Hubby has come home early so I probably won't be back tonight. Will catch up again tomorrow.
Afternoon Squiggle. Well the toing and froing goes on!!
Hubby has come home early so I probably won't be back tonight. Will catch up again tomorrow.
Hubby has come home early so I probably won't be back tonight. Will catch up again tomorrow.
To my mind they are all putting the country last. What on earth will this instability do to our economic situation. By the by I have heard many people say how unbiased the BBC is nowadays. Ha! They have just had a news special where there was not one Conservative to be seen 
Hubby has just gone off to bed with a sniffle (thinks he's man flu I think). Therefore I can get back on the computer!!
Well what do you think is going to happen now Squiggle? Looked in on the GB is resigning thread and wanted to scream at them but just backed out again.
Looks like NC wants a little more limelight. Don't know which way this is going to go now. Would love you view on matters.
Well what do you think is going to happen now Squiggle? Looked in on the GB is resigning thread and wanted to scream at them but just backed out again.
Looks like NC wants a little more limelight. Don't know which way this is going to go now. Would love you view on matters.
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Hubby has just gone off to bed with a sniffle (thinks he's man flu I think).
Every cloud has a silver lining Joyron, at least you get extra time on the computer.
I've been cutting down the bushes, tree and shrubs in the back garden today. Hubby will need to do the high stuff - I'm only a tiddler, so I can't reach.
Yes you can say that Yogi but I will have to be full of sympathy for "days" to come!! I really hate it when he's unwell. Thankfully it's never anything serious but it FEELS like it is in his little world!!
Joyron you will just have to coddle him, make sure you come on here lots and we will cheer you up. As regards the day's happenings I am watching with great interest. It was quite funny on that News Special that I mentioned earlier on Alastair Campbell and Lord Adonis were positively quivering . I did notice just now when AC talked on the BBC news he was a little more playing it down. Interestingly Nick Robinson said that since this campaign (Lib Dem Lab joining together) was being put together by Alastair Campbell (unelected), Peter Mandelson (unelected) and Lord Adonis (unelected) David Cameron might take the view that this was illegal. We will wait and see.
. I did notice just now when AC talked on the BBC news he was a little more playing it down. Interestingly Nick Robinson said that since this campaign (Lib Dem Lab joining together) was being put together by Alastair Campbell (unelected), Peter Mandelson (unelected) and Lord Adonis (unelected) David Cameron might take the view that this was illegal. We will wait and see.
Joyron thought you might like to see this editorial from The Telegraph - my only reservation is what will this do to our country?
A Lib-Lab coalition would be democratically preposterous, defying the laws of political gravity. But for that very reason it could, in the medium term, be the best possible outcome for the Tories. It would be losers propping up losers. It would be hugely difficult to keep together, lacking a majority of its own and requiring life-support from various nationalist parties. It would be vulnerable to all sorts of unsavoury Celtic blackmail, enraging the already long-suffering English (whose own voting intentions were very clear.)
It would lead to a second unelected prime minister. It might well trigger serious trouble in the financial markets. It would have to make drastic cuts with no mandate whatever. Electoral reform (which I support) would be discredited, because it would be seen as a cynical gerrymander to keep losers in power. Labour would probably be unable to deliver it, even if they wanted to (and itâs far from certain that they do.)
For all these reasons, a red-yellow alliance would be a political disaster for all those involved. When the inevitable collapse, and new election, came, probably within months, both Labour and the Lib Dems would be annihilated.
The much more sensible thing for Labour to do would be to go into opposition, let the Tories and Lib Dems suffer the pain of having to make cuts, and hope to profit in a future election, which might also come rather more quickly than usual.
The next year or two would have been horrible enough for whoever was in charge, even if theyâd had a clear majority. Without one, it will be simply a world of pain. I still think itâs hugely unlikely weâll end up with red-yellow rule â I should imagine the current Lib/Lab negotiations are just Cleggâs way of getting more from the Tories. But if it does somehow happen, the Tories will have dodged a bullet â and been handed an Exocet for later on.
Having read what's written Squiggle I really think (as I said last night) it would be better for DC to walk away and let Labour and the Lib Dems have their head and get on trying to govern. Okay it WILL ruin this country but at the end of the day we should see both parties removed from the political map for some considerable time. At least that's the way I see it. I am absolutley sick to death with all this going backwards and forwards. IF the Lib Dems had any real desire to form a government which would help this country then they would not be "playing" about now. They would go down the route for coalition with the Conservatives, how ever unpalatable that might be to some within their party. I can only take it from their hesitation that they think they will get something "better" by going with Labour. How wrong can they be!!!
I'm no political person (my heart rules my head) but I can only see trouble and hard times ahead!!!
I'm no political person (my heart rules my head) but I can only see trouble and hard times ahead!!!
My goodness (sorry for the expletive, IT could have been much worse). I've just been looking in some of the threads and I REALLY want to tell them what a load of stupid people they are!! I am so pleased that I have the haven of this thread to come back into to say my piece without risking the mob!!!
They are really cackling away aren't they Joyron. There's a bit of me finding it very very funny.
There's a bit of me finding it very very funny.
We can see you, you know....welcome to the Democratic Republic of GaGaLand 
. Seriously, bad form calling fellow forum members stupid like that.
. Seriously, bad form calling fellow forum members stupid like that.
just a hello to everyone,and hope everyone is well.
not commenting on the election as it all goes over my head what they talking about. they all mess it up in the end whoevers in government.
not commenting on the election as it all goes over my head what they talking about. they all mess it up in the end whoevers in government.
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We can see you, you know....welcome to the Democratic Republic of GaGaLand . Seriously, bad form calling fellow forum members stupid like that.
Quick reply to you Suzybean. You have no call to accuse Joyron of bad form, some of the behaviour towards her yesterday and anyone else who did not agree with your 'take' on things leaves you in no position to criticise. What a pity that you came into our lovely friendly thread to leave some poison like that.
Han nice to see you 
, good morning to everyone, especially Joyron, I know it must have been upsetting for you yesterday hon, best leave them alone when they get like that.
, good morning to everyone, especially Joyron, I know it must have been upsetting for you yesterday hon, best leave them alone when they get like that.
Thanks for accusing me of leaving poison squiggle. I saw only one post yesterday from joyron, calling everyone 'stupid'...I have never felt the need to enter this thread, and will never be darkening your door again. I thought you were a considered and measured forum member squiggle. More fool me! One last thing...ask yourself "What would Freddie do?" 
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Thanks for accusing me of leaving poison squiggle. I saw only one post yesterday from joyron, calling everyone 'stupid'...I have never felt the need to enter this thread, and will never be darkening your door again. I thought you were a considered and measured forum member squiggle. More fool me! One last thing...ask yourself "What would Freddie do?"
No use trying to scramble up to the moral high ground now Suzybean. I stand by what I said and knowing Freddie he would support Joyron 100% because as we saw in the house he can't stand bullies.
Just what we need to cheer us all up on this horrible freezing cold May morning, a picture of Freddie
Great picture Squiggle. Really cheered me up. I've left you a PM
Morning everyone.
(Oooooh, I've got my waving smilie today.)
Loving that Freddie pic, Squiggle.
El Loro, thank you for sharing another of your mum's poems. I get the impression that your mum was a bit of a gem herself.
Well the sun is shining again, so I expect I'll be back in the garden today. Squiggle, the dandelions are back again, but I'm gonna get them!
(Oooooh, I've got my waving smilie today.)Loving that Freddie pic, Squiggle.
El Loro, thank you for sharing another of your mum's poems. I get the impression that your mum was a bit of a gem herself.
Well the sun is shining again, so I expect I'll be back in the garden today. Squiggle, the dandelions are back again, but I'm gonna get them!
Joyron, I have replied to your PM
Good afternoon everyone. I hope Joyron will feel able to come back to this forum again now. I hate to see behaviour like that that drives away our gentler forum members.
Evening Squiggle. Thank you SO much for your support. I don't want to post and encourage those "others" to invade our thread but hopefully that won't happen. It looks as things are moving now. Perhaps GB will resign at 9.00 pm so that DC has to enter Downing Street in the dark!!! Anything to make his point. Love you all.
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I hope Joyron will feel able to come back to this forum again now. I hate to see behaviour like that that drives away our gentler forum members
I respectively point out that Joyron made a comment in a different thread about the posters in that thread being "SO stupid", when asked to explain this comment she did not return, instead preferring to come here and post the same ideas. Now for squiggle to accuse others of leaving poison here seems to me misguided. If joyron did not want to be asked to explain her opinion (if we can call it that) then she not have posted it. This whole "gentle" excuse is not acceptable. There are still some forumers wondering why they were being called stupid. I wonder if Joyron feels she could explain this now.Reference:
I respectively point out that Joyron made a comment in a different thread about the posters in that thread being "SO stupid", when asked to explain this comment she did not return, instead preferring to come here and post the same ideas. Now for squiggle to accuse others of leaving poison here seems to me misguided. If joyron did not want to be asked to explain her opinion (if we can call it that) then she not have posted it. This whole "gentle" excuse is not acceptable. There are still some forumers wondering why they were being called stupid. I wonder if Joyron feels she could explain this now.
I suggest you go back and read again those threads that were so attacking of anyone that was not 'toeing the party line'. The tone was very aggressive and were in fact enough to make many of us avoid the forum for most of the evening and most of today. Joyron felt she would be able to take refuge in this our lovely friendly thread. If she had gone back into the aggressive threads both you and I know she would have been torn to shreds. OK it takes all sorts to make a forum and there is a place for the more aggressive members but please don't go around demanding apologies from people who were making a comment about what they genuinely felt. Actually I agree with her, people were being very very stupid, as today's events have shown.
if you would like to point out where I demanded an apology?
Oh dearie me.
Politics....
I love everybody (well, ..nearly everybody.)
Politics....
I love everybody (well, ..nearly everybody.)
Hi Brisket I'm very sorry to have had to post in this thread about something completely irrelevant, it just seemed a bit like double standards to me, and I soon realised the only way I'd get a response was to come here.
Don't worry Trixy. All is fine.
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if you would like to point out where I demanded an apology?
OK I will amend that, you suggested that you thought she should go back and apologise. Do you understand that for many people that would be totally intimidating?Reference:
I suggest you go back and read again those threads that were so attacking of anyone that was not 'toeing the party line'. The tone was very aggressive and were in fact enough to make many of us avoid the forum for most of the evening and most of today. Joyron felt she would be able to take refuge in this our lovely friendly thread. If she had gone back into the aggressive threads both you and I know she would have been torn to shreds. OK it takes all sorts to make a forum and there is a place for the more aggressive members but please don't go around demanding apologies from people who were making a comment about what they genuinely felt. Actually I agree with her, people were being very very stupid, as today's events have shown.
Having read and reread this post- I was not commenting on the threads leading up to the one yesterday, which as far as I could tell reading it was not at all aggressive, I was commenting on the post made by Joyron. I then followed the posts to here, where I see that she has made the same comment again but come in here to do to avoid so called mob mentality. Now had Joyron explained her comment I'm sure she would not have been made into a victim at the hands of aggressive forumers. I am not an aggressive forumer myself, but would still quite like for an explanation as to where the comment came from, not an apology for the comment.Reference:
OK I will amend that, you suggested that you thought she should go back and apologise. Do you understand that for many people that would be totally intimidating?
I did not suggest that squiggle, I suggested that she could go back and explain why she thought the posters were "SO stupid". And no I do not understand how explaining a opinion that I so obviously still think could be intimidating, as if I were to believe it to be true (to the extent of posting it twice) I must be confident of doing so. I am probably one of the least intimidating people on this forum.
Trixy we will have to agree to disagree. For myself I avoided the forum, it went totally lunatic when Labour supporters thought they had a deal, I found it very very aggressive. You couldn't post anything without people having a go at you. I think quite a few of us felt the same there have been more strangers than regulars in this usually lovely supportive thread today.
Then agree to disagree it is.
I personally stayed out of posting in the election threads, as I personally voted Lib Dem, simply because they were offering the better deal for students, and I realise that students do not a country make.
I personally stayed out of posting in the election threads, as I personally voted Lib Dem, simply because they were offering the better deal for students, and I realise that students do not a country make.
Trixy I hope you can understand a little more how intimated Joyron felt. I have fallen foul of this sort of thing before and so I was a little more cautious but Joyron I know felt personally under attack and made the comment that she did. I personally do not feel that she then has to go back and justify her remark, just chalk it up to experience, lots of things are said in the heat of the moment on here. If people keep going on and on about one remark there is a chance that we will lose a very friendly forummer. I don't want that and I am sure you don't either.
If asking for joyron to explain just why we were all SO stupid is being aggressive then you have clearly all forgotten what the C4 forum used to be like.
As far as I can see both in that thread and the Election Results thread we we getting along just fine with differing views without any level of aggression hence, I think, the degree of bemusement as to precisely what it was we were all being so stupid about.
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As far as I can see both in that thread and the Election Results thread we we getting along just fine with differing views without any level of aggression hence, I think, the degree of bemusement as to precisely what it was we were all being so stupid about.
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Just now on another thread - no I am not going to pin it down, I saw someone comment that I cannot believe a word you say. Is that somehow less agressive than Joyron's comment? Why the witch hunt?
What anyone else posted anywhere else is clearly irrelevant. I wanted specifically to know what 'we' were being so stupid about. It is not a witch hunt. A single derogatory post in a perfectly amicable thread. Some might call that pure trolling.
I still wait to be enlightened as to what, precisely, we were all being SO stupid about. Is that so very much to ask?
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I still wait to be enlightened as to what, precisely, we were all being SO stupid about. Is that so very much to ask?
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I've not posted in this thread before , but I to felt out of it yesterday, being told I should work for Sky News and of being a prawn sandwich .....not nice 
, but I to felt out of it yesterday, being told I should work for Sky News and of being a prawn sandwich .....not nice Reference:
I've not posted in this thread before , but I to felt out of it yesterday, being told I should work for Sky News and of being a prawn sandwich .....not nice
I think a lot of us felt like that lal, now I am being theatened with being banned by the mods for attempting to support my fellow Freddster.