It's very , very sad Pirate 

There's a nurse just been on my telly screen. She says she's never seen anything like it and was fighting back the tears. I just wish I could hug her and those like her, and those firefighters who actually ran towards the danger 

Absolute tragedy. I can't bear to imagine how awful it must have been for the people stuck in there.

They're talking about the 'stay indoors' thing at the minute on the BBC News. I'm torn.  I'm all for getting out but if a fire has oxygen it will burn. I'm not gonna put an emote at the end of this post as there is none that is appropriate 

November 15, tenants raised their concerns..........to a private landlord    yes we know there are private landlords that have scruples but there are some that don't.......

I'm just wondering....where exactly, to those that's lost everything do they even start to pick up the pieces 

And on the other hand.....65 people's lives at least have been saved by the fire brigade 

Sprout posted:

November 15, tenants raised their concerns..........to a private landlord    yes we know there are private landlords that have scruples but there are some that don't.......

It looks like the landlord was the council who farmed out the tower to a management company

10pm and it's STILL ON FIRE

gavin barwell the tory that looks a bit like a golfball with teeth..he was housing officer, until this week when he lost his seat, he was told about the dangers of the local high rises

he ignored it

corbyn put forward a proposal to make housing safer..tories over ruled it

the fire service asked tories to put sprinklers in high rises..they said no

fire service asked for communial fire alarms-tories said no

boris johnson shut 3 fire stations local to the tower & when concern was expressed he told the bloke to 'get stuffed'

the cladding put on the tower was put there to make that tower 'more pleasing to the eye' for the nearby  'posh' neighbours that cladding acted like paper & set the block alight so quick

i tell ya..that tory bunch are b*stards

a few survivors have said that the block HAD TO GO & look how quick it went-in the history of fires in UK no block has ever been burnt down so quick

and the residents have been fighting to keep that block but tories want to 'refurbish' the area

ie

get rid of the blocks of flats so the monied people can buy the land & build

i know i sound like the nutter thats turned up

but im chatting facts

not bullshit

Pirate, I've read a lot of your fact elsewhere today mate so I know you're not a nutter

I nearly cried watching the news this morning, I just hope when the final count is published the number of people who lost their lives isn't as high as I fear it might be :sad:

Towering Inferno anyone?

How can every room be on fire all at the same time?

It's been gutted internally and looks like a hollow box

Something has gone terribly wrong 

May promises a 'Proper Investigation'. So is she saying that other investigations HAVEN'T  been proper?

Paraphrasing Siddiq Khan who was standing close to the burning tower block,

"So come down to the local markets and have yourselves a wonderful day here. What better a way to show your support for the local community"

Yep he said that around 10.30am live on BBC news yesterday

Lives have been horribly lost........people left shattered for the rest of their lives and ....................... it turns into a political argument..............I could cry!

Syd posted:

Lives have been horribly lost........people left shattered for the rest of their lives and ....................... it turns into a political argument..............I could cry!

Yep - I understand things need to be done, but the political comment leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth atm  (that's not to say that I don't think some of the points made are valid and some make my blood boil - it's just too raw and I'm not even directly affected)

Syd posted:

Lives have been horribly lost........people left shattered for the rest of their lives and ....................... it turns into a political argument..............I could cry!

Glad it's not just me then Syd 

but it IS political..its money saving & cuts & greed that have allowed this to happen

it might leave a bitter taste

but its GOT to be discussed as there are other blocks in the same predicament..no alarms, only 1 flight of stairs for fire escape (which would be used by both the residents & firefighters) no sprinklers, no fire doors, blocks covered in the same cladding

imagine if YOU lived in one of those blocks

would you sleep easy tonight?

pirate1111 posted:

but it IS political..its money saving & cuts & greed that have allowed this to happen

it might leave a bitter taste

but its GOT to be discussed as there are other blocks in the same predicament..no alarms, only 1 flight of stairs for fire escape (which would be used by both the residents & firefighters) no sprinklers, no fire doors, blocks covered in the same cladding

imagine if YOU lived in one of those blocks

would you sleep easy tonight?

No, I wouldn't sleep, and I would most probably be looking for 'someone' to blame,...........but...........making it into looking for a 'political party' to blame, or the 'rich' is not in my opinion the way to move forward after such a loss of life and trauma...............

This stuff does need 'outing' and made political though and that's the only post I'll make on here tonight as I am now logging off  

This link is not political as such but there are people to blame.... This was posted in November 2016  And other concerns were voiced even earlier than that.

It's tragic, made even more so when you realise that those people who lost their lives could possibly have been some of the very same people who were crying out for things to be made safer last year... 

https://grenfellactiongroup.wo...o-playing-with-fire/

I can't believe the latest figures.    To use fire resistant panels for cladding instead of the ones they used would have cost £2 each more.    A total 'saving' of £5000.   What cost all those lives?  

I haven't read/watched much about this until tonight - absolutely harrowing hearing about those people who knew they weren't going to make it.    God help those families.

A good story in all this, clever lady probably saved her 6yr old daughter

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/15/...was-rescued-6711541/

I can't understand how the fire spread to every room all at the same time?

Just to clarify

I did not make the comments about the Mayor of London as a political statement.

It was made almost as a running commentary of the mornings events and also out of shock toward the inappropriate nature of his comment.

HtH

Saint posted:

Just to clarify

I did not make the comments about the Mayor of London as a political statement.

It was made almost as a running commentary of the mornings events and also out of shock toward the inappropriate nature of his comment.

 

HtH

I don't think anyone read it as such Renton 

Saint posted:

I can't understand how the fire spread to every room all at the same time?

from what i read, the cladding had a gap between each side of the tower & the gap was metal & with cladding either side of it, the gap acted as a chimney & the flames went straight up

obviously, the bloke who said it was just guessing, cos theres been no examination of the tower yet but it seems possible

something else i read earlier

May has called for an inquiry, an inquiry involves just those that call it ie in this case tory government who will present the evidence that they choose to present, call their own experts in & none of the victims or survivors can have their say

an inquest means an impartial judge will listen to both sides, victims can bring in witnesses, evidence, experts etc..of their choosing, they can prove their case with the written statements that were sent to council as far back as a few years, where they warned of the dangers & lack of safety in the block

May chooses the inquiry

and that should tell you a lot

The establishment are going to whitewash this, no one of any importance will get the blame.

May says 'All the residents should be rehoused WITHIN THREE WEEKS'! I appreciate it is not an easy situation, but up to three weeks? And what's happening to them/for them in the meantime?

Apparently the local shopping centre offered to do something  to help these people 'immediately', but were turned down by the council. If this is true you can readily understand why  various residents bodies want the council excluded from 'assistance talks'!

Why were they turned down Fluffs?   anyone else know?

I'm afraid I don't know Sprout. I couldn't see anything more on this other than that one report.

BLOODY HELL!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

In his letter, Jeremy Corbyn noted that the government had made it clear that displaced residents would be locally rehoused. But, he wrote:

It now appears that the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea may not be as committed to ensuring that all are re-housed locally. Your public re-commitment to this is imperative as part of an unequivocal, wider statement that the government will do all it can to provide timely practical support to those who have suffered so much. In this context, I note the announcement of the first government investment of £5million. Given the magnitude and scale of the crisis, this will clearly not be sufficient and I therefore await information regarding further funding plans.

On a related matter, I believe that an attitude of generosity and compassion in relation to the costs of funeral expenses and ensuring that it is possible for families living outside the UK to travel here to attend funerals, as well as participate in the inquiry, is also warranted in such a tragic situation. This is particularly the case given the circumstances of many of the Grenfell Tower residents, including the number of bereaved families who may be resident overseas and the costs of burial and cremation. As was also raised at yesterday’s brief discussion in the Grand Committee, I would expect that the Home Office guarantees the replacement, as a matter of urgent priority, of all documentation for those affected.

The more I read the more permanemt become the tears!