Well I think it isn't very good for you if you have too much Karma....  full of carbs and fat.. sausage rolls are dreadful ... about 30 grams of fat and 450 calories or something ghastly!

I think the least you worry about making it perfect the better it comes out..I use the frozen puff pastry to make cheese and onion pasties cos it works out cheaper....

Can I also add my bit to the Great Pie Debate. I don't make pies, and I don't really like pies unless the pastry is very light and it hardly ever is. I felt none of you would be able to resume your normal lives without hearing that vital piece of pie information from me.

Thats what I use if I'm using pastry for anything, don't usually have it though. I'd never attempt making puff pasty, but can make short crust and made the pastry for the mince pies at xmas - we'd made the mincemeat too <- first time we'd tried it though, but will do it again, its just stirring things together and sticking it in a jar for 2 months

So do you use different posting styles for YOUR additional IDs soozy???.  You seem very clued up about it...  BTW, a dozen people on the corrie thread said that Cupcake's comments were funny for goodness sake....  Not just me.  WTF is your problem?  For God's sake just drop it.  people are bored now.  Accuse me of being who you like: I couldnt give a shit really....  But its obvious you are just jumping on the 'accuse people who disagree with me and don't toe the line of being someone else' brigade.  Otherwise why accuse me of being someone else for NO REASON... it was nothing to do with this thread...you're just being childish and pedantic.

I'm not wasting time discussing it anymore... All i will say to you is people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

Kaytee you lazy mare!!....Joking off course but I do make my own pastry,huge lots of shortcrust and either make several pies and freeze some or freeze the pastry until I need it.

Also, sure food plays an important part in health, but so does exercise. Not all obesity problems are a direct result of food alone. These days it's all about PS2, X Box, internet, mobile phones/texting instead of going to visit people...all of which has an impact on a child/teenagers physical activity. I think nowadays there is a fine line in depriving a child of certain things, but as always and with everything, moderation I think is the key.

I see nothing wrong with someone having a 'cooked from scratch' meal one day and fish fingers and chips with peas the next (if that's what they want to eat). They're not going to go hell for it, or a kebab one night if they fancy it. It's about educating the individual the importance of moderation and the combination of food and exercise, surely?

Thank you

That's what struck me when I read the article. They mostly talked about exercise. I doubt she'll be in a position to do any serious exercise for a long time. I wonder why they didn't discuss her eating habits and what help she was getting with that.

this thread is making me hungry!

I agree in some ways karma.... but the  chips and fish fingers would be pre frozen wouldn't they?

Well I don't want to upset the applecart here but in a thread about the importance of healthy eating and a prominence on fresh food, I'm quite surprised to see a debate on whether ready made or making your own pastry is best!

Bone idle Lee...I do make it when it's for Christmas and I'm having a *baking day*....but for day to day stuff, feckit!!

Well good point Karma. 

I am kind of with you kaytee.    Couldnt be arsed to do it all the time. 

True - but occasionally pastry is very nice - isn't it?

Exactly Sparkles...there's no point in being a food facist

 If my grandson is bored him and I cook,he's granny's helper and thinks he's the bee's knee's so two birds killed with one stone.

Very true   I really cannot be bothered to cook from scratch all the time, but do sometimes. 

Moderation and all that innit... scuse me while I go and finish off my Valentine chocs

A combination of factors are probably responsible for the girl's obesity - poor diet, lack of exercise, psychological and/or emotional issues.
Whatever it is, I hope she gets some help soon.

Exactly,it's all about balance imo.

Totally agree Yogi.  She sure needs some help too. 

Thanks Lee.  i think so too.    I think actually feeling like you HAVE to do it all the time is a bit much, but it's good to be healthy sometimes and try and do it at least half the time

Well, the fish fingers are battered so they would be frozen. One could cook chips from fresh but that would normally involve frying which is twice as unhealthy as a packet of frozen oven chips (let alone the reduced fat chips).

I'm no Delia Smith by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think it comes down to common sense. Also the comments that fat kids always belong to fat parents, that's not true either. I've seen lots of overweight kids who have parents that are a size 8 or even 6. Also, in families I've seen 3 kids, 2 of which (and the parents) average size, but one child is obese. All children have had the same upbringing and eat the same food. Metabolic rates differ between person to person, too. Which is why diet programmes need to be tailored to the individual in terms of what they eat and when they eat it.

I just feel that in this thread, some stuff has been generalised. Food is at the crux, absolutely, but there are other factors that need consideration.

Awwwwww! I used to do that when mine was little....the kitchen always ended up like a bomb site

Agreed Yogi,imo she needs understanding help and compassion instead of condemnation.

Course it is! It's bloody lovely! And there's nothing wrong with having some now and again!

Very good post   And I agree with you Karma.

I think at the end of the day, when all is said and done and the fat lady has stopped singing (excuse the reference) if you don't want to put on weight, don't eat. Simples.

Sorry to dissappoint but I really have not got multiple ID's. Never have had and never will.

I bear no bAD feelings towards you - just saying please stop - it's silly and transparent. 

That's all.

TBH Sparkles I always have enjoyed cooking ,even as a kid I was always futtering in the kitchen so as I grew it sort of came easy.By the same token I won't condemn anyone who are constricted by either time constraints, finances or other reasons for trying to balance home made as opposed to pre prepared.

I agree Lee. As someone else said, someone with an eating disorder such as anorexia is treated with sympathy but those at the other end of the spectrum aren't.

TBF Prom I've gained a lot of weight,nothing to do with eating or overeating .it's all thanks to a combination of meds and darn steroids.

Thanks Lee.  Nice post   I think people who do cook healthily are great and more people should 'try' to do it more... but it is easy to pop something pre-cooked into the oven sometimes anyway.  But I do agree that freshly made stuff does taste better than microwaved stuff most of the time, although sainsburys and m and s microwave stuff are ok. 

 That must be horrible. I hope it all works out for you 

I agree.  Hope you will be OK Lee. 

*Covers ears*Do not mention work out.

I'm fine Sparkles,honestly I'm tickety boo ,hard to kill a bad thing 

You're not a bad thing you daft sausage Lee!!!        You sound lovely and don't deserve to suffer.