quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:As far as I am concerned, disability doesn't mean that you are not accountable.
Completely agree...unless I ever spill a drink on you
or I drop a drink on you
or I drop a drink on you
*Hands out straws*
*drops straw* 
(actually I'm going through a nice little remmission stage atm
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(actually I'm going through a nice little remmission stage atm
)quote:Originally posted by pepsi:
*drops straw*
(actually I'm going through a nice little remmission stage atm
That's fab news!
Thanks so much for that pepsi! 
It's explained so much about Freddie's behaviour to me... in particular his apparently smug gloating over Lisa being up for eviction. In fact, it was probably relief at seeing some comprehendible justice and order in the chaos of events. But I still think it's fair that FMs can 'call him' when he appears to be mishandling events... not doing so would be condescending, and otherwise we get another repeat of Pete and Mikey's victories.
It's explained so much about Freddie's behaviour to me... in particular his apparently smug gloating over Lisa being up for eviction. In fact, it was probably relief at seeing some comprehendible justice and order in the chaos of events. But I still think it's fair that FMs can 'call him' when he appears to be mishandling events... not doing so would be condescending, and otherwise we get another repeat of Pete and Mikey's victories.
I know it's not the same, but I have AS and I react in a similar way to Freddie. Like him I need time to think through what I say and when she came out with 'Why are you speaking at me like that?' just cut me through to the heart. I can also understand the panicking and the stress because that's how I react as well when I cannot make my point because I don't have time to gather my thoughts.
I am not suggesting for a moment that Bea is not entitled to her opinion but she should have been more constructive in how she put them across.
I am not suggesting for a moment that Bea is not entitled to her opinion but she should have been more constructive in how she put them across.
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh i'm feeling all guilty now (not) my husa=band and oldest son are both quite severely dyslexic. i've never ever felt the need to treat them differently on day to day matters .....we all have our own ways of dealing with things emotionally ........i really and truly dont think that being dyslexic is any different. FGS!- I really and truly dont ..................no disrespect but ..........if someone struggles with spelling, reading etc that's one thing ..........................struggling emotionally is something we all do. Not buying the dyslexia disadvantage at all.
quote:Originally posted by langster:
Can I just add to this please? Although I don't personally have dislexia I think that his need to clarify things although may be something to do with dislexia is also more to do with him being a caring, sensitive and loving person on a whole.
I am very much the same after an argument with someone I care about. It plays on my mind BADLY and I constantly run through it in my head and think of what I should have said etc. But I get an almost uncontrolable urge to go back and repeat it until it gets sorted. I can never let things go unsaid and I hate going to bed on an argument, I need it sorted before I can rest at ease. I understand this is often the worst thing to do as it can easily ignite situations further and can be seen as obsessive behaviour etc, but it's just how I am, I don't like to argue with the people I love or care about. I always try to resolve things as quickly as possible. And i think this is obviously a trait in Freddie as well. I completely empethise with him on this one.
However, in recent years I have learnt to chill and let things lie and come back at a later time when everything has cooled down, it's just hard to. I just hope Freddie, in time, can learn the same as I can see now how annoying it can be at times. Although in my eyes he has done nothing wrong. Bea is just a cupid stunt!
I know. I'm exactly the same, but you just have to go against your instincts and 'let it go' Whatever will be, will be. None of us have the power to force the issue - however much we'd like to
quote:Originally posted by Duckypup:
This is what I put his behaviour down to.
I don't think we should be neccessarily demonising Bea though...... she couldn't have predicted his reaction.
Hate her for her words.... but not their effect.
She's studied psychology so she has studied human reaction. Somewhere in there, she may well have studied dyslexia as a psychological condition. And she must have known Freddie was dyslexic before she went in.
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh i'm feeling all guilty now (not) my husa=band and oldest son are both quite severely dyslexic. i've never ever felt the need to treat them differently on day to day matters .....we all have our own ways of dealing with things emotionally ........i really and truly dont think that being dyslexic is any different. FGS!- I really and truly dont ..................no disrespect but ..........if someone struggles with spelling, reading etc that's one thing ..........................struggling emotionally is something we all do. Not buying the dyslexia disadvantage at all.
NOBODY was saying he was at a disadvantage.... NOBODY has said he whould be treated differently
FFS!
All that has been highlighted is how Freddie probably "thought processes" things differently and may be why he has difficulty in putting thoughts into words when he is under attack from Bea
quote:Originally posted by pepsi:quote:Originally posted by ~LEE~:Just watching it again....Freddy is struggling to speak and that nasty mare says why are you speaking like that.
Yeah Lee...that's what inspired me to post this. She , who is supposed to be sooo intelligent and psychologically aware, had to even ASK him that?....
Thank you for this thread, Pepsi. I've learnt much more about dyslexia, which I thought was just problems with "jumbled up letters".
quote:Originally posted by Videostar:quote:Originally posted by Barolo:
I still can't stand the odious maggot!
Whats Charlie's exuse for his lack of comminication skills.?
Lack of education. Simples.
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh i'm feeling all guilty now (not) my husa=band and oldest son are both quite severely dyslexic. i've never ever felt the need to treat them differently on day to day matters .....we all have our own ways of dealing with things emotionally ........i really and truly dont think that being dyslexic is any different. FGS!- I really and truly dont ..................no disrespect but ..........if someone struggles with spelling, reading etc that's one thing ..........................struggling emotionally is something we all do. Not buying the dyslexia disadvantage at all.
Quick, redo that action research you silly university you, you've got it all wrong!
I think, soozy, in some cases, that dyslexia with its additional cognitive burden, puts some under real pressure.. you want to get it right, to not make a terrible arse of it , and that brings with it an additional emotional "layer" if you like.. difficult to explain, but for me it's like a brainfog kind of thing, you can actually feel the overload sometimes ( like gears grinding as you struggle to compute!). at those times I find i have to go off on my own to kinda regroup, calm a bit and get the head back into gear before I can function . Pepsi's quote puts it really well I think and , frankly, the "no disresepct" in your post doesn't sit well with the "Ifeel guilty ( not)" and the "FGS" - you are seeming to write off the findings as mince !
Pepsi Thank you so much for putting the info up. I am familiar with pupils with Dyslexia, and I felt wound up beyond belief watching the way Bea spoke to Freddie tonight.
My heart broke for him. I have so much respect for him in the fact that despite having Dyslexia he continued with his education. Bea is a scumbag.
My heart broke for him. I have so much respect for him in the fact that despite having Dyslexia he continued with his education. Bea is a scumbag.
quote:Originally posted by pepsi:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh i'm feeling all guilty now (not) my husa=band and oldest son are both quite severely dyslexic. i've never ever felt the need to treat them differently on day to day matters .....we all have our own ways of dealing with things emotionally ........i really and truly dont think that being dyslexic is any different. FGS!- I really and truly dont ..................no disrespect but ..........if someone struggles with spelling, reading etc that's one thing ..........................struggling emotionally is something we all do. Not buying the dyslexia disadvantage at all.
NOBODY was saying he was at a disadvantage.... NOBODY has said he whould be treated differently
FFS!
All that has been highlighted is how Freddie probably "thought processes" things differently and may be why he has difficulty in putting thoughts into words when he is under attack from Bea
Doh.. there ya go , a perfect example.. I was angsting over trying to get my post as right as I could and while I was trying to get it out ( ooer missis) Pepsi said it all
Good post pepsie
Both my boys (young men) are dyslexic & have ADHD. I'd best keep it zipped or I will explode.
Both my boys (young men) are dyslexic & have ADHD. I'd best keep it zipped or I will explode.
quote:Originally posted by Essex Angel:
Good post pepsie
Both my boys (young men) are dyslexic & have ADHD. I'd best keep it zipped or I will explode.
Yep know how you feel.
I've learnt a thing or two from this thread, thanks.
quote:Originally posted by Essex Angel:
Good post pepsie
Both my boys (young men) are dyslexic & have ADHD. I'd best keep it zipped or I will explode.
Not worth getting your elastic in a knot sweetheart. Nobody can talk sense to a fool!
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:quote:Originally posted by Essex Angel:
Good post pepsie
Both my boys (young men) are dyslexic & have ADHD. I'd best keep it zipped or I will explode.
Not worth getting your elastic in a knot sweetheart. Nobody can talk sense to a fool!
Funny thing is Tiddly, what Bea did to Freddie, my oldest son has done to my youngest son, then I did it to my oldest.
I'm sorry if I've offended folks here but I do live with two members of my family who have dyslexia .............they have problems (which we get round) with reading, spelling and general literacy .........it doesn't hamper their lives or emotional well being.
Freddie is quite happy to lay back in bed and accept that he has used his intellect to brow beat people ......he has a University degree 2:1 and has quite obviously overidden the dyslexia problems. In all honesty I feel more sorry for Dave and lisa who haven't had the advantage of a good education and struggle with putting a coherent argument together when confronted by the oh so cocky Freddie.
Sorry if it offends but dyslexia has bugger all to do with it in my opinion. Freddie is simply an over bearing arse.
Freddie is quite happy to lay back in bed and accept that he has used his intellect to brow beat people ......he has a University degree 2:1 and has quite obviously overidden the dyslexia problems. In all honesty I feel more sorry for Dave and lisa who haven't had the advantage of a good education and struggle with putting a coherent argument together when confronted by the oh so cocky Freddie.
Sorry if it offends but dyslexia has bugger all to do with it in my opinion. Freddie is simply an over bearing arse.
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
Congratulations and well done to your son!
quote:Originally posted by Duckypup:
This is what I put his behaviour down to.
I don't think we should be neccessarily demonising Bea though...... she couldn't have predicted his reaction.
Hate her for her words.... but not their effect.
I agree.
Interesting to learn all that, as the only people I know with Dyslexia don't seem to have those problems, but I accept that Freddie might.
However, whatever you think of Bea, she wasn't to know that. She doesn't even know that the Queen's husband is still alive.
And it's hardly the same as Nicole asking Mikey to carry a pan full of hot sausages across the room to her, is it?
quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
My brother's the same Azure... so profoundly dyslexic that he left school with a gsce in art and thats all. Teachers didn't even pick up on it til he was 14, but still didn't bother plucking him out of the remedial classes.
They told him his options were 'limited'. My mum dragged him down the careers advice centre, and there was a placement for an apprentice computer programmer. Everything clicked. He couldn't read numbers or letters properly... but computer code... it was like the matrix!!!
6 yrs later he had his own business... earned his first million - Consulting. He drove past his school, in his Lotus Elise... papped his horn and waved at his head of year!
quote:Originally posted by Essex Angel:quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:quote:Originally posted by Essex Angel:
Good post pepsie
Both my boys (young men) are dyslexic & have ADHD. I'd best keep it zipped or I will explode.
Not worth getting your elastic in a knot sweetheart. Nobody can talk sense to a fool!
Funny thing is Tiddly, what Bea did to Freddie, my oldest son has done to my youngest son, then I did it to my oldest.
You're all family though, and you will always defend each other against outsiders, saying the things you do to each other!
Interesting information.. but it doesn't really tell me anything about Freddie. He may not tick any of the boxes, he may tick all of them.. but I don't know because I'm not close to him nor am I his GP. Neither would Bea know.. so it'd be unfair to judge her on something she couldn't let alone wouldn't know.
quote:Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
My brother's the same Azure... so profoundly dyslexic that he left school with a gsce in art and thats all. Teachers didn't even pick up on it til he was 14, but still didn't bother plucking him out of the remedial classes.
They told him his options were 'limited'. My mum dragged him down the careers advice centre, and there was a placement for an apprentice computer programmer. Everything clicked. He couldn't read numbers or letters properly... but computer code... it was like the matrix!!!
6 yrs later he had his own business... earned his first million - Consulting. He drove past his school, in his Lotus Elise... papped his horn and waved at his head of year!
Love it!quote:Sorry if it offends but dyslexia has bugger all to do with it in my opinion
I haven't seen anyone anywhere in the thread attribute his emotional reactions to his dyslexia...nor his personality traits...
Just that maybe he has to "collect" his thoughts under stress or...to be more blunt about it...search his memory banks (like a PC I guess
) to organises his words etc...I think maybe you're reading more into the thread than anyone intended?
Don't forget she had Marcus lost for words too!
But he just does a growl, instead of the 'Mmmmmmm's.
But he just does a growl, instead of the 'Mmmmmmm's.
quote:Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
My brother's the same Azure... so profoundly dyslexic that he left school with a gsce in art and thats all. Teachers didn't even pick up on it til he was 14, but still didn't bother plucking him out of the remedial classes.
They told him his options were 'limited'. My mum dragged him down the careers advice centre, and there was a placement for an apprentice computer programmer. Everything clicked. He couldn't read numbers or letters properly... but computer code... it was like the matrix!!!
6 yrs later he had his own business... earned his first million - Consulting. He drove past his school, in his Lotus Elise... papped his horn and waved at his head of year!
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
Don't forget she had Marcus lost for words too!
But he just does a growl, instead of the 'Mmmmmmm's.
True! Plus the fact she has a good vocabulary, matched with the speed she accesses it...oh and those bloody non verbal signals (miss pet lip 2009/face like a smacked arse)...I reckon she'd be good at disarming a lot of folk in the heat of the moment
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
Don't forget she had Marcus lost for words too!
But he just does a growl, instead of the 'Mmmmmmm's.
True! Plus the fact she has a good vocabulary, matched with the speed she accesses it...oh and those bloody non verbal signals (miss pet lip 2009/face like a smacked arse)...I reckon she'd be good at disarming a lot of folk in the heat of the moment
Exackerly!
quote:Originally posted by electric6:quote:Sorry if it offends but dyslexia has bugger all to do with it in my opinion
I haven't seen anyone anywhere in the thread attribute his emotional reactions to his dyslexia...nor his personality traits...
Just that maybe he has to "collect" his thoughts under stress or...to be more blunt about it...search his memory banks (like a PC I guess
I think maybe you're reading more into the thread than anyone intended?
I accept I may have read it incorrectly .............just like me to jump the gun
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
I accept I may have read it incorrectly .............just like me to jump the gun
I think Peps was trying to help folk understand his umms...ahhs and the 'gaps'when he looks like he's concentrating...especially during the barney with Bea. That's the impression I got anyway
quote:Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
go on the pair of em, I am so proud of him and his dad was unbelievably proud, I know ditty you must be as well,
my son has a large 50ft yacht, a 6 bedroom home, he is in Texas as I type, but will be in Abu dabi next week, his office is in Monte Carlo with a second one in Holland. I cant believe how well our boy has done and the teachers washed their hands of him, well do you know what Ditty they did him a good turn.
My brother's the same Azure... so profoundly dyslexic that he left school with a gsce in art and thats all. Teachers didn't even pick up on it til he was 14, but still didn't bother plucking him out of the remedial classes.
They told him his options were 'limited'. My mum dragged him down the careers advice centre, and there was a placement for an apprentice computer programmer. Everything clicked. He couldn't read numbers or letters properly... but computer code... it was like the matrix!!!
6 yrs later he had his own business... earned his first million - Consulting. He drove past his school, in his Lotus Elise... papped his horn and waved at his head of year!
quote:Originally posted by pepsi:
Taken from here ..... http://www.computing.dundee.ac...anding_dyslexia3.asp
I wanted to draw your attention to this particular bit...
What are the secondary characteristics of dyslexia?
This section has so far dealt with what are known as the primary effects of the dyslexic brain on the functioning of the dyslexic person. We have also seen how these cognitive characteristics affect reading and writing and general tasks which rely on short-term memory.
However, there are also characteristics associated with being dyslexic which develop as a consequence of our experiences. In education, for example, there is an emphasis on the use of short-term memory and its associated functions. This has an impact on our emotional responses to learning. (See also Section 2: What is dyslexia? - short-term memory)
"We started a computer induction project two weeks ago and I sat down there and it was just too much information going in - I just felt really stressed out. I went to my tutor and told him I felt I'd really learnt nothing, I was really angry with myself - a feeling of failure. However, I knew what I had to do was just go in and have a fiddle and break it up into segments - don't look at the whole thing, just look at what you have learnt; what did you learn yesterday? Well, I can switch it on now, now thatïŋ―s a start!"
These secondary characteristics can be disabling and usually arise because the primary effects of dyslexia were not addressed or understood.
These secondary characteristics are typically:
* Anxiety.
* Stress.
* Panic.
"If someone is not being coherent - adding ten more equations into the one thing you want to talk about - youïŋ―ve got all these images coming up, it's like a balloon with a whole load of balls inside it and they're all just bouncing off each other and you don't know which ball you want to take out and there's only about two that you need to work with. If thereïŋ―s too many balls in the bag, well, you can juggle, but it's not conducive to what I really want."
* Lack of confidence.
* Not liking or valuing self.
"When I try to say something I'm always worried it will come out wrong, 'cos it always does, so I never say it."
* Tiredness.
* Fatigue.
* Burnout.
"I say to myself: 'Look, I've been taught - I can read, I can write, I can spell.' But when I get tired, at the end of the day it's too much - it takes so much longer when I'm tired."
* Frustration.
* Anger.
"It would be nice if everyone knew how frustrating it is - if they could be dyslexic just for three weeks, find out how much harder it is, what you go through to get anywhere."
I realised a while ago that Freddie's sighs and erms were his way of coping with getting his thoughts into order before speaking them.
His reaction to the disgusting treatment from Bea...a person he thought he liked and could trust, is completely understandable
Maybe those who have judged him on his "quirky" ways should take a step back and try to imagine what it is like gathering your thoughts together and explaining your feelings when you have dyslexia
Ta muchly for the effort of writing this valuable information indeed there is some thing quite credible[ blimey I'm tired] in what you say which explains certain things. I personally thought when Freddie ummmed when listening was infact saying that he had heard but then that he had the desire[need] to process the information before he would or could respond!But it is also a response to some thing that he has been told but does not necessary agree with but is too polite to disagree!
Again ta muchly!
Pst!!! Don't take notice of barliooooooli! It's way past his bed time!
quote:Originally posted by Azure:quote:Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
go on the pair of em, I am so proud of him and his dad was unbelievably proud, I know ditty you must be as well,
my son has a large 50ft yacht, a 6 bedroom home, he is in Texas as I type, but will be in Abu dabi next week, his office is in Monte Carlo with a second one in Holland. I cant believe how well our boy has done and the teachers washed their hands of him, well do you know what Ditty they did him a good turn.
My brother's the same Azure... so profoundly dyslexic that he left school with a gsce in art and thats all. Teachers didn't even pick up on it til he was 14, but still didn't bother plucking him out of the remedial classes.
They told him his options were 'limited'. My mum dragged him down the careers advice centre, and there was a placement for an apprentice computer programmer. Everything clicked. He couldn't read numbers or letters properly... but computer code... it was like the matrix!!!
6 yrs later he had his own business... earned his first million - Consulting. He drove past his school, in his Lotus Elise... papped his horn and waved at his head of year!
sorry I cocked that post up, I am a numpty when it comes to posting but hey I raised...........oh ok his dad did a brilliant son.
quote:Originally posted by Azure:quote:Originally posted by Azure:quote:Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:quote:Originally posted by Azure:
my son was/is Dyslexic his teachers said he would amount to nothing and did'nt help,
he now has his own international business as an Oil and Gas Rig consultant, his dyslexia drove him to succeed.
go on the pair of em, I am so proud of him and his dad was unbelievably proud, I know ditty you must be as well,
my son has a large 50ft yacht, a 6 bedroom home, he is in Texas as I type, but will be in Abu dabi next week, his office is in Monte Carlo with a second one in Holland. I cant believe how well our boy has done and the teachers washed their hands of him, well do you know what Ditty they did him a good turn.
My brother's the same Azure... so profoundly dyslexic that he left school with a gsce in art and thats all. Teachers didn't even pick up on it til he was 14, but still didn't bother plucking him out of the remedial classes.
They told him his options were 'limited'. My mum dragged him down the careers advice centre, and there was a placement for an apprentice computer programmer. Everything clicked. He couldn't read numbers or letters properly... but computer code... it was like the matrix!!!
6 yrs later he had his own business... earned his first million - Consulting. He drove past his school, in his Lotus Elise... papped his horn and waved at his head of year!
sorry I cocked that post up, I am a numpty when it comes to posting but hey I raised...........oh ok his dad did a brilliant son.
Fantastic! good for them and you!
