quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
nope
but they normally get a more lenient sentence..do they not?
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
There is a big difference between taking someone's life and making someone look a little foolish.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
Look up 'diminished responsibility'..
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
I would class Aspergers as a Neurodiversity rather than a "serious mental issue"...but anyway I'm just being nosy...carry on.
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
Look up 'diminished responsibility'..
what like a mentally ill person who murders someone!!
quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Amythist:
Heard his Mum making a great speech on R4 news earlier...how stupid UK and USA govts will look taking this so far when he was only looking for UFO's,having Aspergers etc
so the next time someone with serious mental issues goes out and murders an innocent person should we let them off because they didn't mean to do it in their mind the thing they were doing was perfectly ok!!
Look up 'diminished responsibility'..
what like a mentally ill person who murders someone!!
You haven't looked it up have you.
In order to murder you have to be 'capable' of murder. There are partial defences. It is a poor comparison for this case.
quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Most crimes are committed with intent...
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
there are many ppl out there who have illnesses and do things they wouldn't have done if they did not suffer such illnesses however they still have to pay - there is not a special rule because it is a certain type of illness!!
The thing that also gets me though is if he was really in such a situation whereby he didn't know what he was doin his parents should have kept a much closer eye on what he was doing on the computer and in my opinion some responsibility should also fall on them!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
there are many ppl out there who have illnesses and do things they wouldn't have done if they did not suffer such illnesses however they still have to pay - there is not a special rule because it is a certain type of illness!!
The thing that also gets me though is if he was really in such a situation whereby he didn't know what he was doin his parents should have kept a much closer eye on what he was doing on the computer and in my opinion some responsibility should also fall on them!!
quote:Originally posted by charmer:
the bloke gary is what us lot with a right mind in the old days would call 'slow' 'backward' 'retarded'
and the reason we would say these things is because none of us really knew about the human condition
nowadays we know they have no idea of the concept of the consequences of things they do
they could punish him and he wouldnt have a clue why he's been punished because he wouldnt learn-he wouldnt associate the punishment with the crime because of his addmitance-and another thing with aspergers-if the judge said 'ok-off you gary-go home-will you do it again?'
gary will say 'yes' because he will
he just wont understand
unlike the majority of us
so if anyone agreeing that this fella should be shipped off and face the music - i urge you to think again
he's not a murderer, he's not a freak, he's not a trouble maker
he's a fella with a condition, thats sooooooo f*cking hard to understand
its not a mental illness
its a mental development disorder
its a pain in the arse to have
and a pain in the arse to live with someone who has it
quote:Originally posted by charmer:
ta darth,
it was my OH who made me write that, cos its her son who has it
i love him like he's mine but blimey he's bloody hard work
quote:Originally posted by charmer:
the bloke gary is what us lot with a right mind in the old days would call 'slow' 'backward' 'retarded'
and the reason we would say these things is because none of us really knew about the human condition
nowadays we know they have no idea of the concept of the consequences of things they do
they could punish him and he wouldnt have a clue why he's been punished because he wouldnt learn-he wouldnt associate the punishment with the crime because of his addmitance-and another thing with aspergers-if the judge said 'ok-off you gary-go home-will you do it again?'
gary will say 'yes' because he will
he just wont understand
unlike the majority of us
so if anyone agreeing that this fella should be shipped off and face the music - i urge you to think again
he's not a murderer, he's not a freak, he's not a trouble maker
he's a fella with a condition, thats sooooooo f*cking hard to understand
its not a mental illness
its a mental development disorder
its a pain in the arse to have
and a pain in the arse to live with someone who has it
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
there are many ppl out there who have illnesses and do things they wouldn't have done if they did not suffer such illnesses however they still have to pay - there is not a special rule because it is a certain type of illness!!
The thing that also gets me though is if he was really in such a situation whereby he didn't know what he was doin his parents should have kept a much closer eye on what he was doing on the computer and in my opinion some responsibility should also fall on them!!
he's in his bloody 40s! and they didn't know he had aspergers...and even if they did a person with aspergers is not someone who needs constant watching from their parents
for gods sake the ignorance
mind you, you like a good arguement!!! even if the number of exclamation marks you use has decreased in numbers slightly
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
quote:Originally posted by charmer:
the bloke gary is what us lot with a right mind in the old days would call 'slow' 'backward' 'retarded'
and the reason we would say these things is because none of us really knew about the human condition
nowadays we know they have no idea of the concept of the consequences of things they do
they could punish him and he wouldnt have a clue why he's been punished because he wouldnt learn-he wouldnt associate the punishment with the crime because of his addmitance-and another thing with aspergers-if the judge said 'ok-off you gary-go home-will you do it again?'
gary will say 'yes' because he will
he just wont understand
unlike the majority of us
so if anyone agreeing that this fella should be shipped off and face the music - i urge you to think again
he's not a murderer, he's not a freak, he's not a trouble maker
he's a fella with a condition, thats sooooooo f*cking hard to understand
its not a mental illness
its a mental development disorder
its a pain in the arse to have
and a pain in the arse to live with someone who has it
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
there are many ppl out there who have illnesses and do things they wouldn't have done if they did not suffer such illnesses however they still have to pay - there is not a special rule because it is a certain type of illness!!
The thing that also gets me though is if he was really in such a situation whereby he didn't know what he was doin his parents should have kept a much closer eye on what he was doing on the computer and in my opinion some responsibility should also fall on them!!
he's in his bloody 40s! and they didn't know he had aspergers...and even if they did a person with aspergers is not someone who needs constant watching from their parents
for gods sake the ignorance
mind you, you like a good arguement!!! even if the number of exclamation marks you use has decreased in numbers slightly
please if he is 40 years of age and they still did not know he suffered from it I would say that in his case the symptoms he faces cannot be that bad - everybody else on here who has family members with the condition talk about how hard it is to cope with so how on earth can they have gone 40 years without even knowing??
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
im not going to be rude to you
but sometimes this condition is recognised at an early age
sometimes it can take years
so his parents (and gary) have probably had years of abuse off people saying he's thick, stupid etc..
aspergers is hard to define
i tell you what, dont argue the toss-get yourself on an aspergers website-and read about the 'symptons' they dont apply to all-but have a read
cos i tell ya-i'd never heard of it 'til i met my girl-she warned me-i thought 'yeah whatever-he's a typical lad-a pain in the arse-kids are all the same'
not this one
theres a noticable difference
have a read
talk to me later
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
there are many ppl out there who have illnesses and do things they wouldn't have done if they did not suffer such illnesses however they still have to pay - there is not a special rule because it is a certain type of illness!!
The thing that also gets me though is if he was really in such a situation whereby he didn't know what he was doin his parents should have kept a much closer eye on what he was doing on the computer and in my opinion some responsibility should also fall on them!!
he's in his bloody 40s! and they didn't know he had aspergers...and even if they did a person with aspergers is not someone who needs constant watching from their parents
for gods sake the ignorance
mind you, you like a good arguement!!! even if the number of exclamation marks you use has decreased in numbers slightly
please if he is 40 years of age and they still did not know he suffered from it I would say that in his case the symptoms he faces cannot be that bad - everybody else on here who has family members with the condition talk about how hard it is to cope with so how on earth can they have gone 40 years without even knowing??
do you know anything about aspergers at all? many people have it without being diagnosed. it wasn't even diagnosable till 1997! as when it was discovered (in WW2) the research notes got lost.
gary did this crime 7 years ago, he was an adult then and many adults are undiagnosed. they are probably the people the likes of you cross the street to get away from, or moan about sitting next to you on the bus. I.E the 'odd' people, the eccentrics.
having a child on the spectrum is hard to cope with, even if they are well behaved. before they refer your child to be assessed for the condition they look for a likelyhood of abuse or other reasons for the child being 'strange'. EVERY parent i personally know with a child on the spectrum had been put on a parenting course before their child was diagnosed.
i assume back in gary's day he was just seen as a 'backwards' kid, or badly behaved, badly parented. there was NO assessement for aspergers when he was a kid! and autism was pretty much thought of as 'being like rainman'
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
im not going to be rude to you
but sometimes this condition is recognised at an early age
sometimes it can take years
so his parents (and gary) have probably had years of abuse off people saying he's thick, stupid etc..
aspergers is hard to define
i tell you what, dont argue the toss-get yourself on an aspergers website-and read about the 'symptons' they dont apply to all-but have a read
cos i tell ya-i'd never heard of it 'til i met my girl-she warned me-i thought 'yeah whatever-he's a typical lad-a pain in the arse-kids are all the same'
not this one
theres a noticable difference
have a read
talk to me later
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Mollie:
Until you understand autism I think you should not be spouting off about what should happen!
it is very complicated, and a person with autism see's the world in a very different way then we do.. their intent would have NO malice at all..the story I told about the boy who was very low functioning autism has no concept of what he did, he does NOT deserve to go to prison!! he hit out at his mum, and she did die, but she was his only rock, he will suffer so much not having her.. he probably doesn't even understand death! he needs a lot of care and needs to live in a safe place where people know how to meet his needs...
As for Gary, there was no bad intention towards the American government, he is innocent, and looking for UFO's!! fer gawds sake!
there are many ppl out there who have illnesses and do things they wouldn't have done if they did not suffer such illnesses however they still have to pay - there is not a special rule because it is a certain type of illness!!
The thing that also gets me though is if he was really in such a situation whereby he didn't know what he was doin his parents should have kept a much closer eye on what he was doing on the computer and in my opinion some responsibility should also fall on them!!
he's in his bloody 40s! and they didn't know he had aspergers...and even if they did a person with aspergers is not someone who needs constant watching from their parents
for gods sake the ignorance
mind you, you like a good arguement!!! even if the number of exclamation marks you use has decreased in numbers slightly
please if he is 40 years of age and they still did not know he suffered from it I would say that in his case the symptoms he faces cannot be that bad - everybody else on here who has family members with the condition talk about how hard it is to cope with so how on earth can they have gone 40 years without even knowing??
do you know anything about aspergers at all? many people have it without being diagnosed. it wasn't even diagnosable till 1997! as when it was discovered (in WW2) the research notes got lost.
gary did this crime 7 years ago, he was an adult then and many adults are undiagnosed. they are probably the people the likes of you cross the street to get away from, or moan about sitting next to you on the bus. I.E the 'odd' people, the eccentrics.
having a child on the spectrum is hard to cope with, even if they are well behaved. before they refer your child to be assessed for the condition they look for a likelyhood of abuse or other reasons for the child being 'strange'. EVERY parent i personally know with a child on the spectrum had been put on a parenting course before their child was diagnosed.
i assume back in gary's day he was just seen as a 'backwards' kid, or badly behaved, badly parented. there was NO assessement for aspergers when he was a kid! and autism was pretty much thought of as 'being like rainman'
how dare you speak to me like that - you know nothing about me or how I would react were I to see somebody with "problems" in the street - honestly how can you be so rude - please do not bother speaking to me again as I will not have a grown up discussion with somebody who is just plain rude!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
im not going to be rude to you
but sometimes this condition is recognised at an early age
sometimes it can take years
so his parents (and gary) have probably had years of abuse off people saying he's thick, stupid etc..
aspergers is hard to define
i tell you what, dont argue the toss-get yourself on an aspergers website-and read about the 'symptons' they dont apply to all-but have a read
cos i tell ya-i'd never heard of it 'til i met my girl-she warned me-i thought 'yeah whatever-he's a typical lad-a pain in the arse-kids are all the same'
not this one
theres a noticable difference
have a read
talk to me later
i have actually looked at the symptoms earlier and I appreciate it cna't be easy - no illness is easy to deal with - but that does not mean that he should be allowed to be let off from his crime - he should have to serve his sentence whatever that may be obviously he should get all the support he needs in order to do that - he cannot be allowed to get away with it though as he is not the only person with underlying factors to committ a crime for which others would be punished!!
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Charmer, Mollie, Hoobs...
Pretty_P...I just find your comparisons to violent acts committed by some mentally ill people uncomfortable...
There is really no need to mention them in this case, it's a very different thing.
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
im not going to be rude to you
but sometimes this condition is recognised at an early age
sometimes it can take years
so his parents (and gary) have probably had years of abuse off people saying he's thick, stupid etc..
aspergers is hard to define
i tell you what, dont argue the toss-get yourself on an aspergers website-and read about the 'symptons' they dont apply to all-but have a read
cos i tell ya-i'd never heard of it 'til i met my girl-she warned me-i thought 'yeah whatever-he's a typical lad-a pain in the arse-kids are all the same'
not this one
theres a noticable difference
have a read
talk to me later
i have actually looked at the symptoms earlier and I appreciate it cna't be easy - no illness is easy to deal with - but that does not mean that he should be allowed to be let off from his crime - he should have to serve his sentence whatever that may be obviously he should get all the support he needs in order to do that - he cannot be allowed to get away with it though as he is not the only person with underlying factors to committ a crime for which others would be punished!!
know one wants him to be let off-he doesnt need to be sent to america
he needs his family around him
he needs routine-if he'd have gone into an american ambassodors (sp) home and slaughtered the family-well-have a re-think
he wanted to find out if the little green men exsisted and he's adamant they do
theres been a lot of famous aspergers people out there
why do the yanks want to crucify this particular one?
quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
im not going to be rude to you
but sometimes this condition is recognised at an early age
sometimes it can take years
so his parents (and gary) have probably had years of abuse off people saying he's thick, stupid etc..
aspergers is hard to define
i tell you what, dont argue the toss-get yourself on an aspergers website-and read about the 'symptons' they dont apply to all-but have a read
cos i tell ya-i'd never heard of it 'til i met my girl-she warned me-i thought 'yeah whatever-he's a typical lad-a pain in the arse-kids are all the same'
not this one
theres a noticable difference
have a read
talk to me later
i have actually looked at the symptoms earlier and I appreciate it cna't be easy - no illness is easy to deal with - but that does not mean that he should be allowed to be let off from his crime - he should have to serve his sentence whatever that may be obviously he should get all the support he needs in order to do that - he cannot be allowed to get away with it though as he is not the only person with underlying factors to committ a crime for which others would be punished!!
no one wants him to be let off-he doesnt need to be sent to america
he needs his family around him
he needs routine-if he'd have gone into an american ambassodors (sp) home and slaughtered the family-well-have a re-think
he wanted to find out if the little green men exsisted and he's adamant they do
theres been a lot of famous aspergers people out there
why do the yanks want to crucify this particular one?
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Charmer, Mollie, Hoobs...
Pretty_P...I just find your comparisons to violent acts committed by some mentally ill people uncomfortable...
There is really no need to mention them in this case, it's a very different thing.
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by charmer:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by electric6:
Is there some agenda to your constant mentioning of mental illness?
?????????????
im not going to be rude to you
but sometimes this condition is recognised at an early age
sometimes it can take years
so his parents (and gary) have probably had years of abuse off people saying he's thick, stupid etc..
aspergers is hard to define
i tell you what, dont argue the toss-get yourself on an aspergers website-and read about the 'symptons' they dont apply to all-but have a read
cos i tell ya-i'd never heard of it 'til i met my girl-she warned me-i thought 'yeah whatever-he's a typical lad-a pain in the arse-kids are all the same'
not this one
theres a noticable difference
have a read
talk to me later
i have actually looked at the symptoms earlier and I appreciate it cna't be easy - no illness is easy to deal with - but that does not mean that he should be allowed to be let off from his crime - he should have to serve his sentence whatever that may be obviously he should get all the support he needs in order to do that - he cannot be allowed to get away with it though as he is not the only person with underlying factors to committ a crime for which others would be punished!!
know one wants him to be let off-he doesnt need to be sent to america
he needs his family around him
he needs routine-if he'd have gone into an american ambassodors (sp) home and slaughtered the family-well-have a re-think
he wanted to find out if the little green men exsisted and he's adamant they do
theres been a lot of famous aspergers people out there
why do the yanks want to crucify this particular one?
he caused thousands of pounds worth of damage - that is why!!
