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Originally posted by Deegs:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
If anything, that statement only reinforces why she had to go.
Caught red-handed and STILL won't accept she did anything wrong.

OK. So why the feck did she REALLY resign? Never mind all her claptrap. I think her and many of her colleagues are genuinely OFFENDED by all this criticism by the great unwashed Joe Public. How DARE we question them in any way.

But the most despicable part of this is the TIMING of her resignation. Not amid yesterday's hoopla, which would have been bad enough. No Bleurgh chooses to do it 90 minutes before her beleagured & bruised PM's Questions. Talk about a final stab in the back!

Calculated to do as much damage to Brown as possible. She didn't like him not backing her over her expense claims, so she timed her exit to cause as much harm as she could - right before the Euro elections tomorrow.

Expect her to start hectoring for a change of party leadership any day now..

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
One hopes that as well as changing the staff they might now change the philosophy back to something a little less right wing.

This smacks of counter-revolutionary propaganda

Well you young ones don't remember the days when we had left wing leaders such as Eden, MacMillan, Home and Heath with their one nation toryism, nationalised industries, equal opportunities for all, socialist ideology.

They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Deegs:
... fiddle, lie, mislead, cheat and steal. They can participate in a prolonged orgy and engorged trough-feeding.

Then, when the chips are truly down, they can just cheerfully bale out with media soundbites about "keeping dignity"........all with impunity.

You've just described me at a party.

Thanks for making me smile

I'm cranky cos I'm sore from some minor surgery - watching that ginger gnome Bleurgh jauntily strutting about (grinning!) is just making the pain worse

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Originally posted by Deegs:
I think her and many of her colleagues are genuinely OFFENDED by all this criticism by the great unwashed Joe

Cheeky fecker. Come up here and say that.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:


Well you young ones don't remember the days when we had left wing leaders such as Eden, MacMillan, Home and Heath with their one nation toryism, nationalised industries, equal opportunities for all, socialist ideology.

Tell us again what it was like in the war, Grandpa

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Originally posted by Deegs:

OK. So why the feck did she REALLY resign?

because she knows like most of her colleagues its the last time her party are going to see any hint of power for another generation.

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

I've always secretly followed it , but never been interested in it much as now. It's good that others who aren't as interested have finally been able to follow it and have their say .

Has Brown resigned yet?

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

thats true, but an interest in politics doesnt equate to an understanding of it, i fear many people from the labour heartlands who only vote labour because its what their dads and granddads did will vote for parties that they shouldnt without thinking of the consequences, and by that i mean switch to the bnp for local council elections (although of course i'd welcome them all to vote that way for the euros as long as they know when to stop).

They can backpeddle, BS and bale out all they want.

The only REAL closure here, in ordinary peoples' eyes, will be when the whole scummy sleazy thieving lot of them are denied their pensions & are hauled up by the police straight to Court, to face criminal charges (like other thieves would be).

Blimey, I thought ITALIAN politicians were bad enough......

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Originally posted by Deegs:
They can backpeddle, BS and bale out all they want.

The only REAL closure here, in ordinary peoples' eyes, will be when the whole scummy sleazy thieving lot of them are denied their pensions & are hauled up by the police straight to Court, to face criminal charges (like other thieves would be).

Blimey, I thought ITALIAN politicians were bad enough......

I couldn't agree more Deegs

Do they not get it? People are fighting for the right to get Cancer Drugs to stay alive and being refused due to cost!!! A Mother was hauled before the Courts for lying on her application form to a School so she could get her child a better education...the list is endless...and these pompus, greedy, self-serving gits think they are entitled to take, take, take...they make me sick!!!

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Deegs:
I think her and many of her colleagues are genuinely OFFENDED by all this criticism by the great unwashed Joe

Cheeky fecker. Come up here and say that.

Don't fiddle with my posts!

SOme of them are claiming they're stressed by the allegations...poor mites....try living on my Salary!!!! Grrrr!

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

thats true, but an interest in politics doesnt equate to an understanding of it, i fear many people from the labour heartlands who only vote labour because its what their dads and granddads did will vote for parties that they shouldnt without thinking of the consequences, and by that i mean switch to the bnp for local council elections (although of course i'd welcome them all to vote that way for the euros as long as they know when to stop).

Hmmmm, not sure about that, why Labour voters are less lilely to make an intelligent, objective decision. What about trad voters in Tory heartlands? Don't many of them also vote the way they do because they were brought up to it? They've been hit in the opinion polls just as hard, so who are they thinking of voting for now?

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
SOme of them are claiming they're stressed by the allegations...poor mites....try living on my Salary!!!! Grrrr!

Are you watching that other bitch from hell, aka the soon to be former Home Secretary, on Sky? The total indifference to the fundamental issues about her integrity is beyond belief!

Ah, I need to switch off my telly.......

Nice soundbite from Nick Clegg: although Gordon Brown is in power, he is not in control.

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Originally posted by Deegs:


Are you watching that other bitch from hell, aka the soon to be former Home Secretary, on Sky? The total indifference to the fundamental issues about her integrity is beyond belief!

Ah, I need to switch off my telly.......

Round these parts she's known as the 'Various Homes' Secretary

secksy in er leathers though

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Originally posted by china:
it makes me laugh when theyre all describing their 'cheat sheets' away claiming for a mortgage that doesnt exsist etc..-they use the phrase 'it was a mistake'

someone in the paper last week said 'a mistake' is when you forget to take your umberella with you and it starts raining!

not claiming thousands for your daughters house, mortgages, etc..

lying b@stards

they must all think we're daft

Funny how they all consider their cheating ways are merely 'mistakes' when they're exposed as being cheats and liars!!

Oh yes, 'we acted entirely within the rules' malarkey is a load of cobblers. They stretched the rules to suit their greedy needs and fleeced the taxpayers to the hilt for their ill-gotten gains. It is tantamount to fraud IMO and completely immoral.

How can they justify moat cleaning, a duck house, plasma TV's, expensive beds, toilet seats, redecoration etc as being necessary to perform their parliamentary duties?

I, for one, applaud the Daily Telegraph for publicising the thieving ways of some MP's and now the rats are jumping ship before being pushed.

It would be interesting to know just how much, over the years, they have fleeced the taxpayer for so they can live 'high on the hog'!

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

Hmmmm, not sure about that, why Labour voters are less lilely to make an intelligent, objective decision. What about trad voters in Tory heartlands? Don't many of them also vote the way they do because they were brought up to it? They've been hit in the opinion polls just as hard, so who are they thinking of voting for now?[/QUOTE]

no, i think that disaffected tories will tend to drift towards the lib dems (again a crazy move) as it seems they often do, as to being hit as hard in the polls that just isnt true labour have gone from 48%-to around 20% behind the libdems on 22% whilst the tories have dropped they are still in the 40's so their collapse has been nowhere near as spectacular.

i did say earlier on another thread that a lot of that is simply down to the fact there are many more labour mp's at present which makes it seem like its more of a labour problem when in fact its obviously cross pary.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
Round these parts she's known as the 'Various Homes' Secretary

Is her husband a member of Various DVD Rental Shops too?

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by Deegs:


Are you watching that other bitch from hell, aka the soon to be former Home Secretary, on Sky? The total indifference to the fundamental issues about her integrity is beyond belief!

Ah, I need to switch off my telly.......

Round these parts she's known as the 'Various Homes' Secretary

brilliant.

Out of all the Politicians in recent years Hazel Blears has been the one that I thought was the most condescending.
That stuck on grin when ever a camera was around just made me want to

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Originally posted by china:
thats that little manic smiley woman on a bike innit?

dont like her

bye hazel

That's the one! Her head goes into overdrive everytime she opens her gob to speak! Damned irritating woman!

Well, finally she's managed to pull something political off quite competently: A boot into Brown's bolls at just the right time to really hurt, thus avoiding the indignity of the walk of shame from No10 after the reshuffle, with the best (but vain) hope of avoiding the muck and staying an MP when the NuLabour project finally, and thankfully, fragments.

Or, I suppose, she might have been sent a message from the mother ship and she's tidying up before being beamed off Earth after he stint amongst humankind.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

Hmmmm, not sure about that, why Labour voters are less lilely to make an intelligent, objective decision. What about trad voters in Tory heartlands? Don't many of them also vote the way they do because they were brought up to it? They've been hit in the opinion polls just as hard, so who are they thinking of voting for now?

no, i think that disaffected tories will tend to drift towards the lib dems (again a crazy move) as it seems they often do, as to being hit as hard in the polls that just isnt true labour have gone from 48%-to around 20% behind the libdems on 22% whilst the tories have dropped they are still in the 40's so their collapse has been nowhere near as spectacular.

i did say earlier on another thread that a lot of that is simply down to the fact there are many more labour mp's at present which makes it seem like its more of a labour problem when in fact its obviously cross pary.[/QUOTE]
From what I saw on the news yesterday, Labour and the Tories have fallen by about the same number of points as Labour since the expenses row broke, although they're still ahead.
Plenty of former Labour heartlands have turned LibDem - my own local council, for instance.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
Can't wait to stick it to 'em in the ballot box tomorrow

Hear Hear BDO - we're doing the same!

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Originally posted by Deegs:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
If anything, that statement only reinforces why she had to go.
Caught red-handed and STILL won't accept she did anything wrong.

OK. So why the feck did she REALLY resign? Never mind all her claptrap. I think her and many of her colleagues are genuinely OFFENDED by all this criticism by the great unwashed Joe Public. How DARE we question them in any way.

But the most despicable part of this is the TIMING of her resignation. Not amid yesterday's hoopla, which would have been bad enough. No Bleurgh chooses to do it 90 minutes before her beleagured & bruised PM's Questions. Talk about a final stab in the back!

A deliberate move on her part to create the greatest impact possible!

I want to see H Harman go so we can laugh at the result of her Court of Public Opinion.

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:

A deliberate move on her part to create the greatest impact possible!

Quite shrewd timing: a swift kick in the nuts for Flush Gordon, moments before his party gets annhilated in the elections tomorrow.

Harriet Harperson vs Alan Johnson for next leader?

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Has Brown resigned yet?

Morning Lassie?

Although not a Labour supporter, I am beginning to feel rather sorry for Gordon Brown right now!

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

From what I saw on the news yesterday, Labour and the Tories have fallen by about the same number of points as Labour since the expenses row broke, although they're still ahead.
Plenty of former Labour heartlands have turned LibDem - my own local council, for instance.

well i'll have to be honest here and say i havent seen a poll for a couple of days now.

but councils going lib dem has been a long term issue, they do seem to have much more success at grass roots level.



my real fear is that as brown clings on to the job he waited so long to get he'll still want to leave his legacy and frankly i fear just how much damage he may cause in order to do it, i'm sure that electoral reform has been mentioned and i can see him using that as his marker, after all reforming the way we vote is about the only way his party could have any hope of clinging onto power.

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
Can't wait to stick it to 'em in the ballot box tomorrow

Hear Hear BDO - we're doing the same!

I already have with my postal vote. It felt good.

I hope these champagne socialists end up below the LibDem at the General Election.

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Originally posted by Deegs:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
SOme of them are claiming they're stressed by the allegations...poor mites....try living on my Salary!!!! Grrrr!

Are you watching that other bitch from hell, aka the soon to be former Home Secretary, on Sky? The total indifference to the fundamental issues about her integrity is beyond belief!

Ah, I need to switch off my telly.......

Yep, I saw that too - stupid mare!

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
They can't talk their way out, now they have been caught red handed , their smug smirks have been wiped off . We're paying for their fancy homes etc what a joke . Not even supposed to be interested in Politics, but a lil rant won't hurt .

If one great thing has come out of this whole mess, it's that people who previously weren't interested in politics, suddenly are

thats true, but an interest in politics doesnt equate to an understanding of it, i fear many people from the labour heartlands who only vote labour because its what their dads and granddads did will vote for parties that they shouldnt without thinking of the consequences, and by that i mean switch to the bnp for local council elections (although of course i'd welcome them all to vote that way for the euros as long as they know when to stop).

Hmmmm, not sure about that, why Labour voters are less lilely to make an intelligent, objective decision. What about trad voters in Tory heartlands? Don't many of them also vote the way they do because they were brought up to it? They've been hit in the opinion polls just as hard, so who are they thinking of voting for now?

I will STILL vote labour in the general, because I WILL not and could NEVER vote tory NOTHING to do with what my dad did or HIS dad did,

in fact....prepare to be SHOCKED!!...in the general election of 1979 I voted tory!!! YES I voted for THATCHER the year she was elected for the first time,
I voted for her for several reasons, I was fairly young (25) I WAS rebelling against my dad who TRIED to order me to vote labour, I WAS sick of the Labour government AND the madness of the unions in the 70s, and I believed (as a working class guy from a working class area)that we NEEDED change and that thatcher sounded fair and reasonable....OH HOW WRONG I WAS,
THAT is why I will never(and have never) vote/d tory again in my life, so its sad but the only ones I can vote for in a general, would be Labour,
they are the least bad of a bad bunch IMO

YES there are the died in the wool (my dad voted labour and so did his dad) labour voters,
but DONT tell me there aint AS many upper class public school twonks who only vote Tory because matter and patter did,(got to keep the oinks in their place what what)

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
secksy in er leathers though

Trust you OHG - a fellow biker!!

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Originally posted by luxor:
Out of all the Politicians in recent years Hazel Blears has been the one that I thought was the most condescending.
That stuck on grin when ever a camera was around just made me want to

Yep, she's got a face you just want to slap with that perma-grin!

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:

A deliberate move on her part to create the greatest impact possible!

Quite shrewd timing: a swift kick in the nuts for Flush Gordon, moments before his party gets annhilated in the elections tomorrow.

Harriet Harperson vs Alan Johnson for next leader?

Wouldn't surprise me if it was Alan Johnson.