quote:Originally posted by The Guru:quote:Originally posted by storm:
I have never been a massive fan of Siavash, as I think he is dead boring, but oh dear, telling us we should start giving our money to Africa! Who does he think he is?! I am so glad Marcus gave him what for!
This country has never been in such severe financial strife, with people losing their homes and jobs and livelihoods, left right and centre, and he comes out with a doozy like this! How ignorant and naive is he, to come out with something like this?!
Shut the heck up Siavash, stick to wearing ridiculous clothes and silly make up, and trying to create an image that no-one else in the world would want to copy.
And this using the f-word every seventh word or so, for no particular reason, as part of a normal conversation, is totally narking me off now. Can you imagine the furore if one of the girls did this?!
Can't help thinking that Siavash is trying to be something he isn't. I am under the impression that the Siavash we are seeing, is not the real person, as he seems very fake to me. To be honest, he sounds and looks plain silly to me.
If he is up next, I will be voting for him. Unless he is up against Sree, then I will vote for him, but I would be quite happy to see Siavash go. He is pointless and boring and brings nothing to the house, and on top of that, he talks crap too.
What a sh!t reason to go off someone.
I doubt that you ever really liked the dude.
quote:People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
Definitely, if there is a transparency in it then we can see how much is going to were and to whom.. But we dont see all that... Its a business like Tesco, Argos, PC world etc and profits have to be made sadly on the back of good Samaritans who are still not seeing any change...quote:Originally posted by WILDER X:quote:People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
I agree when you do give to charity you don't know where the money going. It could be falling into the wrong hands for all we know.
I agree probably half of the money does not get to the people in these countries, but Britain gives more than most countries dont see what else Siavash thinks we can do, for him to say we could have it taken off our wages via tax is making it compulsary, his mother country is it Iran what do they do for Africa not a lot attack them not us for not doing enough.quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
Definitely, if there is a transparency in it then we can see how much is going to were and to whom.. But we dont see all that... Its a business like Tesco, Argos, PC world etc and profits have to be made sadly on the back of good Samaritans who are still not seeing any change...[/QUOTE]quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
I agree when you do give to charity you don't know where the money going. It could be falling into the wrong hands for all we know.
quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
As did Germany, Holland, Portugal, France etc. I'm not attacking Britain by agreeing here. quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
I didnt want to be one to say it because I know some people will hound me for it but I agree with you... A lot was and is still been stolen from that continent... Most of the natural resources and products we consume are from the great continent... Siavesh had his mind in the right place but said it out the wrong way.... Marcus was just talking like a typical British with a limited knowledge of history...quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
I commend you for that but I have heard of corruption and Im too reluctant... When I graduate and get established, I would go back and use my money directly to help not put money in the pockets of shareholders of charities...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
pce There are charities that make sure that all the money given goes directly to aid the people. The trick is to avoid the big big charities and give to the smaller organisations, we have, for instance, supported one that rescues orphan children from scouring rubbish dumps to make a living (in South Africa) and as I said earlier on in the thread me and my OH have given to help the people in Africa for 45 years. I would hate people to be put off from giving to charities thinking that they are all corrupt, some are certainly not and desperately need the small amount that means nothing to us and means the difference between life and death to them.
quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
Now they wonder why the continent is in this state... This the reason for the imbalance of wealth we see today..quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
They were all at it, Britain included. No one is blameless. It wasn't all a case of Doctor Livingstone I presume.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:I commend you for that but I have heard of corruption and Im too reluctant... When I graduate and get established, I would go back and use my money directly to help not put money in the pockets of shareholders of charities...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
pce There are charities that make sure that all the money given goes directly to aid the people. The trick is to avoid the big big charities and give to the smaller organisations, we have, for instance, supported one that rescues orphan children from scouring rubbish dumps to make a living (in South Africa) and as I said earlier on in the thread me and my OH have given to help the people in Africa for 45 years. I would hate people to be put off from giving to charities thinking that they are all corrupt, some are certainly not and desperately need the small amount that means nothing to us and means the difference between life and death to them.
Each of those farmers had 100-200 acres of land each while the black farmers had nothing.... There was still supremacy and apartheid after their independence....quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Each of those farmers had 100-200 acres of land each while the black farmers had nothing.... There was still supremacy and apartheid after their independence....quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
Hey hun im a spiritual Christian i.e I pray and worship my God on my own... Yes I have bought a few items from small projects like that...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:I commend you for that but I have heard of corruption and Im too reluctant... When I graduate and get established, I would go back and use my money directly to help not put money in the pockets of shareholders of charities...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
People say they give to charities but from the ÂĢ2 a month you give to this charities, ÂĢ1.99 is pocketed...... and then the remains are given back and by the time it reaches the people noting is left because of corruption etc....
Charity is big business the way some churches are big businesses... I always say if you want to help go there yourself and see your money go into good use... Take Madonna and Oprah for example they are there putting their monies to good use by building schools, providing clean water etc... Do we hear of this in the news?
No but we hear that ÂĢ50 million was raised for comic relief? how much do you really thinks goes back?
pce There are charities that make sure that all the money given goes directly to aid the people. The trick is to avoid the big big charities and give to the smaller organisations, we have, for instance, supported one that rescues orphan children from scouring rubbish dumps to make a living (in South Africa) and as I said earlier on in the thread me and my OH have given to help the people in Africa for 45 years. I would hate people to be put off from giving to charities thinking that they are all corrupt, some are certainly not and desperately need the small amount that means nothing to us and means the difference between life and death to them.
pce I am interested, I have heard you mention that you are a Christian. Do they never have people that come to your church with their small projects to gain people's supports where, with dvd shows etc., you can see for yourself the difference they make in people's lives?
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
Some sources say Mugabe was initially put in as a figure head just like Saddam... Corruption + Colonisation + underground politic from the West is the problems that most African countries are facing...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Each of those farmers had 100-200 acres of land each while the black farmers had nothing.... There was still supremacy and apartheid after their independence....quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
As I said the system was wrong wrong wrong, but so it is now as well, even worse as people are starving. It would have been so wonderful to have a black statesman who would have continued the prosperity engendered by the whites.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Hey hun im a spiritual Christian i.e I pray and worship my God on my own... Yes I have bought a few items from small projects like that...
) and also small loans so people could buy things like a sewing machine to start a small business. When they were up and running they would pay back the loan and then someone else could be helped. It was very heartening to see the difference that could be made.quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Some sources say Mugabe was initially put in as a figure head just like Saddam... Corruption + Colonisation + underground politic from the West is the problems that most African countries are facing...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Each of those farmers had 100-200 acres of land each while the black farmers had nothing.... There was still supremacy and apartheid after their independence....quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
As I said the system was wrong wrong wrong, but so it is now as well, even worse as people are starving. It would have been so wonderful to have a black statesman who would have continued the prosperity engendered by the whites.
If only we knew what the government is keeping from us...
I would definitely give to a Church based charity like thatquote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Hey hun im a spiritual Christian i.e I pray and worship my God on my own... Yes I have bought a few items from small projects like that...
Oh I see. In our church a few months ago we had a visit from a small group and they showed us the difference they are making. A small African village, the pastor there was involved in the dvd and investments are being made in bringing clean water, raising crops for food and for sale and for projects such as loaning money to buy maybe a couple of goats for milk and raising kids (baby goats of course
. The commercial ones ummmmh im not so sure...quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
but the bread was not going into all the right and most deserving baskets squiggle.
People from Zim are saying he was back in the 80s when he was a yes manquote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Some sources say Mugabe was initially put in as a figure head just like Saddam... Corruption + Colonisation + underground politic from the West is the problems that most African countries are facing...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Each of those farmers had 100-200 acres of land each while the black farmers had nothing.... There was still supremacy and apartheid after their independence....quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
As I said the system was wrong wrong wrong, but so it is now as well, even worse as people are starving. It would have been so wonderful to have a black statesman who would have continued the prosperity engendered by the whites.
If only we knew what the government is keeping from us...
I don't really think that Mugabe could have been put in by the British Government, he hates our guts!
.... Why single out Mugabe amongst the thousands of Dictators in Africa and in the East?Yep the rich stayed rich and the poor got poorer....quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
It has to be remembered that the British Empire dabbled in Africa and extracted the best the continent had to offer. Some of these present and recently past despots were actually planted there by Britain as expedient to British interests and commerce. Marcus failed to make that point. I am British also, but history tells us that being truthful and realistic about past events has to be addressed when looking at present day events. And making a connection.
The protests in Iran are a case in point. Why single Britain out for special mention?
Siavash is my favourite HM but I think perhaps he should have remained mute on the subject of aid to Africa. And quoted some realistic and truthful history rather than spouting off about ice cream taxes.
I strongly disapproved of white supremacy as in Southern Rhodesia before it became Zimbabwe BUT when those (mainly or mostly white) farmers ran the farms and the country it was called the bread basket of Africa.
but the bread was not going into all the right and most deserving baskets squiggle.
Yep girl you changed the thread but it was a nice discussion...quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
BOT Siavash should not have started a discussion about this at all. Britain and the people of Britain are at liberty to allot aid to whomsoever they please.
Sorry for deviating from the OT.
I will forgive him this one oversight as he is my favourite lol
Did you live there? Its a shame for the country but after British and American accounts were withdrawn it all went downhill... Mugabe gave the farmers an ultimatum to share the land but they greedily wanted to keep 100-200acres of land per one farmer saying that they inherited it now that's pure wickedness...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
When I referred to "the bread basket of Africa" incidentally I was pointing out what a naturally fertile country it used to be in my lifetime. To see it laid to waste now when it should be feeding its people is painful.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Did you live there? Its a shame for the country but after British and American accounts were withdrawn it all went downhill... Mugabe gave the farmers an ultimatum to share the land but they greedily wanted to keep 100-200acres of land per one farmer saying that they inherited it now that's pure wickedness...quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
When I referred to "the bread basket of Africa" incidentally I was pointing out what a naturally fertile country it used to be in my lifetime. To see it laid to waste now when it should be feeding its people is painful.
quote:Originally posted by Marguerita:
I agree with most of the posts above but I feel they are missing the point regardless to what country did what going back in history ,it is Mr Joe public he was talking about not giving enough even if they gave ÂĢ2 and most of it was not paid to these countries which is awful ,they are still giving their their money out of their pockets as a gift to what they can afford,he said he thinks it should be taken off of their taxes I give money every month to 3 of my favourite charites because I want to but it would not go down very well if it was automatically taken off me in taxes ,we do more than most countries and it will never be enough their own government wont help their own people in Africa ,we help with food running water medication for the sick all basic stuff we take for granted it will never be enough ,but I feel the ordinary joe bloggs are very good with handing over their money and should be applauded
quote:Originally posted by Marguerita:
I agree with most of the posts above but I feel they are missing the point regardless to what country did what going back in history ,it is Mr Joe public he was talking about not giving enough even if they gave ÂĢ2 and most of it was not paid to these countries which is awful ,they are still giving their their money out of their pockets as a gift to what they can afford,he said he thinks it should be taken off of their taxes I give money every month to 3 of my favourite charites because I want to but it would not go down very well if it was automatically taken off me in taxes ,we do more than most countries and it will never be enough their own government wont help their own people in Africa ,we help with food running water medication for the sick all basic stuff we take for granted it will never be enough ,but I feel the ordinary joe bloggs are very good with handing over their money and should be applauded
