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Originally posted by greenandpink:

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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
I did not believe those tears for a moment (of happines for Rodders). She has carved a role for herself in the house as the caring one, but she is just an attention seeker.
I mean! She offered lentils to Issak when he was waiting for the DR door to open.

Her voice is annoyingly shouty
Her exercises for wimps, by wimps is even more annoying.

Hope she is out on Friday.

Hira out!

You can't fake real tears - well actors can but only by having something put in their eyes so that when they blink it produces tears.

She's a genuinely nice person, there are some people like that in real life you know. If she's an attention seeker she's not done anything for BB to notice as we've only seen her in the last few days

Real tears, fake emotion.
Everyone can cry if you think of something sad and personal.

Exactly, all BB asked of her was that she cried, and she did

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Originally posted by greenandpink:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
The fact that she stuck to the task for five and a half hours, sticking rigidly to BB's rules, was pretty damned impressive, IMO!

She is a determined lady and no mistake!

Plus, she may sort the terrorists out next!

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
What was the fan dance about anyway? Did I miss something? Was it part of the task?

Not exactly. The whole task was based around the early parts of "Alice in Wonderland" where Alice keeps changing size. In the book, she grows big from eating the cake, then causes a flood by crying. This frightens the White Rabbit, who drops his gloves and fan. When Alice uses the fan, she shrinks, and ends-up swimming through her own tears.

The crying was part of the task, but the fan wasn't - BB just added it for effect and to "tidy-up" the storyline with the "large" Hira/Alice returning to normal size.

I reckon the drink she had had LSD in it.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Aww, she's lovely!

The fact that she stuck to the task for five and a half hours, sticking rigidly to BB's rules, was pretty damned impressive, IMO!

I certainly couldn't have done it and I wonder how many other HM's could have. She could have given up and just hoped the others got through their tasks.

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Originally posted by Eugene's Lair:

Not exactly. The whole task was based around the early parts of "Alice in Wonderland" where Alice keeps changing size. In the book, she grows big from eating the cake, then causes a flood by crying. This frightens the White Rabbit, who drops his gloves and fan. When Alice uses the fan, she shrinks, and ends-up swimming through her own tears.

The crying was part of the task, but the fan wasn't - BB just added it for effect and to "tidy-up" the storyline with the "large" Hira/Alice returning to normal size.

I think she thought that she had to keep fanning, until BB told her to stop!

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by greenandpink:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
The fact that she stuck to the task for five and a half hours, sticking rigidly to BB's rules, was pretty damned impressive, IMO!

She is a determined lady and no mistake!

Plus, she may sort the terrorists out next!

I'm surprised Marcus hasn't

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I reckon the drink she had had LSD in it.

Actually - the drink was the part of the task I didn't understand. I mean, I understood the symbolism - in the book the bottle "labelled `DRINK ME` causes Alice to shrink - but I didn't understand why it was the first part (of three) of her task. Were the contents unpleasant? If so, neither Hira or BB let on...

Sorry Yellow Rose... but you say people can't cry on demand unless they're actors. Good actors can do it without the gel products, or whatever they are. She was therefore acting? So when she cried at Rod's letter to the Queen could it not have been the same thing?
As regards the attention seeking issues... she hasn't been given the airtime... it doesn't mean she hasn't been trying to get attention IMO.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Eugene's Lair:

Not exactly. The whole task was based around the early parts of "Alice in Wonderland" where Alice keeps changing size. In the book, she grows big from eating the cake, then causes a flood by crying. This frightens the White Rabbit, who drops his gloves and fan. When Alice uses the fan, she shrinks, and ends-up swimming through her own tears.

The crying was part of the task, but the fan wasn't - BB just added it for effect and to "tidy-up" the storyline with the "large" Hira/Alice returning to normal size.

I think she thought that she had to keep fanning, until BB told her to stop!

Definitely. Although it wasn't part of the task, Hira thought it was.

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:
Sorry Yellow Rose... but you say people can't cry on demand unless they're actors. Good actors can do it without the gel products, or whatever they are. She was therefore acting? So when she cried at Rod's letter to the Queen could it not have been the same thing?
As regards the attention seeking issues... she hasn't been given the airtime... it doesn't mean she hasn't been trying to get attention IMO.

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Originally posted by Eugene's Lair:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I reckon the drink she had had LSD in it.

Actually - the drink was the part of the task I didn't understand. I mean, I understood the symbolism - in the book the bottle "labelled `DRINK ME` causes Alice to shrink - but I didn't understand why it was the first part (of three) of her task. Were the contents unpleasant? If so, neither Hira or BB let on...

I suppose she had to shrink to get the big cake.

She downed it no problem, so it must have been fairly innocuous.

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:
Sorry Yellow Rose... but you say people can't cry on demand unless they're actors. Good actors can do it without the gel products, or whatever they are. She was therefore acting? So when she cried at Rod's letter to the Queen could it not have been the same thing?
As regards the attention seeking issues... she hasn't been given the airtime... it doesn't mean she hasn't been trying to get attention IMO.

I agree not all actors may need the substance that can be used if necessary. I can cry when I think of certain things and I'm sure everyone can. Whether it was the music/story, or she started thinking about something/someone it produced what BB asked of her.

As we've not seen her doing anything to get attention I don't think we should assume she has. BB know who and what situations to show us that they think will give interest to the show, usually it's the argumentative ones.

She seems a genuine and nice girl to me.

We have to trust someone as we always think the HM's are playing games.

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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:
Sorry Yellow Rose... but you say people can't cry on demand unless they're actors. Good actors can do it without the gel products, or whatever they are. She was therefore acting? So when she cried at Rod's letter to the Queen could it not have been the same thing?
As regards the attention seeking issues... she hasn't been given the airtime... it doesn't mean she hasn't been trying to get attention IMO.

I agree not all actors may need the substance that can be used if necessary. I can cry when I think of certain things and I'm sure everyone can. Whether it was the music/story, or she started thinking about something/someone it produced what BB asked of her.

As we've not seen her doing anything to get attention I don't think we should assume she has. BB know who and what situations to show us that they think will give interest to the show, usually it's the argumentative ones.

Fair enough, but all I'm saying, is could you do that on demand like she did... and then laugh and smile as soon as BB said she'd passed the task? It just smacked of fakery to me, that's all.

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:

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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:
Sorry Yellow Rose... but you say people can't cry on demand unless they're actors. Good actors can do it without the gel products, or whatever they are. She was therefore acting? So when she cried at Rod's letter to the Queen could it not have been the same thing?
As regards the attention seeking issues... she hasn't been given the airtime... it doesn't mean she hasn't been trying to get attention IMO.

I agree not all actors may need the substance that can be used if necessary. I can cry when I think of certain things and I'm sure everyone can. Whether it was the music/story, or she started thinking about something/someone it produced what BB asked of her.

As we've not seen her doing anything to get attention I don't think we should assume she has. BB know who and what situations to show us that they think will give interest to the show, usually it's the argumentative ones.

Fair enough, but all I'm saying, is could you do that on demand like she did... and then laugh and smile as soon as BB said she'd passed the task? It just smacked of fakery to me, that's all.

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:

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Originally posted by Yellow Rose:

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:
Sorry Yellow Rose... but you say people can't cry on demand unless they're actors. Good actors can do it without the gel products, or whatever they are. She was therefore acting? So when she cried at Rod's letter to the Queen could it not have been the same thing?
As regards the attention seeking issues... she hasn't been given the airtime... it doesn't mean she hasn't been trying to get attention IMO.

I agree not all actors may need the substance that can be used if necessary. I can cry when I think of certain things and I'm sure everyone can. Whether it was the music/story, or she started thinking about something/someone it produced what BB asked of her.

As we've not seen her doing anything to get attention I don't think we should assume she has. BB know who and what situations to show us that they think will give interest to the show, usually it's the argumentative ones.

Fair enough, but all I'm saying, is could you do that on demand like she did... and then laugh and smile as soon as BB said she'd passed the task? It just smacked of fakery to me, that's all.

I think we saw an edited version as I don't remember hearing the end of the story BB were telling her about the little girl, so I think it was a gradual process of either that or her own thoughts that led to tears. Personally the music alone would have done it for me as I've heard it many times over the years and it always makes me tearful as I remember the occasion of the first time I heard it - but that's just me lol.

I think after 5 hours of that awful task the relief of being told she'd passed would make her laugh with relief it was over lol.

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Originally posted by Xochiquetzal:
Fair enough, but all I'm saying, is could you do that on demand like she did... and then laugh and smile as soon as BB said she'd passed the task? It just smacked of fakery to me, that's all.

Oh joy - another "fake" debate.

If watching BB for all these years has taught us anything, it should be that we're all different and several people can all behave in completely different ways when faced with the same situation.
Just because someone doesn't behave in the same way you or I would doesn't make them "fake".

If you can find evidence that Hira's a trained actress, then you may have a point. Until then, I'm going to stick to good ol' Occam's Razor, and assume she's just a nice, sensitive person...

Hira always tries really hard in the tasks

This time she excelled herself.

After five hours part submerged in a giant cupcake one might well fel a tad tearful. Specially if one was a girl who likes to look nicely turned out. How did she manage to guzzle all that cake and not emerge looking like some sort of frosting monster? The girl's brilliant and a great team player. Hira must stay

It cannot be disputed that Hira worked hard at the task, and did very well indeed. She is very determined. The same determination with which she must have learned those poxey exercise routines for the show and the way she muscled in and took the role of Alice. Nothing wrong with muscling in, but she is not the nicey, nicey person she makes out t be.

I find her deeply un-likeable. Obviously I am in a minority. She is too grabby and desperate for attention IMO, and has none of the genuine charm and 'niceness' of Freddie or Shiavas. She is out to make an impression and has done her homework. And it shows.

Far from being a team player, she is out there on her own, grabbing attention, despite being a dullard. Hira must go!!

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
It cannot be disputed that Hira worked hard at the task, and did very well indeed. She is very determined. The same determination with which she must have learned those poxey exercise routines for the show and the way she muscled in and took the role of Alice. Nothing wrong with muscling in, but she is not the nicey, nicey person she makes out t be.

If you watch the task announcement clip again, you'll see that it was Bea who tried to "muscle-in" - she asked to be Alice before Rodrigo had even listed the roles! Hira's point was that Bea had got to be Aphrodite, and it would be a good idea if someone-else got a chance (essentially the point Dave made during the entertainment task). Hardly unreasonable, is it?

She's not my favourite HM, but she seems harmless enough and quite funny.

I think she did excellent in her task and well done to her.

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Originally posted by Eugene's Lair:

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
It cannot be disputed that Hira worked hard at the task, and did very well indeed. She is very determined. The same determination with which she must have learned those poxey exercise routines for the show and the way she muscled in and took the role of Alice. Nothing wrong with muscling in, but she is not the nicey, nicey person she makes out t be.

If you watch the task announcement clip again, you'll see that it was Bea who tried to "muscle-in" - she asked to be Alice before Rodrigo had even listed the roles! Hira's point was that Bea had got to be Aphrodite, and it would be a good idea if someone-else got a chance (essentially the point Dave made during the entertainment task). Hardly unreasonable, is it?

Yes, Bea piped up that she wanted the Alice role even as Rodders was reading the laminate. But Hira pushed Bea aside expertly, saying that she "let" Bea have the love God role. There is nothing wrong in Hira wanting to take centre stage and wanting the fun of playing Alice.

IMO Hira is as hard as nails and not this lovely meek, 'good hearted' person that she wants everybody to believe. She is as fame hungry and as ambitious, back-stabby even as the others, if not more. She hides it is all.

I'm pretty sure if we had 24 hour streaming we would have a different opinion of her.
I thought her tears were genuine, I think she is sweet, but not great tv.

She certainly dealt with Bea brilliantly.
She speaks her mind and has an inner strength, whilst never resorting to the childish or bitchy behaviour we've seen from the others.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
She certainly dealt with Bea brilliantly.
She speaks her mind and has an inner strength, whilst never resorting to the childish or bitchy behaviour we've seen from the others.

Each t their own. I prefer open bithchiness to the sly 'I'm so sweet, and good' stuff the Hira peddles. Hira, I suspect, is too selfish and too self assured to be bitchy.

I like Hira, and I feel she is a genuine decent young woman, who puts most of the desperados to shame.

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
Each t their own. I prefer open bithchiness to the sly 'I'm so sweet, and good' stuff the Hira peddles. Hira, I suspect, is too selfish and too self assured to be bitchy.

Or, maybe she's just sweet and good and can speak her mind without causing upset?

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Originally posted by greenandpink:
I never said she was nasty. Just fake...and annoying..

Annoying is completely subjective.

To me, annoying housemates are the nasty housemates.

Bump!!