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Mrs Duffy What are you going to do with all those illegal immigrants?

Brown I deported them all last weekend.

Mrs Duffy No you haven't. Mr Cameron's black man in Plymouth says there are still millions of them.

Brown You're just a bigoted old woman.

Sky TV We heard that!

Brown I said: "You're a big-hearted woman." (To Duffy, whispering) Oi you, come indoors, you mad old bat.

Duffy That's not very nice.

Brown I said, "I'll feed your cat." How much cash do you want to shut up? You could certainly do with a hearing aid.

Duffy Ooh, Mr Brown, you're breaking my arm ...

Brown ... And if you look carefully, you'll notice I'm also not smiling.

Duffy Thank God for that.

Brown So it's a deal. A couple of grand, we get rid of all the foreigners in your street and you say you'll still vote Labour.

Jeremy Vine So, prime minister. Do you think your intemperate remarks might have cost you the election?

Brown Go fu*k yourself, you prick.

Vine I'm sorry?

Brown I said: "With a bit of luck it will pass in a tick."

Cameron I'm walking on sunshine ...

Clegg I'm walking on water.

Garage Joe
Interesting thread - although I was slightly distracted after seeing stonks' new avi.

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Reference: suzybean
Someone like Michael Foot probably wouldn't make it on a short list for Prospective Parliamentary Candidate today. It's our loss collectively, IMHO.
... I totally agree.


There will be even greater protection from impromptu and risky meetings between ordinary members of the public and politicians. Already they surround themselves with the nodding heads of their own activists when supposedly speaking to the people on the street.

Party leaders will, from now on - although it's been happening since Blair - be chosen for their media skills and appearance. I think only a really large or possibly eccentric character could overcome this new requirement.

According to a body language expert one of the reasons Nick Clegg didn't do as well in the second debate was that the podium was wider thus hiding the effective way he uses his body when speaking. To think that such a triviality could be a decider is scary.

I remember the analysis of the Nixon/ Kennedy TV debate - how what colour suit Nixon was wearing was a factor etc - and was hoping we wouldn't be subjected to such a media event but I think we are stuck with it now.
Baby Bunny
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I wonder if GB will think of inviting Mrs Duffy to the election debate tonight and publicly show that they have made up, because that is the best chance he's going to get of improving his position. On the other hand, that could backfire big time.
I don't think they would dare risk it.  According to her niece she is a very strong-minded woman who is unlikely to accept his apology.  Not a good idea letting her talk to him on TV.
squiggle
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I remember the analysis of the Nixon/ Kennedy TV debate - how what colour suit Nixon was wearing was a factor etc - and was hoping we wouldn't be subjected to such a media event but I think we are stuck with it now.
That's an interesting analysis of the Nixon/Kennedy debate until you consider one thing, Nixon - Kennedy, no contest.  Nixon was a deeply secretive man extremely awkward talking to people and Kennedy, for all he was a terrible womaniser, was a charismatic charming man, open and friendly who people of both sexes were drawn to and won over by.
squiggle
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GJ, that article from John Crace will make GB squirm. I wonder if GB will think of inviting Mrs Duffy to the election debate tonight and publicly show that they have made up, because that is the best chance he's going to get of improving his position. On the other hand, that could backfire big time.
We were just discussing this out on our bike ride. Mrs Joe's Mum was from Rochdale and she actually was a Labour voter. We both agreed that she would never have harped on about immigrants, her next door neighbour always looked out for her and she got on with everyone.

"Bigot" was a fair and measured response in our opinion. Just a shame Murdoch's troops overheard.
Garage Joe
bigot wasnt a fair and measured response
it was a churlish and nasty response to a woman who questioned the state of the immigration policies
if gord and co hadnt lied and said 13000 polish would be arriving instead of knowing it was over a million
maybe she wouldnt have questioned him
it was a fair question which was met with a rude answer
and i for one am glad that his idoitic response was broadcast
pirate1111
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We were just discussing this out on our bike ride. Mrs Joe's Mum was from Rochdale and she actually was a Labour voter. We both agreed that she would never have harped on about immigrants, her next door neighbour always looked out for her and she got on with everyone. "Bigot" was a fair and measured response in our opinion. Just a shame Murdoch's troops overheard.
So now we are not even allowed to mention immigration GJ? Incidentally I see you were reading your Guardian this morning, they were being scathing about Murdoch again weren't they?
squiggle
I've watched the meeting between Gillian Duffy and Gordon Brown several times.
The more I see it, the more I think Mrs Duffy was already in attack mode.
I also notice that she had a little bit to say about everything, shifting from one subject to another. Implying that nothing was being done about the country's debt was rather silly of her.
She might have been better advised to have concentrated on one area. He periority seemed to be to enjoy her moment.
brisket
no it wasnt
if she had been wearing a pair of docs waving a union jack and had i love BNP drawn on her apron i might consider that she's a bigot
but a woman who has always voted labour and worked-when she asks about immigration it doesnt mean shes any kind of bigot-it means she's got a genuine concern for where she lives
and like a lot of people - including me - she's worried that we're are too small a country to handle this many amount of extra people
its not working, we havent got the schools, hospitals and money to make it work.
there is nothing bigoted about being concerned
if we were a huge vast country with plenty to go around it would be different-but we're not
pirate1111
No The Andrew Marr Show on Sunday mornings.  He has terrible trouble keeping his attitudes hidden, Labour politicians he relaxes and warmly invites them to talk.  Conservative politicians he sits forward in his chair in attack mode and harries them like a terrier.   I found the following quote interesting

The Guardian makes some interesting points about BBC bias today. Picking up on Jeremy Hunt’s observation that Corporation staff lean largely Leftward, it quotes Andrew Marr’s obervation that the one-sidedness is “cultural and not party political”. Precisely. BBC presenters and editors rarely set out to promote one party over another. Their partiality, rather, is unconscious, reflexive, instinctive. Indeed, I remember a classic example from Marr himself. When Chris Patten averred that, on the issue of leaving the EPP, David Cameron should “listen to Angela Merkel and not to people like Daniel Hannan”, Marr, the interviewer, replied, “Yes, absolutely”. I don’t think he was trying to be snotty: he simply couldn’t see that he was asserting an opinion rather than a fact. (Beeb types often make this error when discussing the EU: see here and here for examples). It’s the same tendency that leads presenters to introduce conservatives as Right-wing polemicists, but to introduce Lefties as disinterested experts (see here).

The Guardian finishes with an amusing demonstration of its own unconscious bias: “There is, however, at least one self-confessed Conservative executive at the BBC. The BBC4 controller, Richard Klein, confessed his political leaning in August at the MediaGuardian Edinburgh International Television Festival”. Note the choice of verb. My dictionary defines “confess” as “to disclose something damaging or inconvenient to oneself; to make known one’s sins to a priest”. Alright, it was a light-hearted remark. Still, can you to imagine the Grauniad describing someone as “a self-confessed Labour supporter”?

and there's this as well

 

This picture of a corrupted BBC culture that is ideologically skewed towards the left is blindingly obvious to anyone who does not share those assumptions. It is a far deeper problem than the political partisanship recently let slip by Today presenter Jim Naughtie when he inadvertently referred to the Labour Party as ‘we’.

With a few honourable exceptions, the BBC views every issue through the prism of left-wing, secular, anti-western thinking. It is the Guardian of the air. It has a knee-jerk antipathy to America, the free market, big business, religion, British institutions, the Conservative party and Israel; it supports the human rights culture, the Palestinians, Irish republicanism, European integration, multiculturalism and a liberal attitude towards drugs and a host of social issues.


squiggle
i think the best thing gord and co could do
is have this woman removed from her house at mid-night take her to the back of the shed and have her shot
i mean what on earth was she thinking?
fancy questioning the great gordon on his immigration policies
silly old sod-shes worked hard all her life and she actually thinks that, THAT fact has earned her the right to ask a simple question without getting called a 'bigot' by the great man himself-how dare she!
serves her bloody well right-now other people will learn to keep their mouths shut

pirate1111
It always makes me laugh when people accuse the BBC - and in particular, its political editor Nick Robinson - of 'left-wing bias'. The bloke is a former president of Oxford Uni's Conservative association, where he was also a member of the toffs' Bullingdon Club, like Cameron, Boris, etc.
Then he was later president of the Young Conservatives.

My OH works at the Beeb and gets regular rants from people complaining of 'bias' - roughly equal from both left and right-wing perspectives. Which probably means, they're getting it about right.
Demantoid
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silly old sod-shes worked hard all her life and she actually thinks that, THAT fact has earned her the right to ask a simple question without getting called a 'bigot' by the great man himself-how dare she!
Surely if you want to ask questions it's simply polite (and helpful) if you listen to the answer without ranting on in another direction. Still she's got her face all over the press and a lucrative pay out ...........as a 'lifelong Labour' supporter she should be justifiably proud of herself ...............silly old trout
Soozy Woo
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If the BBC is biased towards the left then good on it, I say. It might help to balance things up a bit against the rabid right-wing Murdoch press
Not at all we have to get back to the way the BBC used to be.  We are all licence fee payers, of all political persuasions we deserve an impartial national broadcasting service.  We have the right to decide which newspaper to buy (or indeed whether to watch Sky) but we have no right to decide whether to pay the licence fee or not.
squiggle
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Surely if you want to ask questions it's simply polite (and helpful) if you listen to the answer without ranting on in another direction. Still she's got her face all over the press and a lucrative pay out ...........as a 'lifelong Labour' supporter she should be justifiably proud of herself ...............silly old trout
silly old trout or not-she doesnt deserve to be called a bigot
and if youve just been handed the opportunity to front the man thats knackered the country up, you know youve probably got only a few minutes to say what you want, so it tumbles out
you know like they do at PMQ when they all shout over each other and dont let each other speak and interupt each other
a bit like the 'silly old trout' did
pirate1111
"My OH works at the Beeb and gets regular rants from people complaining of 'bias' - roughly equal from both left and right-wing perspectives. Which probably means, they're getting it about right"....deman

I think that's about right. It's about looking at the bigger picture, and the beeb can be accused of a lot of things, but I agree that it constantly strives for balance. Now Sky on the other hand........
suzybean
Reference Demantoid Today at 14:26:
My OH works at the Beeb and gets regular rants from people complaining of 'bias' - roughly equal from both left and right-wing perspectives. Which probably means, they're getting it about right.
I agree, and this isn't just anecdotal. During the '92 election, there was a study into public perception of BBC political bias, broken down into which party people supported.
They found that Conservative supporters generally claimed that the BBC's reporting had a pro-left bias, Labour supporters generally accused the BBC of being pro-Government/Tory, while Lib-Dem supporters claimed the BBC was biased against them by only ever focusing on the other two parties...
Eugene's Lair

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