so f*ckin what!
did it come out of your pocket? no
he doesnt know right from wrong
hopefully you do-but maybe you dont
let me ask you this..
if gary was down syndrome-would you still be giving the same argument?
quote:Originally posted by charmer:
so f*ckin what!
did it come out of your pocket? no
he doesnt know right from wrong
hopefully you do-but maybe you dont
let me ask you this..
if gary was down syndrome-would you still be giving the same argument?
Yes!!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:
so f*ckin what!
did it come out of your pocket? no
he doesnt know right from wrong
hopefully you do-but maybe you dont
let me ask you this..
if gary was down syndrome-would you still be giving the same argument?
Yes!!!
then my sweet-i officially give up
youre right-you dont know sod all
im wrong-i live with a lad with aspergers
God save the queen
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:
so f*ckin what!
did it come out of your pocket? no
he doesnt know right from wrong
hopefully you do-but maybe you dont
let me ask you this..
if gary was down syndrome-would you still be giving the same argument?
Yes!!!
then my sweet-i officially give up
youre right-you dont know sod all
im wrong-i live with a lad with aspergers
God save the queen
so because i disagree with you I am wrong - don't think I'm the one with the problem here then am I - I may disagree with you but I at least have the decency to respect your opinion and not just sit here telling you that you are wrong!!!
Charmer, it's the only thing to do.. x
All I want to add is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:
so f*ckin what!
did it come out of your pocket? no
he doesnt know right from wrong
hopefully you do-but maybe you dont
let me ask you this..
if gary was down syndrome-would you still be giving the same argument?
Yes!!!
then my sweet-i officially give up
youre right-you dont know sod all
im wrong-i live with a lad with aspergers
God save the queen
so because i disagree with you I am wrong - don't think I'm the one with the problem here then am I - I may disagree with you but I at least have the decency to respect your opinion and not just sit here telling you that you are wrong!!!
One last thing... it's absolutely NOT because you disagree, it's because you don't understand autism, and understandably so... but if you have a child/sibling/or someone close with this disorder, you have to understand everything about it,and for you it would have been good to listen to the people who do live with it...
We actually do know what we are talking about... anyway I am off this thread now.
quote:Originally posted by lisagotnoshame:
All I want to add is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shurrupp you
you shoulda married me in the first place-you'd be living the high life
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
why is mental illness not a real illness??
It is actually very similar as in both cases it can be said that the perpetrator is not responsible for their crime - ok the crimes are very different - but the principle remains the same!!
Of course it is, I would never suggest otherwise. But people with Apsergers are not mentally ill...so it's a bit like comparing Arthritis to Diabetes...both genuine conditions but have bugger all to do with each other.
The "principle" does not remain the same...the purpose of prison is not just to punish, it is also to protect society, to rehabilitate and to set an example. I would argue that society does need protecting from violent people (mentally ill or not)...society does NOT need protecting from Gary McKinnon.
Gary McKinnon would not serve as an "example" to other neurodiverse folk as the very nature of the condition(s) means they wouldn't process the information in the same way.
What does McKinnon need rehabilitating against? Being a computer whizz? Having an interest in UFO's? Are you kidding me?
If you are going down the path of punishment then I would (and I admit I know quite little about the case) think that maybe just maybe, he has been punished enough?
Equal Opportunities is NOT and had never been about "treating everyone the same" that is a disgusting myth perpetuated by the ignorant. Equal ops is about equal chances...look up the word "differentiation" and see how it would work in this case.
Mollie, my pleasure
I am mother to a boy with Autism and bloody proud of it.....it's ignoramus' like Pretty P!!!!! that I have issue with!
So go off, learn, read, watch, empathise then have a rethink you numpty!
!!!!! !!!!! !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So go off, learn, read, watch, empathise then have a rethink you numpty!
!!!!! !!!!! !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by lisagotnoshame:
All I want to add is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shurrupp you
you shoulda married me in the first place-you'd be living the high life
I am !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That you would say this to a pregmunt!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by lisagotnoshame:
I am mother to a boy with Autism and bloody proud of it.....it's ignoramus' like Pretty P!!!!! that I have issue with!
So go off, learn, read, watch, empathise then have a rethink you numpty!
!!!!! !!!!! !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and what a gorgeous boy he is too!
i agree, when i'm out i worry about my son's behaviour...not cos of HIM but cos of the ignorant people i come across, staring, saying nasty comments etc. if he hears them, which he does, it makes him ten times worse too.
quote:Originally posted by lisagotnoshame:
All I want to add is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!quote:Originally posted by Mollie:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:
so f*ckin what!
did it come out of your pocket? no
he doesnt know right from wrong
hopefully you do-but maybe you dont
let me ask you this..
if gary was down syndrome-would you still be giving the same argument?
Yes!!!
then my sweet-i officially give up
youre right-you dont know sod all
im wrong-i live with a lad with aspergers
God save the queen
so because i disagree with you I am wrong - don't think I'm the one with the problem here then am I - I may disagree with you but I at least have the decency to respect your opinion and not just sit here telling you that you are wrong!!!
One last thing... it's absolutely NOT because you disagree, it's because you don't understand autism, and understandably so... but if you have a child/sibling/or someone close with this disorder, you have to understand everything about it,and for you it would have been good to listen to the people who do live with it...
We actually do know what we are talking about... anyway I am off this thread now.
i know we're talking about a disability, but cos you cant recognise it no one believes it-but isnt it a drain on you? it exhausts me and im not used to it after nearly 4 years but i love my OH, and the kids are part and parcel of her
bloody hard work
oh well, when the lads dad found out the reason why his son was 'odd' he pissed off and left my OH with all the hard work
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?
Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?
Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by lisagotnoshame:
I am mother to a boy with Autism and bloody proud of it.....it's ignoramus' like Pretty P!!!!! that I have issue with!
So go off, learn, read, watch, empathise then have a rethink you numpty!
!!!!! !!!!! !!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and what a gorgeous boy he is too!
i agree, when i'm out i worry about my son's behaviour...not cos of HIM but cos of the ignorant people i come across, staring, saying nasty comments etc. if he hears them, which he does, it makes him ten times worse too.
Any your gawjuss boy too, Darth!
It's not the ASD'ers and Aspies that need rehab....it's bloody judgemental barstewards that need re-educating!!!
I learnt a long time ago that a sizeable portion of the "human race" are not even worth a hand job, they look and assume....they should ask valid questions and learn something instead!
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
why is mental illness not a real illness??
It is actually very similar as in both cases it can be said that the perpetrator is not responsible for their crime - ok the crimes are very different - but the principle remains the same!!
Of course it is, I would never suggest otherwise. But people with Apsergers are not mentally ill...so it's a bit like comparing Arthritis to Diabetes...both genuine conditions but have bugger all to do with each other.
The "principle" does not remain the same...the purpose of prison is not just to punish, it is also to protect society, to rehabilitate and to set an example. I would argue that society does need protecting from violent people (mentally ill or not)...society does NOT need protecting from Gary McKinnon.
Gary McKinnon would not serve as an "example" to other neurodiverse folk as the very nature of the condition(s) means they wouldn't process the information in the same way.
What does McKinnon need rehabilitating against? Being a computer whizz? Having an interest in UFO's? Are you kidding me?
If you are going down the path of punishment then I would (and I admit I know quite little about the case) think that maybe just maybe, he has been punished enough?
Equal Opportunities is NOT and had never been about "treating everyone the same" that is a disgusting myth perpetuated by the ignorant. Equal ops is about equal chances...look up the word "differentiation" and see how it would work in this case.
Mollie, my pleasure
leccy
are we agreeing on something?
is this a first?
if youve got the cake
ive got the balloons
I think we are... 
I have the cake, you have the balloons, Hooby's off the booze, Lisa is too. I guess this vod is for us then?
I have the cake, you have the balloons, Hooby's off the booze, Lisa is too. I guess this vod is for us then?
Massively exhausting, I am on my own with the boys and luckily I get respite or I wouldn't cope.. my aspie boy is less work on one level, he can care to some degree on his own, but my 18 yr old is very hard going.. love them to pieces and would defend them to the ends of the earth!!
just an added note, my aspie boy wasn't offically diagnosed till he was 18, now 23.. 18 yr old was 3 before he displayed any signs..
Ex is useless lol...
I watch BB for light relief lol!!
just an added note, my aspie boy wasn't offically diagnosed till he was 18, now 23.. 18 yr old was 3 before he displayed any signs..
Ex is useless lol...
I watch BB for light relief lol!!
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
I think we are...
I have the cake, you have the balloons, Hooby's off the booze, Lisa is too. I guess this vod is for us then?
I really love your posts! very articulate..
quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?
Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.
My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
I think we are...
I have the cake, you have the balloons, Hooby's off the booze, Lisa is too. I guess this vod is for us then?
apparently allowed 1-2 units 1 or 2 times a week....this time, last year you weren't allowed ANY, 6 years before that you were allowed the odd one or two.
i dont drink anyway lol so you can have my OH's voddy
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
I think we are...
I have the cake, you have the balloons, Hooby's off the booze, Lisa is too. I guess this vod is for us then?
ive ran out of the beer mate
im off to bed inna bit
but innit hard to explain aspergers?
whatever you say, no one is ever gonna believe you until theyve 'lived' it
i didnt!
but you watch, and you realise it aint normal behaviour
he's hard work,
i mean proper 24 hour hard work
Hooby, if you force me I can relive your OH of the terrible vod burden
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.
Mollie, thank you, that's very kind
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.
Mollie, thank you, that's very kind
quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?
Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.
My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!
thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
heva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she told us you was a drug addict when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction
remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Hooby, if you force me I can relive your OH of the terrible vod burden
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.
Mollie, thank you, that's very kind
i think you may have to fight him for it
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?
Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.
My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!
thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
heva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she told us you was a drug addict when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction
remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny
*hides Ibuprofen*
I will have nightmares tonight
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Hooby, if you force me I can relive your OH of the terrible vod burden
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.
Mollie, thank you, that's very kind
i think you may have to fight him for it
didn't even know if he was a him... LOL ..but I think i'm falling for him
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Hooby, if you force me I can relive your OH of the terrible vod burden
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.
Mollie, thank you, that's very kind
TBH I haven't read much of the "case" just wanted to point out that some Aspies can be malicious and can know right from wrong. And can also "unlearn" behaviours, I'm not saying all aspies can though - they might be able to I just don't know.
Misread post.. 
night all... xxx
night all... xxx
Yep Tanya, I know that I think maybe that'll be where the defence and prosecutors do battle...trying to establish just how much awareness he had re. the hacking stuff....'s'far as I know though he was a UFO buff more than anything.
I think maybe that'll be where the defence and prosecutors do battle...trying to establish just how much awareness he had re. the hacking stuff....'s'far as I know though he was a UFO buff more than anything.quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:
I've lived with AS for 10 years Step-son (17) and his Dad (my partner).
Do we all agree that all Aspies are different?
Because the 2 I live with definitely know right from wrong and are more than capable of lying when caught doing something wrong.
Also step-son is capable of being malicious (he did something really sick and tried to blame my kids).
So............let him face trial - I don't care where it happens but you can't let him off or make things easier becuase he has AS.
My posts ALWAYS end up at the bottom of the page! Grrrr!
thats because you had trouble on C4 with your son
hevvvvva!!!!!!!!!!!!
she implied you and your lad were drug addicts when your son got pulled for buying LEMSIP!
we all knew it was for you and your addiction
remember that?
awwww!
that was sooooo funny
quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Misread post..
night all... xxx
Night Mollie! xx
quote:Originally posted by TanyaHyde:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Hooby, if you force me I can relive your OH of the terrible vod burden
Tanya, my understanding of it is that McKinnon has done nothing malicious...it's embarrassing for the US government more than anything, he didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone.
Mollie, thank you, that's very kind
TBH I haven't read much of the "case" just wanted to point out that some Aspies can be malicious and can know right from wrong. And can also "unlearn" behaviours, I'm not saying all aspies can though - they might be able to I just don't know.
my son certainly is capable of lying. cant say it malicious though. he just knows i'll get angry so lies....thats pretty much same with all kids.
sometimes though he will lie to make me angry, when he has done nothing wrong....probably to make me display an emotion/expression he understands. being in a normal mood/expression seems to confuse him. i think thats the main reason he pushes me
Hoobs, without being patronising...at least I hope not, you must get bloody knackered!
quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Misread post..
night all... xxx
you got my OH all excited then
nn hun quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Hoobs, without being patronising...at least I hope not, you must get bloody knackered!
yes, lol!
i hardly sleep at all, he is wide awake till about midnight...usually quiet after then but often still awake (reading). baby wakes up a few times a night...although only gets fed once now. obviously they both get up early in morning. even worse atm cos of morning sickness reducing my want for food, and i feel rally hot and uncomfy and need lots of wees so even when i do get to bed i'm often awake lol
hey ho, there is coffee!
cant bloody wait till holidays are over! lol!
I totally agree, he has been let down by this government 
Hoobs
