quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:Thank Bog you people weren't around when Churchill was kicking Hitler's bottom all through Europe.
Winston Churchill was the perfect choice for Prime Minister during that period but look how the country treated him afterwards! Shameful IMO.
He spurred the nation and we kicked those thugs out of Europe. If it weren't for his leadership, I dread to think what this country would be like now.
I will always admire his tenacity (and bulldog spirit).
I hope our DD Veterans have a good day tomorrow. Bless 'em all.
quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
He wanted the job - he got it.
quote:My 85yo Dad tells us about his involvement in D-Day. Yet we now know through Sarkozy that us Brits did not have an input. I expect that Dad made his own medals.
quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
Slash unecessary public spending, for starters.
Give us a referendumm on Europe and stick with the result.
Force banks legally to offer first time buyers 95% mortgages without usurious interest rates.
Repeal all unecessary stealth taxes.
That's 4 for a kick-off. Anyone else have any notions?
quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
Slash unecessary public spending, for starters.
and what is considered unnecessary?, winter fuel allowance, free oap public travel
Give us a referendumm on Europe and stick with the result.
Force banks legally to offer first time buyers 95% mortgages without usurious interest rates.
Repeal all unecessary stealth taxes.
again what is unnecessary?
That's 4 for a kick-off. Anyone else have any notions?
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
Slash unecessary public spending, for starters.
Give us a referendumm on Europe and stick with the result.
Force banks legally to offer first time buyers 95% mortgages without usurious interest rates.
Repeal all unecessary stealth taxes.
That's 4 for a kick-off. Anyone else have any notions?
So basically no change to the economic system at all. Government for and by big business and plenty of tax breaks. Thirty years of Thatcherism and on it continues........
quote:Originally posted by machel:quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
Slash unecessary public spending, for starters.
and what is considered unnecessary?, winter fuel allowance, free oap public travel - Councils hiring outreach workers instead of collecting your bins once a week, every week.
Give us a referendumm on Europe and stick with the result.
Force banks legally to offer first time buyers 95% mortgages without usurious interest rates.
Repeal all unecessary stealth taxes.
again what is unnecessary? ADT, HIP's, CGT thresholds
That's 4 for a kick-off. Anyone else have any notions?
yes i have a notion, keep cameron out Well that's not going to happen, bad luck!
quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
Slash unecessary public spending, for starters.
Give us a referendumm on Europe and stick with the result.
Force banks legally to offer first time buyers 95% mortgages without usurious interest rates.
Repeal all unecessary stealth taxes.
That's 4 for a kick-off. Anyone else have any notions?
So basically no change to the economic system at all. Government for and by big business and plenty of tax breaks. Thirty years of Thatcherism and on it continues........
And you'd not want a cheaper mortgage? I ask agaion, where are your notions for a way out?
quote:My 85yo Dad tells us about his involvement in D-Day. Yet we now know through Sarkozy that us Brits did not have an input. I expect that Dad made his own medals.
quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:...so...WHAT WOULD THE TORIES DO ???
Slash unecessary public spending, for starters.
Give us a referendumm on Europe and stick with the result.
Force banks legally to offer first time buyers 95% mortgages without usurious interest rates.
Repeal all unecessary stealth taxes.
That's 4 for a kick-off. Anyone else have any notions?
quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:My 85yo Dad tells us about his involvement in D-Day. Yet we now know through Sarkozy that us Brits did not have an input. I expect that Dad made his own medals.
We played a big part in the D-Day Landings.
They were even doing a re-enactment this morning on the BBC of how the men were dropped into France by the famous Dakotas.
Oh, maybe it wasn't the British Allies who took Pegasus Bridge after all.
The Americans like to think they won the war after all so maybe we should afford them the honour instead.
Sorry, forgot something. Just wanted to say 'Bloody Sarkozy - how dare he invite Obama and not our Queen who, after all, did play her own part in the War'.
What an awful snub to our Queen and to all those fantastic veterans.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
It is not true that the Conservatives are the worst offenders. There have been just as many, if not more, Labour MP's caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.
It's not a party political thing is it?
They have all used the accepted system to their advantage.
Anyone on here who ever worked in "Local Government and Corruption" will know exactly how this situation arose.
quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I like Gordon Brown. It would be shameful if there was now a General Election - which I believe will be called for very soon - and the Tories got in by default. Looking at the lists of 'flippers' and pee-takers using taxpayers' money to float their duck-boats/houses/moats, it has to be said that the worst offenders are the Conservaties. Sometimes, it is better the devil you know. The country needs to be aware that you can change one government for another but there is no guarantee that the new one will be any better. It could be worse.
I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
It is not true that the Conservatives are the worst offenders. There have been just as many, if not more, Labour MP's caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.
They have all been 'at it' but it appears, from the lists I read, that the biggest offenders have been the Tories. They have been doing it in style as befits their status (moats, manure, duck houses, et al).
The reason I want GB to stay is that he has not been taking the pee out of us taxpayers and has claimed for very little in the scheme of things which makes me think that an honest Prime Minister (albeit that some of his colleagues are not so squeaky clean) is much better than an unknown quantity who may or may not have been so transparent. Honesty and integrity are still good currency whatever your politics.
quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
He wanted the job - he got it.
true, but he was handed a poisoned chalice and whatever person became Prime Minister that person would have had to deal with the self-same crisis. Whatever his political affiliations.
quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:My 85yo Dad tells us about his involvement in D-Day. Yet we now know through Sarkozy that us Brits did not have an input. I expect that Dad made his own medals.
We played a big part in the D-Day Landings.
They were even doing a re-enactment this morning on the BBC of how the men were dropped into France by the famous Dakotas.
Oh, maybe it wasn't the British Allies who took Pegasus Bridge after all.
The Americans like to think they won the war after all so maybe we should afford them the honour instead.
Sorry, forgot something. Just wanted to say 'Bloody Sarkozy - how dare he invite Obama and not our Queen who, after all, did play her own part in the War'.
What an awful snub to our Queen and to all those fantastic veterans.
quote:I agree H. It was ok for the Brits to go to France in 1944 in vast numbers but somehow in 2009 they are not so welcome. It seems that photo opportunities with Mr Obama are what matters to the French today. The Queen might clutter up the photos so to speak. It is a slight to the British that they are airbrushed out of history and treated like an also-ran, when France today is littered with cemeteries of the British dead. Shameful and ungrateful.
quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:I agree H. It was ok for the Brits to go to France in 1944 in vast numbers but somehow in 2009 they are not so welcome. It seems that photo opportunities with Mr Obama are what matters to the French today. The Queen might clutter up the photos so to speak. It is a slight to the British that they are airbrushed out of history and treated like an also-ran, when France today is littered with cemeteries of the British dead. Shameful and ungrateful.
Beautifully put Tullyanna.
I feel it is a slight to my father who fought and died for this country. I think that is why I feel so mad about it. How dare Sarkozy sideline us. If it weren't for our British (and Commonwealth) Forces, France would have been overrun and let's not forget that they capitulated within six weeks of being invaded.
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
I wish someone could come up with a list of what is or isnt "necessary",
quote:28 million Russian men women and children died while their country took everything Hitler could throw at them as he tried to defeat them before the allies could be ready to attack,
so yeah lets not overlook Russia and its contribution to the defeat of the Nazis,
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:My 85yo Dad tells us about his involvement in D-Day. Yet we now know through Sarkozy that us Brits did not have an input. I expect that Dad made his own medals.
We played a big part in the D-Day Landings.
They were even doing a re-enactment this morning on the BBC of how the men were dropped into France by the famous Dakotas.
Oh, maybe it wasn't the British Allies who took Pegasus Bridge after all.
The Americans like to think they won the war after all so maybe we should afford them the honour instead.
Sorry, forgot something. Just wanted to say 'Bloody Sarkozy - how dare he invite Obama and not our Queen who, after all, did play her own part in the War'.
What an awful snub to our Queen and to all those fantastic veterans.
if any ONE nation could be said to have "won" the war it would be Russia,
the Americans DID help, but they DO seem to have this rather strange idea that WE were as good as beaten until they came RUSHING to our rescue in 1941/42
when WE had stood alone against Hitler since 1940,
and that the brave RAF pilots had defeated the then, greatest airforce the world had ever seen despite being massively outnumbered,
and that Hitler had given up his plans to invade us(as a direct result of loosing the fight for domenance in the air)
and turned his attentions onto the brave peoples of Russia, who bought us AND the Americans enough time to gather our strength and train our forces and to assemble the D-day invasion fleet,
28 million Russian men women and children died while their country took everything Hitler could throw at them as he tried to defeat them before the allies could be ready to attack,
so yeah lets not overlook Russia and its contribution to the defeat of the Nazis,
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I like Gordon Brown. It would be shameful if there was now a General Election - which I believe will be called for very soon - and the Tories got in by default. Looking at the lists of 'flippers' and pee-takers using taxpayers' money to float their duck-boats/houses/moats, it has to be said that the worst offenders are the Conservaties. Sometimes, it is better the devil you know. The country needs to be aware that you can change one government for another but there is no guarantee that the new one will be any better. It could be worse.
I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
It is not true that the Conservatives are the worst offenders. There have been just as many, if not more, Labour MP's caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.
They have all been 'at it' but it appears, from the lists I read, that the biggest offenders have been the Tories. They have been doing it in style as befits their status (moats, manure, duck houses, et al).
The reason I want GB to stay is that he has not been taking the pee out of us taxpayers and has claimed for very little in the scheme of things which makes me think that an honest Prime Minister (albeit that some of his colleagues are not so squeaky clean) is much better than an unknown quantity who may or may not have been so transparent. Honesty and integrity are still good currency whatever your politics.
No the duck houses and the moats just make for good headlines. Flipping houses and claiming for mortgages which no longer exist have not been the sole prerogative of one party.
quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I agree H. It was ok for the Brits to go to France in 1944 in vast numbers but somehow in 2009 they are not so welcome. It seems that photo opportunities with Mr Obama are what matters to the French today. The Queen might clutter up the photos so to speak. It is a slight to the British that they are airbrushed out of history and treated like an also-ran, when France today is littered with cemeteries of the British dead. Shameful and ungrateful.
quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I like Gordon Brown. It would be shameful if there was now a General Election - which I believe will be called for very soon - and the Tories got in by default. Looking at the lists of 'flippers' and pee-takers using taxpayers' money to float their duck-boats/houses/moats, it has to be said that the worst offenders are the Conservaties. Sometimes, it is better the devil you know. The country needs to be aware that you can change one government for another but there is no guarantee that the new one will be any better. It could be worse.
I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
It is not true that the Conservatives are the worst offenders. There have been just as many, if not more, Labour MP's caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.
They have all been 'at it' but it appears, from the lists I read, that the biggest offenders have been the Tories. They have been doing it in style as befits their status (moats, manure, duck houses, et al).
The reason I want GB to stay is that he has not been taking the pee out of us taxpayers and has claimed for very little in the scheme of things which makes me think that an honest Prime Minister (albeit that some of his colleagues are not so squeaky clean) is much better than an unknown quantity who may or may not have been so transparent. Honesty and integrity are still good currency whatever your politics.
No the duck houses and the moats just make for good headlines. Flipping houses and claiming for mortgages which no longer exist have not been the sole prerogative of one party.
I agree. They have all been 'at it'. My point is about Gordon Brown. He has not been 'at it' and his honesty and integrity throughout this whole shambles has proved that he is an honourable man and a man worthy to be Prime Minister. His expenses can be checked with 100 magnifying glasses and nothing can be found to discredit him.
quote:Gordon Brown has been at it. He has fiddled along with the rest of 'em.
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I like Gordon Brown. It would be shameful if there was now a General Election - which I believe will be called for very soon - and the Tories got in by default. Looking at the lists of 'flippers' and pee-takers using taxpayers' money to float their duck-boats/houses/moats, it has to be said that the worst offenders are the Conservaties. Sometimes, it is better the devil you know. The country needs to be aware that you can change one government for another but there is no guarantee that the new one will be any better. It could be worse.
I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
It is not true that the Conservatives are the worst offenders. There have been just as many, if not more, Labour MP's caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.
They have all been 'at it' but it appears, from the lists I read, that the biggest offenders have been the Tories. They have been doing it in style as befits their status (moats, manure, duck houses, et al).
The reason I want GB to stay is that he has not been taking the pee out of us taxpayers and has claimed for very little in the scheme of things which makes me think that an honest Prime Minister (albeit that some of his colleagues are not so squeaky clean) is much better than an unknown quantity who may or may not have been so transparent. Honesty and integrity are still good currency whatever your politics.
No the duck houses and the moats just make for good headlines. Flipping houses and claiming for mortgages which no longer exist have not been the sole prerogative of one party.
I agree. They have all been 'at it'. My point is about Gordon Brown. He has not been 'at it' and his honesty and integrity throughout this whole shambles has proved that he is an honourable man and a man worthy to be Prime Minister. His expenses can be checked with 100 magnifying glasses and nothing can be found to discredit him.
Gordon Brown has been at it. He has fiddled along with the rest of 'em.
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I agree H. It was ok for the Brits to go to France in 1944 in vast numbers but somehow in 2009 they are not so welcome. It seems that photo opportunities with Mr Obama are what matters to the French today. The Queen might clutter up the photos so to speak. It is a slight to the British that they are airbrushed out of history and treated like an also-ran, when France today is littered with cemeteries of the British dead. Shameful and ungrateful.
Great story in the paper last week about someone who took his Dad and Father-in-Law to the 60th Anniversary, they both landed on Gold beach on D Day. They were stopped by the gendarmes and asked for their tickets and his Dad said "I didn't need a bloody ticket 60 years ago and I don't need one now". They let them straight through and gave them a police escort.
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I agree H. It was ok for the Brits to go to France in 1944 in vast numbers but somehow in 2009 they are not so welcome. It seems that photo opportunities with Mr Obama are what matters to the French today. The Queen might clutter up the photos so to speak. It is a slight to the British that they are airbrushed out of history and treated like an also-ran, when France today is littered with cemeteries of the British dead. Shameful and ungrateful.
Great story in the paper last week about someone who took his Dad and Father-in-Law to the 60th Anniversary, they both landed on Gold beach on D Day. They were stopped by the gendarmes and asked for their tickets and his Dad said "I didn't need a bloody ticket 60 years ago and I don't need one now". They let them straight through and gave them a police escort.
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
Gordon Brown has been at it. He has fiddled along with the rest of 'em.
quote:Originally posted by Tam:
gordon browns a prick
quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I agree H. It was ok for the Brits to go to France in 1944 in vast numbers but somehow in 2009 they are not so welcome. It seems that photo opportunities with Mr Obama are what matters to the French today. The Queen might clutter up the photos so to speak. It is a slight to the British that they are airbrushed out of history and treated like an also-ran, when France today is littered with cemeteries of the British dead. Shameful and ungrateful.
Great story in the paper last week about someone who took his Dad and Father-in-Law to the 60th Anniversary, they both landed on Gold beach on D Day. They were stopped by the gendarmes and asked for their tickets and his Dad said "I didn't need a bloody ticket 60 years ago and I don't need one now". They let them straight through and gave them a police escort.
I read that too. Priceless. There was another letter in the Mail last week that caught my eye. It was written by a D Day veteran who has chosen not to take part in any of the hoo ha. He said he was the first man off the boat on one particular beach. He remembered his comrades who did not come back as he did, and was saddened by the thoughts. It was a very poignant letter and at the end of the letter he put 'and God Bless Her Majesty the Queen'. These two people deserve to be there tomorrow if anyone does. I hope the French read THAT letter.
quote:Originally posted by Cadoxton:quote:The simple fact is that he continued with the Thatcherite experiment and it exploded in his face just like Karlo said it would.
As the noted philosopher/womanising hero Bill Clinton said, "It's the economy stupid!"
I can't concede your argument, not after 10 years of Labour "rule". Maggie Thatcher resigned years ago and is nowe an irrelevance in politics. Anyone blaming her for our woes NOW is just barking up the wrong tree. Brown as Chancellor sold most of our gold reserves ate $275 an ounce and gold is now worth over $900 an ounce.
Yes it is the economy and Brown has been the stupid one. We're up to our eyes in debt and taxes, all engendered by Brown to fund his crass public spending. Outreach Worker, anyone?
quote:Originally posted by Tam:
gordon browns a prick
quote:forgive me but wasnt it Maggie Thatcher who introduced the second home allowance
quote:Originally posted by china:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tullyanna:
I like Gordon Brown. It would be shameful if there was now a General Election - which I believe will be called for very soon - and the Tories got in by default. Looking at the lists of 'flippers' and pee-takers using taxpayers' money to float their duck-boats/houses/moats, it has to be said that the worst offenders are the Conservaties. Sometimes, it is better the devil you know. The country needs to be aware that you can change one government for another but there is no guarantee that the new one will be any better. It could be worse.
I want Gordon Brown to remain as Prime Minister and I hope he survives this present crisis. The son of the manse has integrity, prudence and he is a nice kind family man who has been unlucky to have been Prime Minister when the whole world, and not just Britain, is in financial meltdown. He is not to blame.
It is not true that the Conservatives are the worst offenders. There have been just as many, if not more, Labour MP's caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.
They have all been 'at it' but it appears, from the lists I read, that the biggest offenders have been the Tories. They have been doing it in style as befits their status (moats, manure, duck houses, et al).
The reason I want GB to stay is that he has not been taking the pee out of us taxpayers and has claimed for very little in the scheme of things which makes me think that an honest Prime Minister (albeit that some of his colleagues are not so squeaky clean) is much better than an unknown quantity who may or may not have been so transparent. Honesty and integrity are still good currency whatever your politics.
No the duck houses and the moats just make for good headlines. Flipping houses and claiming for mortgages which no longer exist have not been the sole prerogative of one party.
I agree. They have all been 'at it'. My point is about Gordon Brown. He has not been 'at it' and his honesty and integrity throughout this whole shambles has proved that he is an honourable man and a man worthy to be Prime Minister. His expenses can be checked with 100 magnifying glasses and nothing can be found to discredit him.
Gordon Brown has been at it. He has fiddled along with the rest of 'em.
is the same mr brown who's lived in downing street for 12 years whilst buying a property in his wifes name to avoid paying some sort of tax (?) then claiming for the kitchen to be re-furbished over two seperate periods of time so he could claim the maximum amount on his cheat-sheet (claims form)
nah!
surely our honest clean as whistle mr brown wouldnt cheat the country!
would he?
