Oh Prom I'm disappointed by these views.

My thoughts on it all? He's a big bully of sorts, the people have had enough and are trying to stand up to him and he's just stamping on them harder for it...... Theres no way the rest of the world could stand by and just watch that happen for any longer than it already has.

Libya is no threat to this country and the foreign policy is moral hypocrisy.  I thought we were broke and that 'NuLab had spent all the money' © The Conservative Party.  Funny how there's always money to play global selective police man.

A year ago we were being told how much Libya had reformed.

Let's hope all the stuff we flogged them was seconds.

Doubt it though.

Feckin foreign policy madness.

1. The UK, the US and France have begun attacking Libya to enforceme a UN-mandated no-fly zone
2. More than 110 missiles have been fired by the UK and US, the Pentagon says
3. UK Prime Minister David Cameron says launching military action against Libya is "necessary, legal and right"
4. French aircraft are preventing forces loyal to Libyan leader Col Gaddafi from attacking the rebel-held city of Benghazi, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says after a meeting of world leaders in Paris
5. Libyan state TV Al-Jamahiriyah claims civilian targets in Tripoli have been bombed by aircraft of the "crusader enemy"
6. Earlier, Pro-Gaddafi forces launched an assault on Benghazi, a BBC journalist witnessed. A jet appears to have been shot down over the city

I think I might have agreed to some intervention a week or so ago, but now we are just making people's lives harder. How can you possibly distinguish between the rebels and Gadaffi's crowd?

UK Prime Minister David Cameron says launching military action against Libya is "necessary, legal and right"

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I don't know why Cameron has emphasised 'legal', when he voted for the Iraq war knowing it wasn't legal. 

As for the 'legality' of this, hopefully someone more knowledgeable in these matters than I could explain why regime change was not sanctioned by the UN for Saddam (who gassed his own people) but is perfectly ok for Col Gaddafi.

It seems the west wants to do a smash and grab and leave a power vacuum for the next despot to exploit, ideally, a pro-west despot.

I don't think he wants to be in the same position as Tony Blair, having to defend himself to an inquiry. The Iraq war was started on a UN resolution too. Nobody seems to remember that now.

Simple the people the big shiney planes are bombing probably arent the Gaddafi lot

I'm not sure. The plane that was brought down earlier today doesn't seem to have been identified as Gadaffi's, the rebels or an outside one. (I have not watched the news for a few hours, Rugby )

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I don't think he wants to be in the same position as Tony Blair, having to defend himself to an inquiry. The Iraq war was started on a UN resolution too. Nobody seems to remember that now.

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I'm sure he doesn't Cologne.  But I find it odd that Cameron chooses to emphasise 'legal' when he voted for the illegal war.  I'm sure he said pretty much the same thing after voting in favour of the Iraq war.

The UN resolution on WMDs was said to have been breached by Iraq.  That supposed breach was used to justify invasion - although the weapons inspectors concluded that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Apparently they are targetting anti-aircraft military installations. They say no civilians will be hurt. They always say that, and they're always wrong.

Go sort em out Prom 
Tell how they are doing it wrong - again 

Carnelian, I think the Iraq war will always be something in the mists of time. I seem to remember 17 UN resolutions on the subject of Iraq and the MI5 gave some overblown information, which is the only thing politicians can go on and ergo they all voted for the war.

I'm on the case, I'm right the hell on it *waves fist angrily* 

That should do it 
Don't want to come on too strong - don't want Cleggy having kittens 

Oh ffs which is it? We've had weeks of Gaddafi.insisting the rebels are al-Qaida led now he's using an inflammatory term which effectively makes him swap sides.

According to the Gaddafi lot, the Zionists, Al Qaeda and the Crusaders have all teamed up. 

Can we really believe anything he says though Cariad?

I hope Lionel Richie sues him. 

A Lybian who had been thrown out of Lybia in the late 70s came onto the news today and said: ' Don't listen to what you hear, don't believe what you see, just listen to what I say. That is what Gaddafi relies on. He's off his head and I hope it's the end of his terror reign.

Course not - he's barking.  
I was just hoping for some sort of delusional consistency.

It's so bloody annoying when these Despots go off on a tangent isn't it - No chuffin consideration for anyone else - 

It's plain rude is what it is slim. 

I see the point as long as it remains a no fly zone and containing the air strikes, however it is a bit odd there is never any action against mugabe, but then again i suppose as zimbabwe has no oil it i understandable.....

Hey hon. 
Understandable but morally indefensible.Let's hope someone finds diamonds or gold there soon eh? Oh yeah...I forgot, we Brits cleaned the place out when it was Rhodesia.

All politicians are the same, and well a good war deflects away from the cuts and the economy, although well people are more aware these days, morals are one of those things, the thing with Libya is that we seems so far to be waiting for the UN to say something definative...


The British do seem to have a lot to answer for in terms of despots and supporting them (officially or not), until they go ferral...

That's what I was saying earlier and now I am the mortal enemy of all that is good and correct in this world. Apparently. We are as transparently selective in our outrage as the yanks.

I thought you were saying that the Libyian people didn't deserve any help, as they were 'lower down the evolutionary scale' than us. 

Or, are you saying the same is true of Zimbaweans?

If you want to tell me the Libyans are civilised and culturally and even psychologically evolved to the extent we are we'll just have to agree to disagree. There are reasons a completely deluded clinically insane dictator can take control of a whole country. If you want to know what they are, look at its civilians. 

I know this is going to get me into trouble again but I don't really care. The only way to help that country is to rebuild it with a conventional morally upstanding philosophy and that's never going to happen least of all with our help when we have Cameron and Clegg at the helm who couldn't give a flying who dies where as long as their caviar is served on time when they come to work. The blind are leading the blind.

Gadaffi goes. Who next in his place? Painfully predictable imo.

http://ntclibya.org/english/


"In this important historical juncture which Libya is passing through right now, we find ourselves at a turning point with only two solutions. Either we achieve freedom and race to catch up with humanity and world developments, or we are shackled and enslaved under the feet of the tyrant Mu’ammar Gaddafi where we shall live in the midst of history."

" The aim of the Transitional National Council is to steer Libya during the interim period that will come after its complete liberation and the destruction of Gaddafi’s oppressive regime. It will guide the country to free elections and the establishment of a constitution for Libya."

We'd all love to see that happen wouldn't we? I won't be holding my breath.

News that the Arab League has said though it asked for a no fly zone, it didn't want military intervention..

which is a bit odd, surely enforcing a no- fly zone is military intervention?

He might be mad (and I think he is), but he knows how to use propaganda. We think we know it all, but our values are not appreciated by other people. I don't agree with you Prom because all folks are worth having help whatever their believes may be, but I agree that there might not be a natural solution to the problems in Libya because of inherent values.

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