This is the place to live if you're a violent thug.

And there's a bonus.

If you get banged up you can carry on regardless inside 

I'd be interested to know what put those ideas into her head. How did those thoughts get there.
Drink alone wouldn't do it. Something put these ideas into her head.
I wonder how she sees "right" and "wrong".

I'm not sure if she understands right and wrong. It's interesting that she had a history of violent behaviour: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12283937

The sentences they got can hardly be deemed as a deterrent to others,6 and 7 years for taking a life,disgraceful.

Would it be too PC to suggest that she may have grown up around too much homophobic 'free speech'? 

Well she has to have learned it somewhere, Lizzie, so I think you're right. What's chilling is the enjoyment she seems to have taken in doing this. It strongly suggests she has deep mental health problems.

Absolutely, PC.
She sounds like she has deep anger issues, certainly!

This story sickens and saddens me.  Why so much hate?

I hoped that as we evolved we might become more tolerant but nowadays it seems people are still attacked for standing out. We were deeply upset when the goths were beaten to death.

I wonder if they ever think their actions are going to result in a death? My brain tells me if I kick someone in the head over and over and again and stamp on their head that they will be either badly hurt or die.
 Even when death does occur they don't seem to show any remorse and the sentences handed out don't seem to show how serious the crime is.

There's no room in today's world for homophobia, what a horrid girl!

Another sad aspect his sexuality aside, is he was 62yrs old fgs! Poor bloke, last thing he hears in his life is abuse and hate

This is devastating and vile   The girl is definately not all there and I think she should have got life for this gruesome murder.  I agree with what someone said earlier, that i don't buy it that it was the 'booze' that did it.  I and everyone I know have been drunk as a lord on occasions and don't go around sttacking (and killing) people.  And the way that she shouted homophobic remarks at him tells me she was proper full of hate for gays. 

What on earth is wrong in someones head, and what have they been taught growing up, and what has happened in their life to make them full of so much hatred for someone who has done them no harm, just because they are gay?  His family must be devastated.  Horrible horrible story.  And what an evil girl. 

Another sad piece of news.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12295718


By the way this girl could be out in 2 & a half years. And Tommy Sheridan gets 3 years for lying.

a pathetic light sentence.............still she'll be ok locked up....a few days ago i posted on another thread about 3 teenage boys in my town who were convicted of the manslaughter of a homeless man.......and how one of the boys was on facebook whilst inside...

he's happily posting away again today boasting how he's going to get drunk when he gets out in may..(he worded it differently but can't say it on here)...and his profile picture he boasts is of..'wen i was arrested'..........he's also commented 'i'm ment 2 b in jail.but i'm jus chillin'....

I'd say you're probably spot on. 

I think you might be right PC....

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/n..._killer_Ruby_Thomas/

Oh, that poor, poor girl - growing up with an abusive father that was jailed for murder and was so traumatised by her visits with him that she cried after each visit. Oh, boo bloody hoo.

Hundreds of children grow up in abusive homes, with two parents that don't give a damn what happens to them and they don't commit such hateful crimes.  Her mother saved money so she could go to public school, obviously an attempt to straighten her out.  She should have saved her money.

Nope, no sympathy for that girl at all.

Her father is a murderer. He`s in mental institution for threatening to murder again. I`m no expert but it suggests to me she may have inherited his genes.

Her father is a murderer. He`s in mental institution for threatening to murder again. I`m no expert but it suggests to me she may have inherited his genes.

Can you inherit a propensity for violence?  I honestly have no idea.  I know you can inherit physical traits and some forms of mental illness, but violence tendencies?  I really hope not.

I know that there are cycles that are hard to break, regarding domestic violence.  Children that witness domestic abuse go on to either abuse or be abused.  That's bad enough.  The thought that murders could beget murders is just too horrendous to contemplate.

As far as I'm aware (and I'm certainly willing to be corrected), the evidence is that nurture has far more to do with it than nature. That's why victims of abuse often perpetuate the abuse. Apart from anything else, they've learned from a young age that violence / abuse, etc. equals someone paying them attention - the nearest they can get to love.

Having said that, I do not believe that Ruby Thomas should just be allowed to get away with things like this. No matter what her background, a part of her must know that there are boundaries you don't cross. What I am saying is that I don't believe that punishment is the answer. Prison doesn't work, and there are many studies which prove that.

Yes, I feel the need for retribution as much as the next person and I understand people wanting to use prison in that way. Unfortunately, if all you do is lock someone up and then chuck them back on the street at the end of it, they're very unlikely to change for the better.

The thing that stood out for me in that article was how Ruby Thomas was in tears after visiting her father.  Her visits with him were obviously emotional, but why?  And what were the circumstances of the murder he commited?  Was his murder also a hate crime?

Beating someone to death, laying your hands (or feet) on someone seems, to me, to be very personal in a way that causing the death of someone with a weapon is not.

I probably watch too much CSI and want to know the motive, not only the means.

Ref: Suz Q

As I said, I`m no expert so I don`t know. 

Your post brought this to my mind though. There`s an infamous father and son from my home town, Sony and Robert Mone. Both violent psychopaths who committed multiple murders at random, separately.

Sony Mone (father) is dead now. Knifed to death in prison. His son was committed to Carstairs State hospital. I believe he is still there and has been for almost 40 years.

Now whether that propensity for violence and murder was inherited or whether the son wanted to follow in his father`s footsteps (it has been suggested) is something I can`t answer.

Based on that link he seems to have served an extremely short sentence. Jailed 8 years ago when she was 11 but out in 2006.

It's a scary thought, thinking that if your parent has commited a murder, you will too.  I'm hoping that it's a learned behaviour (in your example) rather than down to genetics.

I still think that we are all responsible for our own actions though.  It's become too easy to blame drink, drugs or things that happened to us in our childhood for for abhorent acts.

Suzi made the point for me: you learn (and believe) all sorts of stuff when you're younger, but when you're older and have your own conscience and can think for yourself, you can't blame someone or something else for your actions.

I totally agree.