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Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

Give her credit... she played an absolute blinder then.

 

 

Played it all up as his best pal, then went into the DR and said she was scared. Managed to eliminate a HM all by herself.

He needed to go for that behaviour, end of, irrespective of how she responded 

I agree... I would go as far to say he shouldn't have been in there in the first place. He was always moody and effing this and effing that whenever he was on my TV. He comes across as a nutter.

 

Still doesn't change the fact though that she milked it. She continued to smirk and play jokes during the incident. They're both absolute morons.

MrMincePie
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Supes:
 

You know I don't bloody care whether she actually looked scared or not, his behaviour got seriously scary and intimidating, full stop. Her behaviour, although not okay, was never scary to him. It was a fun fight with a fair bit of sexual tension chucked in, which got waaaaay out of hand and he ended it by letting her know big style who was in charge in any 'fun fight' stakes. Couple that with what we saw on lf the other night with him in her face telling her when she should and shouldn't wear make up, when he wanted her to .... Holy f'in christ

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that supes - we're just saying there are more factors and she's not as innocent in it all as might be made out.

I know Kaffs, but as we all well know, victims of abuse aren't always shrinking violets...tbh I'm a bit shocked at some of the stuff I'm reading on here tonight, when it was Nigella, for example, no-one seemed to have any doubts

You're comparing Nigella with Hazel?

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Supes:
 

You know I don't bloody care whether she actually looked scared or not, his behaviour got seriously scary and intimidating, full stop. Her behaviour, although not okay, was never scary to him. It was a fun fight with a fair bit of sexual tension chucked in, which got waaaaay out of hand and he ended it by letting her know big style who was in charge in any 'fun fight' stakes. Couple that with what we saw on lf the other night with him in her face telling her when she should and shouldn't wear make up, when he wanted her to .... Holy f'in christ

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that supes - we're just saying there are more factors and she's not as innocent in it all as might be made out.

I know Kaffs, but as we all well know, victims of abuse aren't always shrinking violets...tbh I'm a bit shocked at some of the stuff I'm reading on here tonight, when it was Nigella, for example, no-one seemed to have any doubts

Obviously nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors etc - but Hazel wasn't reduced to tears, she didn't (imo) look afraid or uncomfortable until after the event.  There's also the fact that she's known the neaderthal for two minutes - she's not been married to him for years so I don't buy that he's worn her down emotionally. 

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Supes:

 

I know Kaffs, but as we all well know, victims of abuse aren't always shrinking violets...tbh I'm a bit shocked at some of the stuff I'm reading on here tonight, when it was Nigella, for example, no-one seemed to have any doubts

I've shocked myself TBH Supes. I just think it's not one rule suits all. No excuse for violence ............no excuse for her behaviour either.

 

Things can and do get out of hand for all sorts of reasons and although I'll not excuse his behaviour neither will I show any fake sympathy for that brazen hussy.

Soozy Woo
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by Baz:
I wasn't getting at anyone Soozy ....but I'm sorry , I can't find any excuse for his actions , no matter what she did ....cos if we make excuses for it , however tenuous , we are on very, very sticky road .. Just my opinion

I know you weren't Baz - I just don't see it as black and white. 

 

Violence to women is always unacceptable - I'm not excusing his behaviour in any way - I'm also not gonna excuse hers - she has behaved abysmally.

 

But ......if we're drawing lines on what we accept and what we don't - shouldn't no always mean no? I do believe he tried to put distance between them - he did try - it may have looked half hearted because I think he didn't want to look stupid in trying to repel a beautiful woman and her advances. She has been very sexually aggressive IMO - she has been playing a dangerous game.

Soozy, he started it, he repeatedly denied his gf for it, he told her that he needed to wear different undies for it...yeah, she teased him relentlessly, but bloody hell he's hardly an innocent

FM

Supes, can I just clarify that I have never said that Daley's behaviour was excusable or that he didn't deserve to be thrown out.

However, I also think that Hazel's behaviour was out of order, both last night and during the past two weeks. In fact, I believe if a male HM had behaved towards a female HM the way Hazel did with Daley, he would have been warned about sexual harassment. 

My disapproval of Hazel's behaviour, in no way, negates my disapproval of Daley's.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Supes, can I just clarify that I have never said that Daley's behaviour was excusable or that he didn't deserve to be thrown out.

However, I also think that Hazel's behaviour was out of order, both last night and during the past two weeks. In fact, I believe if a male HM had behaved towards a female HM the way Hazel did with Daley, he would have been warned about sexual harassment. 

My disapproval of Hazel's behaviour, in no way, negates my disapproval of Daley's.

Same Yogi

Bethni
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Supes, can I just clarify that I have never said that Daley's behaviour was excusable or that he didn't deserve to be thrown out.

However, I also think that Hazel's behaviour was out of order, both last night and during the past two weeks. In fact, I believe if a male HM had behaved towards a female HM the way Hazel did with Daley, he would have been warned about sexual harassment. 

My disapproval of Hazel's behaviour, in no way, negates my disapproval of Daley's.

People on here and twitter seems to fail to grasp this part.

MrMincePie
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Supes, can I just clarify that I have never said that Daley's behaviour was excusable or that he didn't deserve to be thrown out.

However, I also think that Hazel's behaviour was out of order, both last night and during the past two weeks. In fact, I believe if a male HM had behaved towards a female HM the way Hazel did with Daley, he would have been warned about sexual harassment. 

My disapproval of Hazel's behaviour, in no way, negates my disapproval of Daley's.

Beautifully explained, Yogi

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

F*ck it, bring Sandy back.

 

 

This series is crying out for bin pissers.

Quite an exit   

 

Fifers in the Army eh..

 I used to watch him jog round that tiny pool every morning on LF.

He was bona fide no nonsense Yogi  

FM
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Supes:
 

You know I don't bloody care whether she actually looked scared or not, his behaviour got seriously scary and intimidating, full stop. Her behaviour, although not okay, was never scary to him. It was a fun fight with a fair bit of sexual tension chucked in, which got waaaaay out of hand and he ended it by letting her know big style who was in charge in any 'fun fight' stakes. Couple that with what we saw on lf the other night with him in her face telling her when she should and shouldn't wear make up, when he wanted her to .... Holy f'in christ

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that supes - we're just saying there are more factors and she's not as innocent in it all as might be made out.

I know Kaffs, but as we all well know, victims of abuse aren't always shrinking violets...tbh I'm a bit shocked at some of the stuff I'm reading on here tonight, when it was Nigella, for example, no-one seemed to have any doubts

You're comparing Nigella with Hazel?

Yes, in terms of the 'stills' we saw... didn't her fella try to minimise and justify it too, suggest it wasn't as it looked? I don't care what either of them did to 'wind them up' in their eyes.....not acceptable, full stop, imo

FM
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

F*ck it, bring Sandy back.

 

 

This series is crying out for bin pissers.

Quite an exit   

 

Fifers in the Army eh..

 I used to watch him jog round that tiny pool every morning on LF.

He was bona fide no nonsense Yogi  

He was indeed.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Supes:
 

You know I don't bloody care whether she actually looked scared or not, his behaviour got seriously scary and intimidating, full stop. Her behaviour, although not okay, was never scary to him. It was a fun fight with a fair bit of sexual tension chucked in, which got waaaaay out of hand and he ended it by letting her know big style who was in charge in any 'fun fight' stakes. Couple that with what we saw on lf the other night with him in her face telling her when she should and shouldn't wear make up, when he wanted her to .... Holy f'in christ

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that supes - we're just saying there are more factors and she's not as innocent in it all as might be made out.

I know Kaffs, but as we all well know, victims of abuse aren't always shrinking violets...tbh I'm a bit shocked at some of the stuff I'm reading on here tonight, when it was Nigella, for example, no-one seemed to have any doubts

You're comparing Nigella with Hazel?

Yes, in terms of the 'stills' we saw... didn't her fella try to minimise and justify it too, suggest it wasn't as it looked? I don't care what either of them did to 'wind them up' in their eyes.....not acceptable, full stop, imo

But I don't see anyone saying that Daley's behaviour was acceptable.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Bethni:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Supes, can I just clarify that I have never said that Daley's behaviour was excusable or that he didn't deserve to be thrown out.

However, I also think that Hazel's behaviour was out of order, both last night and during the past two weeks. In fact, I believe if a male HM had behaved towards a female HM the way Hazel did with Daley, he would have been warned about sexual harassment. 

My disapproval of Hazel's behaviour, in no way, negates my disapproval of Daley's.

Same Yogi

Yep - thanks Yogi.

Kaffs
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Bethni:
Originally Posted by Yogi19:

Supes, can I just clarify that I have never said that Daley's behaviour was excusable or that he didn't deserve to be thrown out.

However, I also think that Hazel's behaviour was out of order, both last night and during the past two weeks. In fact, I believe if a male HM had behaved towards a female HM the way Hazel did with Daley, he would have been warned about sexual harassment. 

My disapproval of Hazel's behaviour, in no way, negates my disapproval of Daley's.

Same Yogi

Yep - thanks Yogi.

Yogi19

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