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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

thats true, but an interest in politics doesnt equate to an understanding of it, i fear many people from the labour heartlands who only vote labour because its what their dads and granddads did will vote for parties that they shouldnt without thinking of the consequences, and by that i mean switch to the bnp for local council elections (although of course i'd welcome them all to vote that way for the euros as long as they know when to stop).

Hmmmm, not sure about that, why Labour voters are less lilely to make an intelligent, objective decision. What about trad voters in Tory heartlands? Don't many of them also vote the way they do because they were brought up to it? They've been hit in the opinion polls just as hard, so who are they thinking of voting for now?

I will STILL vote labour in the general, because I WILL not and could NEVER vote tory NOTHING to do with what my dad did or HIS dad did,

in fact....prepare to be SHOCKED!!...in the general election of 1979 I voted tory!!! YES I voted for THATCHER the year she was elected for the first time,
I voted for her for several reasons, I was fairly young (25) I WAS rebelling against my dad who TRIED to order me to vote labour, I WAS sick of the Labour government AND the madness of the unions in the 70s, and I believed (as a working class guy from a working class area)that we NEEDED change and that thatcher sounded fair and reasonable....OH HOW WRONG I WAS,
THAT is why I will never(and have never) vote/d tory again in my life, so its sad but the only ones I can vote for in a general, would be Labour,
they are the least bad of a bad bunch IMO

YES there are the died in the wool (my dad voted labour and so did his dad) labour voters,
but DONT tell me there aint AS many upper class public school twonks who only vote Tory because matter and patter did,(got to keep the oinks in their place what what)

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A deliberate move on her part to create the greatest impact possible!

Quite shrewd timing: a swift kick in the nuts for Flush Gordon, moments before his party gets annhilated in the elections tomorrow.

Harriet Harperson vs Alan Johnson for next leader?

Wouldn't surprise me if it was Alan Johnson.

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

thats true, but an interest in politics doesnt equate to an understanding of it, i fear many people from the labour heartlands who only vote labour because its what their dads and granddads did will vote for parties that they shouldnt without thinking of the consequences, and by that i mean switch to the bnp for local council elections (although of course i'd welcome them all to vote that way for the euros as long as they know when to stop).

Hmmmm, not sure about that, why Labour voters are less lilely to make an intelligent, objective decision. What about trad voters in Tory heartlands? Don't many of them also vote the way they do because they were brought up to it? They've been hit in the opinion polls just as hard, so who are they thinking of voting for now?

I will STILL vote labour in the general, because I WILL not and could NEVER vote tory NOTHING to do with what my dad did or HIS dad did,

in fact....prepare to be SHOCKED!!...in the general election of 1979 I voted tory!!! YES I voted for THATCHER the year she was elected for the first time,
I voted for her for several reasons, I was fairly young (25) I WAS rebelling against my dad who TRIED to order me to vote labour, I WAS sick of the Labour government AND the madness of the unions in the 70s, and I believed (as a working class guy from a working class area)that we NEEDED change and that thatcher sounded fair and reasonable....OH HOW WRONG I WAS,
THAT is why I will never(and have never) vote/d tory again in my life, so its sad but the only ones I can vote for in a general, would be Labour,
they are the least bad of a bad bunch IMO

YES there are the died in the wool (my dad voted labour and so did his dad) labour voters,
but DONT tell me there aint AS many upper class public school twonks who only vote Tory because matter and patter did,(got to keep the oinks in their place what what)

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So for all those who would only ever vote for Labour/Tory etc are therefore wishing for a one party state.

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IF I wanted a one party state I could just vote BNP hehe

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by luxor:

So for all those who would only ever vote for Labour/Tory etc are therefore wishing for a one party state.

how come? I would NEVER want a one party state I believe in democracy, I strongly believe the people of this coutry should have a choice, its juat that I would NEVER vote Tory is all, I might consider not votin Labour at sometime (not this time)
IF I wanted a one party state I could just vote BNP hehe,

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
SOme of them are claiming they're stressed by the allegations...poor mites....try living on my Salary!!!! Grrrr!

Are you watching that other bitch from hell, aka the soon to be former Home Secretary, on Sky? The total indifference to the fundamental issues about her integrity is beyond belief!

Ah, I need to switch off my telly.......

Yep, I saw that too - stupid mare!

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

i'm sorry but whatever way you put it thats daft, surely its best to vote after some consideration for the party or individual who you think will best represent your views or beliefs.

oh and its oiks not oinks, thats the mp's

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

i'm sorry but whatever way you put it thats daft, surely its best to vote after some consideration for the party or individual who you think will best represent your views or beliefs.

oh and its oiks not oinks, thats the mp's

isnt that what I said? I was saying that I have voted Tory ONCE,
and at the moment the Labour party is MY party of choice, not Ideal, but the best of the options out there, there is nothing the Tories could say or do that could get me to vote for them,
ok there IS but that aint gonna happen is it?

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


you make it sound like you wouldnt vote for any right of centre party, surely thats a very blinkered view

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


you make it sound like you wouldnt vote for any right of centre party, surely thats a very blinkered view

maybe so, but..yes you are right I would NEVER vote for a right of centre party,
thats not to say I am some sort of raving communist either, but my views ARE left of centre, and "probably" always will be....cant see them changing now,
and I make no apologies for that ,

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Oh and maybe someone can answer a question for me, please - when Blears was piously flapping that cheque about for the cameras, did the amount on it reflect interest accrued for late repayment? In other words, was she liable for late payment penalties in the same way ORDINARY tax payers would be?

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Oh and maybe someone can answer a question for me, please - when Blears was piously flapping that cheque about for the cameras, did the amount on it reflect interest accrued for late repayment? In other words, was she liable for late payment penalties in the same way ORDINARY tax payers would be?

Good point Deegs - my husband said exactly the same!

I hadn't picked up on that point myself until he mentioned it.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


you make it sound like you wouldnt vote for any right of centre party, surely thats a very blinkered view

maybe so, but..yes you are right I would NEVER vote for a right of centre party,
thats not to say I am some sort of raving communist either, but my views ARE left of centre, and "probably" always will be....cant see them changing now,
and I make no apologies for that ,

I applaud you for that No-one should have to apologise for their views. As you know I am more right than left, and don't feel the need to apologise for that - even though some people seem to think I should

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


you make it sound like you wouldnt vote for any right of centre party, surely thats a very blinkered view

maybe so, but..yes you are right I would NEVER vote for a right of centre party,
thats not to say I am some sort of raving communist either, but my views ARE left of centre, and "probably" always will be....cant see them changing now,
and I make no apologies for that ,

I applaud you for that No-one should have to apologise for their views. As you know I am more right than left, and don't feel the need to apologise for that - even though some people seem to think I should

not me lass, MOST peoples vote is based on their background, their upbringing and their "social status", and as a working class chap from the lower end of the pay scale the only party that I feel has the slightest interest or chance of helping ME and people at MY level is the Labour party, and that is why I voted for them last time, and will probably vote for them next time,

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WOOOHOOO some shadow cabintet twonk..."we have 2 and a half million unemployed"....never mind, only another MILLION to go and it will be up where it was when YOU lot were last in, how short do they think peoples memories are?

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I was really suprised when I read this, I thought she would front it out. I think she thought giving the money back would be enough. Do these people think that we are really that shallow?

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


you make it sound like you wouldnt vote for any right of centre party, surely thats a very blinkered view

maybe so, but..yes you are right I would NEVER vote for a right of centre party,
thats not to say I am some sort of raving communist either, but my views ARE left of centre, and "probably" always will be....cant see them changing now,
and I make no apologies for that ,

I applaud you for that No-one should have to apologise for their views. As you know I am more right than left, and don't feel the need to apologise for that - even though some people seem to think I should

not me lass, MOST peoples vote is based on their background, their upbringing and their "social status", and as a working class chap from the lower end of the pay scale the only party that I feel has the slightest interest or chance of helping ME and people at MY level is the Labour party, and that is why I voted for them last time, and will probably vote for them next time,

well, i'd love to know where i'm supposed to see myself fit in?

i've mostly voted tory but i've "dabbled" (ie voted for at different times) just about every party from bcp and monster raving looney to sdp, liberal, labour and conservative, tomorrow i'll break my bnp duck too for the euros and vote tory again for the locals. i've been jobless, a regular worker on a production line, a council office worker (for a very short time thanks to the unions), a company director and a retired person. i've lived in my parent home, lost my own home, been homeless, lived in a squat and a tent, private rented flat and house, council house, my own house with 3 bedrooms, 5 bedrooms and finally our current home with 19 bedrooms total. i've been to both state and private schools, a childrens psychiatric unit and university

so whats my background or social status?

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


you make it sound like you wouldnt vote for any right of centre party, surely thats a very blinkered view

maybe so, but..yes you are right I would NEVER vote for a right of centre party,
thats not to say I am some sort of raving communist either, but my views ARE left of centre, and "probably" always will be....cant see them changing now,
and I make no apologies for that ,

I applaud you for that No-one should have to apologise for their views. As you know I am more right than left, and don't feel the need to apologise for that - even though some people seem to think I should

not me lass, MOST peoples vote is based on their background, their upbringing and their "social status", and as a working class chap from the lower end of the pay scale the only party that I feel has the slightest interest or chance of helping ME and people at MY level is the Labour party, and that is why I voted for them last time, and will probably vote for them next time,

well, i'd love to know where i'm supposed to see myself fit in?

i've mostly voted tory but i've "dabbled" (ie voted for at different times) just about every party from bcp and monster raving looney to sdp, liberal, labour and conservative, tomorrow i'll break my bnp duck too for the euros and vote tory again for the locals. i've been jobless, a regular worker on a production line, a council office worker (for a very short time thanks to the unions), a company director and a retired person. i've lived in my parent home, lost my own home, been homeless, lived in a squat and a tent, private rented flat and house, council house, my own house with 3 bedrooms, 5 bedrooms and finally our current home with 19 bedrooms total. i've been to both state and private schools, a childrens psychiatric unit and university

so whats my background or social status?

HA I would say "mixed" but I did say "MOST people" and not ALL,
as for MY background,...bought up on a council estate both my parents worked (mother in a factory, father ex army and a truckdriver)

state education, didnt qualify for staying on to take A or O level exams so NO CHANCE of further education (this was in the 60s)thrown out into factory work at the age of 15,

worked in various factories and heavy industry jobs, (steelworks coal mines pottery factories) ALL industries destroyed by the Tories,
was made redundant something like 12 times in as many years,.....now self employed thanks to the Labour government that set up the training and the grants that gave me the chance to get off the endless cycle of job/dole/job/dole/job/dole

even moved abroad to the Republic of Ireland when offered a job there in the hope of breaking the cycle,
the BOSS of the company approached ME in the UK and asked me to go and work for him to train people to do my job in his factory,

(job for life I will look after you etc etc) upped sticks gave away everything I owned that I couldnt carry in a couple of cases,
moved to Ireland, trained the people,.. boss sacked me as soon as his workers needed no further training,
came back here worked in a warehouse, got made redundant, worked in a pottery factory got made redundant, went self employed,

oh er lived in council flats, or private rented flats/houses, never married or had children,

live with my partner in a rented house, (never had a morgage) n thats about it, oh longest period of unemployment 4 years, in the 80s under thatcher,

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short enough to forget labour of the 70's and elect blair in 97.

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short enough to forget labour of the 70's and elect blair in 97.

really? I wouldve said THAT was the reason for the Tories staying in power for 18 years through the eighties and most of the 90s,

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well one things for certain we've both had more varied lives than some seem to be having nowdays, i couldnt give a stuff about someones background, to me its just a case of take them as i find them, although i must admit i dislike the false "airs and graces" of those who attempt to hide where they came from under a realy false "posh" accent. (but thats probably more to do with my personal dislike for my sister in law who moved from a council estate to a private estate but who's speech moved from a slum to buckinham palace.

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:


well one things for certain we've both had more varied lives than some seem to be having nowdays, i couldnt give a stuff about someones background, to me its just a case of take them as i find them, although i must admit i dislike the false "airs and graces" of those who attempt to hide where they came from under a realy false "posh" accent. (but thats probably more to do with my personal dislike for my sister in law who moved from a council estate to a private estate but who's speech moved from a slum to buckinham palace.

HAHA IS you sister in law MY sister?

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Brown needs to go and go soon

Give us a General Election!

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Brown needs to go and go soon

Give us a General Election!

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Brown needs to go and go soon

Give us a General Election!

brown isnt going anywhere without a fight and even if he does whoever takes over still wont call an election because the whole lot of them know most of them will be signing on the day after the votes are counted.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Brown needs to go and go soon

Give us a General Election!

I agree, its time to go to the people EVEN IF that means THEY come back for a while, but we cant continue like this,

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

brown isnt going anywhere without a fight and even if he does whoever takes over still wont call an election because the whole lot of them know most of them will be signing on the day after the votes are counted.

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Brown needs to go and go soon

Give us a General Election!

brown isnt going anywhere without a fight and even if he does whoever takes over still wont call an election because the whole lot of them know most of them will be signing on the day after the votes are counted.

I wouldnt be 100% certain of that, its IS probable but not a certainty

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Yeah you're right. The longer this goes on the more damage (if that is possible), it is doing to the country as a whole

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
brown isnt going anywhere without a fight and even if he does whoever takes over still wont call an election because the whole lot of them know most of them will be signing on the day after the votes are counted.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
brown isnt going anywhere without a fight and even if he does whoever takes over still wont call an election because the whole lot of them know most of them will be signing on the day after the votes are counted.

Not just that. They're hoping things will pick up a little bit before then so that they'll only be out of power for, say, 12 years instead of 18.