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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by electric6:
Hoobs

need a few of them

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Originally posted by electric6:
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by electric6:
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.

Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by electric6:
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.

Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

And there you have your answer! he leaves his name to say he will do it again!! My Nephew has Aspergus and is 16, he stayed last night and was totally obsessed with a mechanical voice on my lap top telling him "YOU HAVE SCORED A BULLSEYE"! over and over again. He has no filters and can be a little buggar at the best of times but is very innocent in lots of other ways...what that poor Mother must be going through must be terrible...

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

why is mental illness not a real illness??

It is actually very similar as in both cases it can be said that the perpetrator is not responsible for their crime - ok the crimes are very different - but the principle remains the same!!

Of course it is, I would never suggest otherwise. But people with Apsergers are not mentally ill...so it's a bit like comparing Arthritis to Diabetes...both genuine conditions but have bugger all to do with each other.

The "principle" does not remain the same...the purpose of prison is not just to punish, it is also to protect society, to rehabilitate and to set an example. I would argue that society does need protecting from violent people (mentally ill or not)...society does NOT need protecting from Gary McKinnon.

Gary McKinnon would not serve as an "example" to other neurodiverse folk as the very nature of the condition(s) means they wouldn't process the information in the same way.

What does McKinnon need rehabilitating against? Being a computer whizz? Having an interest in UFO's? Are you kidding me?

If you are going down the path of punishment then I would (and I admit I know quite little about the case) think that maybe just maybe, he has been punished enough?

Equal Opportunities is NOT and had never been about "treating everyone the same" that is a disgusting myth perpetuated by the ignorant. Equal ops is about equal chances...look up the word "differentiation" and see how it would work in this case.

Mollie, my pleasure

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?

Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.

My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!

thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
heva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she told us you was a drug addict when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction

remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?

Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.

My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!

thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
heva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she told us you was a drug addict when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction

remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny

please if you are going to accuse me of something at least get it right!!!!!

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?

Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.

My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!

thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
heva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she told us you was a drug addict when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction

remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny

please if you are going to accuse me of something at least get it right!!!!!

HEVVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now i know its you-i wont bother replying to you-youre an argumentative idiot who winds people up
youre not worth my time and effort of typing

i dont bother with trolls and i urge other FMs to treat this particular one with a pinch of salt and dont fall into the trap of being baited

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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by electric6:
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.

Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

And there you have your answer! he leaves his name to say he will do it again!! My Nephew has Aspergus and is 16, he stayed last night and was totally obsessed with a mechanical voice on my lap top telling him "YOU HAVE SCORED A BULLSEYE"! over and over again. He has no filters and can be a little buggar at the best of times but is very innocent in lots of other ways...what that poor Mother must be going through must be terrible...

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:

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Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?

Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.

My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!

thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
heva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she told us you was a drug addict when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction

remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny

please if you are going to accuse me of something at least get it right!!!!!

HEVVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now i know its you-i wont bother replying to you-youre an argumentative idiot who winds people up
youre not worth my time and effort of typing

i dont bother with trolls and i urge other FMs to treat this particular one with a pinch of salt and dont fall into the trap of being baited

I have never denied it is me - most ppl on here know anyway it is no secret!!

Your problem with this case is you are too close to see it objectively - because you have experienced aspergers you are only seeing it from your own case you are unable to see that this man's sitution is most probably very different to that of your childs!!

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by electric6:
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.

Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

And there you have your answer! he leaves his name to say he will do it again!! My Nephew has Aspergus and is 16, he stayed last night and was totally obsessed with a mechanical voice on my lap top telling him "YOU HAVE SCORED A BULLSEYE"! over and over again. He has no filters and can be a little buggar at the best of times but is very innocent in lots of other ways...what that poor Mother must be going through must be terrible...

This is all from memory but I understood he left his hacker name ... like a graffiti tag ... rather than "Gary McKinnon, UK".

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
Hevva strikes again

As far as I can see, the UK/US extradition treaty means we are required to hand over anyone they ask for, but not necessarily vice versa.

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
Hevva strikes again

As far as I can see, the UK/US extradition treaty means we are required to hand over anyone they ask for, but not necessarily vice versa.

what have I done - i have given my opinion but unlike others I haven't accused anybody of anything, I haven't told ppl who disagree thta they are wtong and I certainly haven't resorted to cnhildish name calling so what exactly have I done wrong!!!

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
Hevva strikes again

As far as I can see, the UK/US extradition treaty means we are required to hand over anyone they ask for, but not necessarily vice versa.

what have I done - i have given my opinion but unlike others I haven't accused anybody of anything, I haven't told ppl who disagree thta they are wtong and I certainly haven't resorted to cnhildish name calling so what exactly have I done wrong!!!

Whatever... funny how it ALWAYS happens to you though, eh?

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

yeah it is because there are certain ppl on here who see my name and just decide to try and get into row - I have done nothing wrong in this thread and if you actually read it you will see that!!

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Originally posted by BBTENNER:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

yeah it is because there are certain ppl on here who see my name and just decide to try and get into row - I have done nothing wrong in this thread and if you actually read it you will see that!!

Go and have a row somewhere else please. This is quite an interesting subject.

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by electric6:
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.

Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

And there you have your answer! he leaves his name to say he will do it again!! My Nephew has Aspergus and is 16, he stayed last night and was totally obsessed with a mechanical voice on my lap top telling him "YOU HAVE SCORED A BULLSEYE"! over and over again. He has no filters and can be a little buggar at the best of times but is very innocent in lots of other ways...what that poor Mother must be going through must be terrible...

when my step son gets excited about summat like his dinner is nearly ready etc.. we have to put up with him doing a 'beep' noise-usually accompanied by the same dance routine and always in front of the telly

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
Hevva strikes again

As far as I can see, the UK/US extradition treaty means we are required to hand over anyone they ask for, but not necessarily vice versa.

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
One wonders why Abu Hamza and such aren't handed over immediately then!!!

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

you are kinda contradicting yourself there - on the one hand you are saying he won't even undertsnad what he has done but then he has been punished enough - how can he have been punished if he doesn't understand what is going on???

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Didn't he leave a hacker message on the computers about US foreign policy and terrorism, and his intention to do it again?

Aye he did, by hurting people I was making the point about violence as our dear Hevva kept bringing violent mentally ill people into the equation.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

you are kinda contradicting yourself there - on the one hand you are saying he won't even undertsnad what he has done but then he has been punished enough - how can he have been punished if he doesn't understand what is going on???

I didn't say that at all

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
One wonders why Abu Hamza and such aren't handed over immediately then!!!

Last I heard, he's serving a sentence under British justice and could be extradited to the US when his sentence has finished. Seems fair enough to me. Not sure I agree with an extradition to the Yemen though.

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Originally posted by electric6:
Maybe you should re-read it then

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
One wonders why Abu Hamza and such aren't handed over immediately then!!!

Last I heard, he's serving a sentence under British justice and could be extradited to the US when his sentence has finished. Seems fair enough to me. Not sure I agree with an extradition to the Yemen though.

Ahhhhh, maybe they should just hand him over straight away, save us the cost of keeping him and the cost of the numerous appeals etc.....let the Yanks deal with him!

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Originally posted by charmer:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
One wonders why Abu Hamza and such aren't handed over immediately then!!!

Last I heard, he's serving a sentence under British justice and could be extradited to the US when his sentence has finished. Seems fair enough to me. Not sure I agree with an extradition to the Yemen though.

Ahhhhh, maybe they should just hand him over straight away, save us the cost of keeping him and the cost of the numerous appeals etc.....let the Yanks deal with him!

you keep saying 'hand'

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Originally posted by electric6:
No, it's just that no where in my post did I state that "He doesn't understand what he's done"...I haven't said it all all-anywhere in the thread.

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by electric6:
No, it's just that no where in my post did I state that "He doesn't understand what he's done"...I haven't said it all all-anywhere in the thread.

"Gary McKinnon would not serve as an "example" to other neurodiverse folk as the very nature of the condition(s) means they wouldn't process the information in the same way."

You may not have used understand but a lack of understanding is what that sentence amounts to!!!

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by electric6:
No, it's just that no where in my post did I state that "He doesn't understand what he's done"...I haven't said it all all-anywhere in the thread.

"Gary McKinnon would not serve as an "example" to other neurodiverse folk as the very nature of the condition(s) means they wouldn't process the information in the same way."

You may not have used understand but a lack of understanding is what that sentence amounts to!!!

To other neurodiverse folk.

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by electric6:
No, it's just that no where in my post did I state that "He doesn't understand what he's done"...I haven't said it all all-anywhere in the thread.

"Gary McKinnon would not serve as an "example" to other neurodiverse folk as the very nature of the condition(s) means they wouldn't process the information in the same way."

You may not have used understand but a lack of understanding is what that sentence amounts to!!!

To other neurodiverse folk.

look I have better things to do than repeat myself over and over - to me that sentence reads that you are saying ppl with such conditions do not understand actions and consequences - if you meant otherwose then fine we will just have to agree to disagree wont we!!!

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
If US military computers are so easy to hack...for any reason whatsoever...the US should hire Gary McKinnon not put him on trial

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Originally posted by Pretty_P:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
If US military computers are so easy to hack...for any reason whatsoever...the US should hire Gary McKinnon not put him on trial

It's fair enough point to make to be fair - but I just have some feeling that his actions weren't as innocent as some say!! I could be completely wrong here but it is just a feeling I get whenever I see him on TV!!!