I understand his legal team are plannning to take it to the ECHR It'll be interesting to see what their judgment is.

What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

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if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

They dont need him, they caught him and already know how he did it. This trial is just sending a message to future Garys.

What message would that be? Heal yourself?

One feels so powerless. One can't boycott anything American since one doesn't eat any of that fast food shieght or drink any fizzy sugary piss. One can't threaten not to vote Labour. What can one do?

So anyone with Asbergers can break any law they want then, cool. See my other post he should be tried here and any medical condition should be taken into account.

No people with Aspergers shouldn't get away with breaking the law but being Aspergers leads to often highly intelligent people showing obsessive behaviours and once something becomes fixed in their brain they carry on doing it over and over again.

As I said he should face trial and any medical problems taken into account.

Unfortunately many people have difficulty understanding Aspergers as it is quite a difficult condition to relate to. I hope they find a jury who has some comprehension.

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What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...released-from-prison

There you go Danjay.

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What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

They were sentenced to approximately 3 years I think and about 9/10 months after that were told they could serve the remainder of their sentence in the UK.

As I said, going to trial and being sentenced in the US doesn't mean he will necessarily serve his sentence there.

Well, at least the American judical system recognises mental illness as a defence. Just ask any of the mentally ill who have been executed over the years in states where capital punishment is still performed.

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What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

They were sentenced to approximately 3 years I think and about 9/10 months after that were told they could serve the remainder of their sentence in the UK.

As I said, going to trial and being sentenced in the US doesn't mean he will necessarily serve his sentence there.

After all the issues surrounding Guano Bay I don't trust them. We need to protect him here.

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What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...released-from-prison

There you go Danjay.

How topical!

Will their $6.1M go to the tax-payer now then?

If you want some scarey stories on policing the internet.

google Jorge Cortell.

Have a read of the history of events leading up to the Pirate Bay court case.

I was going to say DJ.. whatever you do don't mention the cost to the British taxpayer..

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I was going to say DJ.. whatever you do don't mention the cost to the British taxpayer..

I need to put my liberal hat on again shortly. Head's getting cold.

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What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

They were sentenced to approximately 3 years I think and about 9/10 months after that were told they could serve the remainder of their sentence in the UK.

As I said, going to trial and being sentenced in the US doesn't mean he will necessarily serve his sentence there.

After all the issues surrounding Guano Bay I don't trust them. We need to protect him here.

I don't think, as this is such a high profile case, there is any chance of him being shoe-horned into a jumpsuit and shipped off to Cuba.

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What about those other three blokes? The Nat West Three?

They were sentenced to approximately 3 years I think and about 9/10 months after that were told they could serve the remainder of their sentence in the UK.

As I said, going to trial and being sentenced in the US doesn't mean he will necessarily serve his sentence there.

After all the issues surrounding Guano Bay I don't trust them. We need to protect him here.

I don't think, as this is such a high profile case, there is any chance of him being shoe-horned into a jumpsuit and shipped off to Cuba.

No! But you know what I mean.
Foreign country. No friends (Dave Gilmore) Heavy prison system.

*checks flight ticket*

"Ooo, mum, we're flying on the 2am flight from an RAF airport in East Anglia in a plane with no identification numbers and a very full tank of fuel! How exciting!"

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*checks flight ticket*

"Ooo, mum, we're flying on the 2am flight from an RAF airport in East Anglia in a plane with no identification numbers and a very full tank of fuel! How exciting!"

I wonder if you realise how close you are in that statement.

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No! But you know what I mean.
Foreign country. No friends (Dave Gilmore) Heavy prison system.

I know what you mean..

I would imagine he will probably get Michael Mansfield Q.C ... he loves a good cause (although I'm not sure if he has rights of audience in the U.S.).

On a serious note I would have thought he would be afforded more than adequate representation. And, what I said about justice being seen to be done cuts both ways.. high profile case remember.. the US can't be seen to be draconian, just firm.

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if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

They dont need him, they caught him and already know how he did it. This trial is just sending a message to future Garys.

What message would that be? Heal yourself?

One feels so powerless. One can't boycott anything American since one doesn't eat any of that fast food shieght or drink any fizzy sugary piss. One can't threaten not to vote Labour. What can one do?

So anyone with Asbergers can break any law they want then, cool. See my other post he should be tried here and any medical condition should be taken into account.

No people with Aspergers shouldn't get away with breaking the law but being Aspergers leads to often highly intelligent people showing obsessive behaviours and once something becomes fixed in their brain they carry on doing it over and over again.

As I said he should face trial and any medical problems taken into account.

Unfortunately many people have difficulty understanding Aspergers as it is quite a difficult condition to relate to. I hope they find a jury who has some comprehension.

cripes as a mother of an aspie i find it hard to think about this subject.
anyone who commits a crime should indeed be punished, but i really feel they wont take his aspergers into account fully. tbh it scares me as i have a friend with a son with ADD (also a spectrum disorder)...he went to prison and his diagnosis was pretty much taken away and they stopped his medication(apparently that do that with alot of ADD/ADHD prisoners ) . he was only in there a few months and found that a HUGE struggle.

gary could get upto 70 years. he wont last a year.

"Mr McKinnon is accused of serious crimes and the US has a lawful right to seek his extradition, as we do when we wish to prosecute people who break our laws."

DO they actually prosecute people who break our Laws???? Gawd, they're full of shit!!!

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cripes as a mother of an aspie i find it hard to think about this subject.
anyone who commits a crime should indeed be punished, but i really feel they wont take his aspergers into account fully. tbh it scares me as i have a friend with a son with ADD (also a spectrum disorder)...he went to prison and his diagnosis was pretty much taken away and they stopped his medication(apparently that do that with alot of ADD/ADHD prisoners ) . he was only in there a few months and found that a HUGE struggle.

gary could get upto 70 years. he wont last a year.

Darthoob I have an Aspergers son, and an Aspergers husband so I know exactly how you feel.

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cripes as a mother of an aspie i find it hard to think about this subject.
anyone who commits a crime should indeed be punished, but i really feel they wont take his aspergers into account fully. tbh it scares me as i have a friend with a son with ADD (also a spectrum disorder)...he went to prison and his diagnosis was pretty much taken away and they stopped his medication(apparently that do that with alot of ADD/ADHD prisoners ) . he was only in there a few months and found that a HUGE struggle.

gary could get upto 70 years. he wont last a year.

Darthoob I have an Aspergers son, and an Aspergers husband so I know exactly how you feel.

it's scarey as hell. everyday my son says or does something alot of parents would find heartbreaking, yet i take it on the nose cos i know he doesn't understand social norms and emotion etc. luckily as he is young he can learn some of the stuff NT people do naturally (without even knowing they are learning it). gary didn't have that luxury

Latest from Alan Johnson.

Hacker case cannot be blocked.

They are frightened that he may have uncovered information which if it comes to light would compromise the then Bush administration.....

They should free Gary. No question about that!

I find the whole thing very distressing! I have two sons on the spectrum, 1 with apsergers and the other boy is quite low functioning autism..

I cannot for the life of me understand how they can even consider putting this to trial.. anyone who understands this condition would know it's ridiculous idea...

I read a story the other day about a boy in the US who murdered his mother, he is very low functioning autism, he and his mum lived alone, he had an outburst (common thing to happen) and he attacked her.. she died days later in hospital.. he now sits in a court room, in a plastic suit restrained, with a helmet on to stop him spitting... ARE THEY MAD???? he has no idea what he has done, he will have very little idea of death.. he will not be aware his mum is gone, and he is being held on remand!!!!

I know gary won't be as bad as that, but the lack of understanding beggers belief!! if he was looking for UFO's then thats how it happened, his motives were not bad or terrorist like....

I could just cry at the injustice....

Harriet Harperson said this morning that the Uk gov will ask for McKinnon to serve his sentence in the UK is he's found guilty and given a custodial. What if he's given 70 years? At £35K a year, that's outrageous!

Also, the news media keep talking about his being a 'young man' for some reason. He's 43 years old! That's practically dead!!

Unfortunately.. maybe.. the law has to be dispassionate. If someone committed a crime (and is found guilty) then they commited the crime. Sometimes there is a defence. Sometimes there are mitigating circumstances. Always there is a starting point.. a path to follow.. an outcome.

The system.. such as it is.. wouldn't work if the starting point was the person alleged to have committed the crime. It is too arbitrary, too readily open to abuse, too subjective.

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Harriet Harperson said this morning that the Uk gov will ask for McKinnon to serve his sentence in the UK is he's found guilty and given a custodial. What if he's given 70 years? At £35K a year, that's outrageous!

.. Will ask????
Why don't they tell the US judiciary to take a running jump?

If he'd tried the same with the Russians and compromised some of their systems then we'd be more likely to be on the receiving end of a missile attack than an extradiction request.

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I just poked my head in this thread and that made me laugh!

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If he'd tried the same with the Russians and compromised some of their systems then we'd be more likely to be on the receiving end of a missile attack than an extradiction request.

We don't know if he has do we?

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If he'd tried the same with the Russians and compromised some of their systems then we'd be more likely to be on the receiving end of a missile attack than an extradiction request.

We don't know if he has do we?

Nothing that he, and he's been very open about his activities, has said has even hinted that he tried to hack into the systems of any other country.

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have two sons on the spectrum, 1 with apsergers and the other boy is quite low functioning autism..

I cannot for the life of me understand how they can even consider putting this to trial.. anyone who understands this condition would know it's ridiculous idea...

I read a story the other day about a boy in the US who murdered his mother, he is very low functioning autism, he and his mum lived alone, he had an outburst (common thing to happen) and he attacked her.. she died days later in hospital.. he now sits in a court room, in a plastic suit restrained, with a helmet on to stop him spitting... ARE THEY MAD???? he has no idea what he has done, he will have very little idea of death.. he will not be aware his mum is gone, and he is being held on remand!!!!

I know gary won't be as bad as that, but the lack of understanding beggers belief!! if he was looking for UFO's then thats how it happened, his motives were not bad or terrorist like....

What an awful story, the problem is, although he didn't have the same awareness as a 'normal' person where else could he be left? what if he were to have another 'outburst'? The same goes with the hacker although he wasn't meaning to cause any harm what if he does it again?

So, he has Aspergers. If he had gone on a killing rampage, perhaps killing prostitutes, would that have made it alright to use his condition as a defense? Suppose some hacker from the states infiltrated MI5? Would you want him tried here or in the states?

It amazes me that people make excuses for someone with Aspergers - "he doesn't know what he is doing", "he is such an innocent" etc., etc. While at the same time wanting those with Aspergers to be treated the same as everyone else. Part of being treated the same as everyone else is being responsible for your own actions. And being judged for who and what you are is part of that.

I have worked with people with disabilites for most of my adult life. There are people that I liked and people that I disliked. I tend to judge people on their characteristics rather than their disabilities.

So, Gary is to be extradited. How is that different to some funde mentalisic Islamic hate monger? Other than the "aw, he is such an innocent person" ?

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I just poked my head in this thread and that made me laugh!

It should be Hattie Harperson, really.

It makes me laugh too. Awww.

I suspect that we may lose this one.

What a difference from the General Pinochet scenario. Remember when Spain wanted him extradited, and we let him slip through our fingers?

Once again, it's one law for your ordinary aspergers Englishman in the street, and one law for your multi-murdering, government overthrowing, fascist.

I still do not see what all the fuss is about.
I have more faith in the American judical system than ours. And I think the American system stinks.

Thought I'd just bump this for Pretty_P.

Just as we are being groomed into thinking that Gary will be transported in luxury, wined and dined, and then be sent back to serve his sentence in a luxury open prison, we find out that the "Jackson kids" (sic) have been cast adrift in a dysfunctional family.
I have a bad feeling about this.