So as you both see it Hazel is responsible for Daley becoming violent – not Daley himself?

 

I must admit that I hadn’t really looked at it that way.

I think that's true Baz - I also have a big problem with that.  However, I still truly believe she should have been kicked out for sexual harassment.

I think she's responsible for winding him up by belittling him and humiliating him I do NOT think she's responsible for him being violent, that's all down to him.   Nothing in the world is black and white - I'm merely pointing out that she didn't help the situation and even without what happened last night.   If a person says 'don't touch me' and the other person wraps their legs around their waist.. that's a no no in my opinion.

I agree she did goad him on that night in question but there was absolutely no excuse for his behaviour as far as telling her "he would finish her" and even moreso, his hand around her throat. I find that completely unacceptable under any circumstances. I also find it quite disturbing that so many people seem to: not see what Daley did, as wrong / think Hazel was to blame, aswell.

 

He was drunk ..... tensions were running high ...... she did goad him by sitting on his cover ..... but there was alsolutely no excuse for the hand around her neck and the way he spoke to her at that time. That bloke has serious issues .... and when he was confronted about what he had done, he showed no remorse whatsoever, which makes it even worse. Then, to top it all off, he immediately bad mouths Hazel ..... Despicable!

What are you laughing at?  You need to respect your elders.  

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I suppose you are one of those people who think Charles Saatchi was just having a lovers tiff at a resturant

 

I must have been watching different footage to you.

It's pretty rubbish to say she' sexually provoked him' to a point where he couldn't control himself.

 

I think ,given that he was trying to go to sleep and was the bit worse for wear, he was the one who remained un- provoked in the face  of being woken up, having his duvet whipped off him, being straddled by  her and having his pants pulled down.

 

That's a non argument and deflection.

I think you might be right Toffeekins 

It's because I thought exactly the same thing.

This is pre-play when Charlie and Hazel were chatting and Daley came out, demanding Hazel came into the SF, and lies to her saying BB told her to go into the SH... on his child's life it was true! 

 

http://vimeo.com/70328579

My main concern is that up until the point when Daley pins Hazel to the bed and threatens her they both have options – such as walking away – Hazel has her options removed via physical aggression (not to mention the verbal attack also).

 

For the physical aspect alone I think the severer punishment for Daley was correct.

Loose morals versus the sort of anger Daley exhibited ...no contest in my book .....

Violence trumps what Hazel did any time Baz. 

That's not it Baz.

 

If that's all it was of course I would agree.

But strip away all the side issues JB and that IS what it boils down to . She * teased* him, he got very angry ...and the suggestion seems to be that she was as bad as him . I just don't see it, and like I said earlier , if we start thinking like that where do we draw the line .....

My goodness i'm struggling to watch all of this...

I don't think he was very angry.

 

 

Lol. I wouldn't want to see him when he was then JB

I don't think amyone on here has not said that what Daley did was wrong.

 

I think we are divided over how we view Hazel's part in it. No one I have seen have said it was OK.

I'm totally with Kaffers and Jackson - I actually feel a bit sorry for Daley, he wanted to sleep, she came in and pulled his duvet off and pretty much demanded a cuddle - he said no - SHE straddled him first, SHE put her hands round his throat first, SHE pulled his pants down (if HE had done that to HER.... well think about it), she slapped his ass as well, SHE stuck her face in his and pretty much told him who would 'finish' first - she was enjoying it all - UNTIL BB called Daley to the DR, her plan was then f*cked up - she sloped off to the chair while he got his rollocking, then she got called in, and afraid that she might be booted out, she said she was scared of him, nasty nasty cow - even the simple fact that she didnt tell the housemates what happened and only told Dan half a story says it all 

and like I said last night, when called to the DR, he didnt appear at all drunk, it was all sexual roleplay and she was enjoying every minute of it 

kerching kerching!!

and thats from me a WOMAN

Once she knew Daley had been warned she clued up and said she was scared

yet again................ apparently they spent the rest of the night in the SH laughing and cuddling - why so? 

Just a boy misunderstood.

 

Bet he had no Animals records.

Hazel was relentless when it came to Daly ,she needed headlines and he could provide them.Hazel wouldn't look twice at Daly on the outside,he was a means to an end and he paid the price .

She is an ice cold, fame hungry, cock tease.

What she did in the DR was calculated .

If she was scared and frightened then why go back to the safe house?

If BB knew she was scared and in any danger why let her go back to he SH?

Shame on BB!

I find it funny that according to Hazel when she was telling Dan what happened [minus the 'I was coming on to him like a bitch on heat in front of the cameras' bit] she said she grabbed Daley around the neck.. .if that did happen on the very few occasions the LF went away from those two and Daley got thrown out for the same thing then should she had gone as well?

 

I don't think that all thru the horseplay/roleplay   Daley was as angry as is being made out. . both had laughter in their voices when speaking..   the throat thing and the I'll nut you thing was a follow on to all that not a separate bit later with a mood change in between... just a continuing play thing..  I am kinda leaning to it being more rolepaly now tbh having watched it.. as in 'you've been a norty girl' type roleplay..  not pleasant as an observer but whatever floats some peoples boat...  best behind closed doors not in front of the cameras either way..

 

I can see form Daleys interview he had to stop himself a few times form saying what he really felt about what happened... and whilst he apologised for what the viewers saw he was clearly not happy with how Hazel had switched it to make herself the victim..

Hi Olls.. i pretty much agree with you since I've watched a bit more (not seen it all) and I posted last night that I'm starting to think if BB hadn't called him to DR when they did they may well have ended up with the live sex show they were hoping for.     The way I heard his interview too - the apology was more for offending the viewing public than for what went on between him and Hazel, and rightly so imo.    Oh, and if she's a victim... I'm Kate Middleton...

 

 

I think that is the top and bottom as to why he got shown the door - not wanting another barrage of complaints like last year .... I am sure they had several Sunday night/Monday Morning and that was why they took all day to decide what to do JMO 

I do think that they removed him because they were worried about the backlash after last year ...and In last night's edits I admit Hazel did seem to have changed her story somewhat . However, no matter what anyone says , I still think that any man who towers over a woman and says * would you like me to nut you* is a danger ..that's not banter, that's not foreplay ...that's aggression. And being drunk is no excuse in my book ..there are a lot of wife beaters out there who would also claim , I was drunk, she led me on...etc. etc.

there's some people like right weird stuff though Baz.  whatever floats your sexual boat, but don't make me watch it.   Would I like it?  No.  Do I know anyone who might?  Possibly.  Then again... perhaps they should have discussed boundaries and safe words 

I forgot I posted a waffle earlier. .but yeah I agree. .she belittles ever other woman in that situation who hasn't done hours and the previous days of roleplay 'flirting' leading up to that moment. . the ones really abused, who have that thrust on them when they say no are the victims..

 

and yeah I also agree Daley apologised for the content of what the viewers saw, courtesy of BB edit team.. not the content of what happened.. when will they learn we don't want to see anybody's sex acts or foreplay thank you very much

 

Hazel is lining up her stories ready for her agent when she gets out.. she NEVER forgets her body is her business..

 

*still think she will walk this weekend, when she hears the crowd especially . .she already discussed her time is nearly over with Dan prior to this lot . . she has to time it right to get the next sc*um rag print day right.. *

 

Sends her application forms for working in the online sexcams industry and sends Daly a membership form so he can watch 

fraid I agree again, sorry Baz. . S&M clubs wouldn't exist if there weren't loads of people with weird [to me anyway] sexual preferences]. . there is loads of rolepalying in those and in the home too with couples who just prefer that sort of sexual encounter. . some really like the 'violent' side of roleplay . Hazel obviously does as she said early on that evening quite  a few words implying she is up for the rough house type of thing.. such as you'll never best me I will always win. .and the wrestling stuff and the ordering about for him to cuddle her. . hard to explain what I mean but when I saw her eyes and heard the words I thought she's up for all that weird stuff she's telling him this with her eyes and body language as well as her words....

 

in all honesty what I saw looked to me like a very bad Mills & Boon bodice ripper type scenario..

 

What I would say is what they did and what real victims have happen to them is not even close.. shame on Hazel for playing that role now and shame on Dan as a cop for believing her side too.. so far apart form guessing Michael he's shown nothing apart form what a crap copper he was and is ready to slam guilty on anyones head..  .. 

Lol. Yes, Kaffy , I know about sado masochism But like I have said , for me it was the attitude he displayed towards women just prior to the bedroom stuff that sealed it for me . He was very, very angry ...and why , cos he wanted to go to sleep and she wouldn't come in when he said so ! And having listened to and seen that , I do wonder what would have happened in a * normal* situation ...without the cameras rolling ! Would he have gone out and dragged her in ??? Like I said yesterday , I understand that I am out of step with the majority on the forum , but that's how I read the situation , and I think unless he gets proper counselling ......."

No need to apologise Olly if it had just been the bedroom stuff then I would probably agree with you But see my post ^^^^^ And please don't think I am on Hazel's side either ...I ver liked her much and she played the victim quite well ....but I do wonder if people would be quite so ready to excuse Daley if it was another HM , or if we hadn't already been force fed the fauxmance etc.

How do you know that Hazel wouldn’t have looked at Daley on the outside? We know she formerly had a boyfriend who was a boxer.

 

BB needed the headlines more than Hazel – and they instigated the scenario of pairing up Hazel/ Daley and encouraging the public to vote them into the safe-house – just days after interviewing Daley’s girlfriend.

 

Hazel must have known that there was expectation on her from BB and the public to deliver something in the safe-house… but what?

 

I can believe that she was scared or frightened, for a moment, and in a situation, that she suddenly no longer had control over – the moment at which BB intervened.

Oh and if that's not enough , apparently swearing a lie on his baby's life ...that's enough to count him out in my book

Baz if it was outside of the cameras I bet he'd have gone out and told her to come in and she'd have told him where to get off and a massive row would have ensued/ ..possibly with wild make up sex to follow... . she's her own woman and it is clearly her way or the highway. .

 

I do know you are talking for those women not strong enough to deal with aggressive men when drunk who pound them regularly. .she's not that type.. and the women not able to deal or put a drunken little boyback  in his place and back to bed are the ones I know you are talking for and for whom we all feel for too. . this particular situation  wasn't like that tho and in fact belittles the cases of the poor women who are in that situation.. because it made the news  some ignorant people may say well look at that Hazel woman she made a whole lot of something out of a whole lot of not a lot so all those other women must be like that too..

 

Does that make sense?

 

I believe him when he says he loses his cool and shouts but doesn't hit.. I don't know why I do, can't stand the bloke I just feel he puts his real aggression elsewhere... I may be wrong I hope not

just catching up. .I think he was telling the truth. .BB wanted bedroom action not two girls chatting .. they put the blinds down when she went back in.. maybe they had garden work needed doing as well and those two were the last in there.. they don't do announcements outside at night if they can help it and Daley was awake and near the phone...  he had no reason to lie, he'd just got back into bed after turning the light off and turned over to go to sleep .. but who knows. .can't see him swearing on a kids life for that tbh..

I don't know if people are excusing either of them. . I think they are reading the whole of the night as one with the HM's [doesn't matter who they were it was about what was going on], not just 'that' small clip and some are coming to a different conclusion to that which BB finally came to and the one Hazel decided to follow with eventually too.

But the fact that SHE might have been able to deal with him is not the point I'm making Olly ...and I really do think that that is what is really muddying the waters here Let's face it , she's acted like a bit of a tart , BUT take her out of the equation , and It's HIS attitude that disturbs me ...if that is what he acts like on national TV , I'm sorry , but the guy has problems . And as for him saying he gets angry but would never hit a woman ....well is * do you want me to nut you * the first thing that pops into a non violent persons head ? Trust me , I'm no shrinking violet and I've got a temper ...I'm also not naive ....but his behaviour truly sent alarm signals through me ......