james to 'go away' and giving him what for for trying to pick an arguement......now cos it's dave it's hardly mentioned......dave isn't liked on here.......had sam said it he'd of been wildly praised for it......(i think dave was spot on btw)

i don't like john james as a h/m.....i think some of the things he's said and done have been nasty and unneccesary......again i use his treatment of rachel (the first one) as an example......he was torn apart for that on here.....so why isn't sam?.....again it's cos he's mouthing off at the least popular ppl on here.........john james was telling rachel(the second one) that 'you've had a good run' when she was put up for eviction......again he was called out for it on here for being arrogant and nasty and rude.........why is it ok for sam to be these things but not someone else?

This is my point Spongey!
It's getting to the stage that I am now wanting Josie to win... if nothing else but to shut that little twat up

issy xx...........i just can't see how you can vilify one person for doing something.......and praise someone else for doing the same thing!

oh and just as a footnote.......i thought sam was spot on calling john james out for walking out on the task and not trying.....i agree with him on that point.......same as i agree with the one's who had a go at ben for being lazy and not trying in the tasks......

what i don't agree with is slating someone for being nasty....ie:john james....then praising someone else....sam.......for doing exactly the same

Exactly.
Sam has said some very pertinent things in there but the insults and spiteful remarks have marred the good he has done.

For me, it's about intent.  When John James does it, it's spiteful and malicious.  When Sam does it, it's a wind up. 

Josie gives it right back - "go play with some traffic", putting the foul stuff on his toothbrush,  following him into the garden and goading him, etc.

i think telling dave his 'family have disowned him' is spiteful and malicious tbh.....i can't think of anyone who'd think 'oh that's hilarious'......that is just pure spite to me

that is disgraceful

I bet his mum and dad are so proud of him

so.......josie 'goads' sam..but sam is just being 'funny and doing it for a laugh'.............surely sam is goading josie too?............is goading even a word?!

I've not seen that but was it said as a joke?  I say things like that to my son all the time, that I have disowned him.  Just the other night, my husband and I were watching a funeral on TV and he made a comment on the flowers that  said Mum.  I told him not to worry, for his funeral I was going to have one that said "Barsteward" (only the right one).  Did I mean it?  Nah, it was a joke, a throwaway comment.

Agreed Suzi, I've said the same thing on another thread. I don't see Sam as malicious or really spiteful, he is just a total WUM.

can't quote you suzi.....bloody forum playing up!!!

sam and dave were having words.....and that's when sam said it....in the example you gave it's obvious it's a lighthearted throwaway comment.......in an arguement i think it takes on a different context

I think so too. I agree it may have planted seeds of doubt especially as Dave was so concerned that his messages from home seemed a bit flat.

It was a nasty thing to say. Sam is a nasty individual IMO. Not really getting his entertainment value.

He's not the BB messiah, hes a very naughty boy!

It also occurs to me that BB might be scripting him to some extent. Remember the interesting LF convo between Siavash and Sophie last year that revealed that BB do indeed suggest courses of action to various HMS?

I can't explain the appeal of Sam to you spongey.  All I can say is go and read some of the reasons why others like Sam, the fact he has shaken up a house that badly needed shaking.

i don't think so...she was all mouth  and relied on people being too scared of her tantrums to get by.  Sam would wipe the floor with her.

Sam is an arse, but he's not as big a one as Scabby was, at least he's got guts to say stuff straight to people's face

Me too Stonks

squiggle.....i have read them.........and all i see is..'he's shaking the house up'.....and 'i'm glad he's telling team smug this and that'.........i don't recall any posts saying 'sam's a nice lad....just what the house needed,he says things that need to be said but in a nice manner'......

for me..insulting ppl isn't shaking the house up.......it's just plain rude and nasty......'shaking up team smug' proves my point......it's because he's having a go at josie....and to an extent john james and dave that ppl like him......if he was doing it to corin it'd be a different kettle of fish altogether

i think him calling john james out over his lack of effort in the task was 'shaking it up'.....jj looked shocked someone spoke to him in that way.....and i agreed with sam on that.......just going around telling ppl they're fat or slags or their family have disowned them for me isn't shaking anything up.....it's just rude and pointless......and says far more about sam than it does the ppl he's insulting

Everything what da spongey said!

Yes, he spent thee days in lockdown, with Josie, and yes, she knew exactly how insulting he can be, and he knew that she didn't like his behaviour, before he went in. Therefore, there was 'history'.

She's been told by BB not to mention his insults to another auditionee, who had lost a leg to cancer and was asked by him why she bothered getting dressed up and wearing make-up.

Was that a joke, a wind-up, shaking up her world, or just a nasty bloke with no empathy, trying to make people angry or sad?

and why can't i quote anyone?!!....and why am i sat here when i should be going to the gym?!.......chat later xx........

The thing is with JJ he bitches for days and days about his next target behind their backs before he pounces....Josie has every right to defend herself against Sam,we all would off course, but just do it,stop doing what she done with Caoimhe,drip drip drip to the other HM's ensuring./ hoping the gang mentality would kick in...We've saw Josie go on for almost a week about Sam,and rightly so ,yet in the next breath it's she don't want to talk about it,takes a breath and off again.

Spot on Lee

Sam is an obnoxious little twerp, but he's made me laugh once or twice while he's been in the house. I reckon he'll be up and out as soon as the public and the HMs can get him through the door, so he's not really worth bothering about

Yep.... it's great... I don't have to bother typing.   She's on a roll and she's saying everything I think.  Cheers, Spongey!

Spongey FTW!

Why is it ok for Sam to insult Josie but wrong for Josie to retaliate or stand up for herself?

It's perfectly ok for her to retaliate,that goes without saying imo...Let her retaliate to his face,say all she has to say and stop going to other HM's drip drip drip about him...I think that's where they differ,he says it to her not to others about her,she should do likewise and put him in his place herself.

He says it to her face, because he gets a kick out of making people feel bad about themselves, or just making people angry.

She repeats what he's said about her and others, as she is angry and upset by it.

I agree with Sponge, well said some may think he's funny I think he's nasty and spiteful

And she isn't a bit behind the door being nasty about him,to the others...She'd be better saying it ALL to his face,she's quite capable of that.

She does say it all to his face.

Why should she be expected to forget about it all, when he isn't in her presence?

He's a brat that needs to learn some manners.  Which of us wouldn't be angry and talk about what he says?  I just can't understand why Josie is the only one taking the flack for this when they are all complaining about him.

Does she?....I see her saying things to him in a joking way mainly,she doesn't have the same smiling joking approach when she's talking about him to the others,then she comes across as serious.

I can't see that at all Lee.  She does jibe him sometimes but more often than not tells him to go and take a hike.

yay spongey  Every one of your posts honest and spot on

Josie for the win

Marge!

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she tells him all the time to eff off she dont like him, if thats not being honest then maybe should could start her own whisper club