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Originally posted by MysTerry:
I think this case has been particularly high profile just as the drug smuggling girl in Laos.

If a crime has been committed in another country then that country has a right to exercise it's own judicial process.

The British Government has interferred in enough cases around the world by bringing pressure on them to 'return' convicted criminals to serve their sentences here. Which, let's face it, is the softest in the world.

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Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
I'm really sad about this ruling, it shames
our justice system.

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Originally posted by Pengy:

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Originally posted by Aquarius 11:
I'm really sad about this ruling, it shames
our justice system.

it does the fact that he has Aspergers should have been a mitigating factor. Whilst he is obviously a computer whizz, anyone on the autistic spectrum struggles to survive in normal every day life - they'll eat him alive.

I wonder if he has recourse to apply to the European Courts of Human Rights to stop this extradition?

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
You may remember Gary was in my sig a while back. They may as well just hand our keys over to the Americans since they seem to be able to ride roughshod over us.
They even have the arch twat Charlie Wolf giving his twopennorth at the moment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...s-extradition-appeal

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
You may remember Gary was in my sig a while back. They may as well just hand our keys over to the Americans since they seem to be able to ride roughshod over us.
They even have the arch twat Charlie Wolf giving his twopennorth at the moment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...s-extradition-appeal

we dont agree on much, but on this matter we are in absolute agreement, its a complete disgrace.

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

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Originally posted by Mathematics:
I don’t think a lot of people actually realize the severity of his crimes. He knowingly hacked into confidential government files. Compassion aside, that is a monstrous offense.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

They dont need him, they caught him and already know how he did it. This trial is just sending a message to future Garys.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

They dont need him, they caught him and already know how he did it. This trial is just sending a message to future Garys.

What message would that be? Heal yourself?

One feels so powerless. One can't boycott anything American since one doesn't eat any of that fast food shieght or drink any fizzy sugary piss. One can't threaten not to vote Labour. What can one do?

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Mathematics:
I don’t think a lot of people actually realize the severity of his crimes. He knowingly hacked into confidential government files. Compassion aside, that is a monstrous offense.

Also really foolhardy. You don't mess with the Yanks or the Russians.

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Originally posted by charmer:
my step-son has aspergers, he's in his 20's and really doesnt know right from wrong
so ive got a lot of understanding for this gary bloke and his mom
its a waste of time, effort and money to send him to america, where on trial, he'll just probably agree with everything thats thrown at him

hardly fair is it?

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Originally posted by tupps:
The inequities of the extradition agreement aside, which clearly need reviewing if the statistics are correct, this is a case of a man who has hacked into computer systems, contrary to law.

He has committed an offence for which he should stand trial. And remember, the extradition is for that trial. He has not yet been convicted of any crime (although he has admitted guilt) and the court has not heard his case and not heard any mitigating circumstances. The outcome of any trial is not yet known and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that any sentence he may get could be served in an English prison.

The problem is that the powers that be are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think the US also has a quandary: any outcome sends a message. They have to been seen to be cracking down on this as well as cracking down on this. The problem is that terrorism, for example, is not limited to planes being flown into buildings or people strapping explosives onto their body and detonating them in a crowd of people. Cyber terrorism is a real threat also. And, while I am not suggesting that McKinnon is a cyber terrorist or was doing anything more than trying to find evidence of UFOs, if someone hacks into US military computer systems what are they (the US) going to do.. as I have said, rock and a hard place.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by tupps:
The inequities of the extradition agreement aside, which clearly need reviewing if the statistics are correct, this is a case of a man who has hacked into computer systems, contrary to law.

He has committed an offence for which he should stand trial. And remember, the extradition is for that trial. He has not yet been convicted of any crime (although he has admitted guilt) and the court has not heard his case and not heard any mitigating circumstances. The outcome of any trial is not yet known and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that any sentence he may get could be served in an English prison.

The problem is that the powers that be are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think the US also has a quandary: any outcome sends a message. They have to been seen to be cracking down on this as well as cracking down on this. The problem is that terrorism, for example, is not limited to planes being flown into buildings or people strapping explosives onto their body and detonating them in a crowd of people. Cyber terrorism is a real threat also. And, while I am not suggesting that McKinnon is a cyber terrorist or was doing anything more than trying to find evidence of UFOs, if someone hacks into US military computer systems what are they (the US) going to do.. as I have said, rock and a hard place.

Indeed Perhaps then the Americans should go to the heart of cyber terrorism and start extraditing Chinese hackers. Or would that be too difficult for them?

Myself, I doubt that extraditing Gary will send a message to anyone.

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

They dont need him, they caught him and already know how he did it. This trial is just sending a message to future Garys.

What message would that be? Heal yourself?

One feels so powerless. One can't boycott anything American since one doesn't eat any of that fast food shieght or drink any fizzy sugary piss. One can't threaten not to vote Labour. What can one do?

So anyone with Asbergers can break any law they want then, cool. See my other post he should be tried here and any medical condition should be taken into account.

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by CaptVimes:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by charmer:
if the americans had any sense-they'd hire him not prosecute/persecute him

Absolutely, if he could find his way into their computer systems then he could tell them how to prevent it.

or given the trouble they are causing him he could write a how to book and publish it on the net, give them something to REALLY worry about.

They dont need him, they caught him and already know how he did it. This trial is just sending a message to future Garys.

What message would that be? Heal yourself?

One feels so powerless. One can't boycott anything American since one doesn't eat any of that fast food shieght or drink any fizzy sugary piss. One can't threaten not to vote Labour. What can one do?

So anyone with Asbergers can break any law they want then, cool. See my other post he should be tried here and any medical condition should be taken into account.

No people with Aspergers shouldn't get away with breaking the law but being Aspergers leads to often highly intelligent people showing obsessive behaviours and once something becomes fixed in their brain they carry on doing it over and over again.