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Taken from here ..... http://www.computing.dundee.ac...anding_dyslexia3.asp


I wanted to draw your attention to this particular bit...

What are the secondary characteristics of dyslexia?

This section has so far dealt with what are known as the primary effects of the dyslexic brain on the functioning of the dyslexic person. We have also seen how these cognitive characteristics affect reading and writing and general tasks which rely on short-term memory.

However, there are also characteristics associated with being dyslexic which develop as a consequence of our experiences. In education, for example, there is an emphasis on the use of short-term memory and its associated functions. This has an impact on our emotional responses to learning. (See also Section 2: What is dyslexia? - short-term memory)

"We started a computer induction project two weeks ago and I sat down there and it was just too much information going in - I just felt really stressed out. I went to my tutor and told him I felt I'd really learnt nothing, I was really angry with myself - a feeling of failure. However, I knew what I had to do was just go in and have a fiddle and break it up into segments - don't look at the whole thing, just look at what you have learnt; what did you learn yesterday? Well, I can switch it on now, now thatοΏ½s a start!"

These secondary characteristics can be disabling and usually arise because the primary effects of dyslexia were not addressed or understood.

These secondary characteristics are typically:

* Anxiety.
* Stress.
* Panic.

"If someone is not being coherent - adding ten more equations into the one thing you want to talk about - youοΏ½ve got all these images coming up, it's like a balloon with a whole load of balls inside it and they're all just bouncing off each other and you don't know which ball you want to take out and there's only about two that you need to work with. If thereοΏ½s too many balls in the bag, well, you can juggle, but it's not conducive to what I really want."

* Lack of confidence.
* Not liking or valuing self.

"When I try to say something I'm always worried it will come out wrong, 'cos it always does, so I never say it."

* Tiredness.
* Fatigue.
* Burnout.

"I say to myself: 'Look, I've been taught - I can read, I can write, I can spell.' But when I get tired, at the end of the day it's too much - it takes so much longer when I'm tired."

* Frustration.
* Anger.

"It would be nice if everyone knew how frustrating it is - if they could be dyslexic just for three weeks, find out how much harder it is, what you go through to get anywhere."



I realised a while ago that Freddie's sighs and erms were his way of coping with getting his thoughts into order before speaking them.

His reaction to the disgusting treatment from Bea...a person he thought he liked and could trust, is completely understandable

Maybe those who have judged him on his "quirky" ways should take a step back and try to imagine what it is like gathering your thoughts together and explaining your feelings when you have dyslexia

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Thank you for that post pepsi.
Informative.

There was also a thread on here a couple of weeks ago in which Freddie`s friend Ravi was offering his opinion on how dyslexia affects Freddie`s life.
I`m no expert on the matter but some of these points fit with Freddie`s difficulties tonight in getting to grips with things. They also match with Freddie`s need to have things clarified in his head.
brisket
quote:
Originally posted by pepsi:
Taken from here ..... http://www.computing.dundee.ac...anding_dyslexia3.asp


I wanted to draw your attention to this particular bit...

What are the secondary characteristics of dyslexia?

This section has so far dealt with what are known as the primary effects of the dyslexic brain on the functioning of the dyslexic person. We have also seen how these cognitive characteristics affect reading and writing and general tasks which rely on short-term memory.

However, there are also characteristics associated with being dyslexic which develop as a consequence of our experiences. In education, for example, there is an emphasis on the use of short-term memory and its associated functions. This has an impact on our emotional responses to learning. (See also Section 2: What is dyslexia? - short-term memory)

"We started a computer induction project two weeks ago and I sat down there and it was just too much information going in - I just felt really stressed out. I went to my tutor and told him I felt I'd really learnt nothing, I was really angry with myself - a feeling of failure. However, I knew what I had to do was just go in and have a fiddle and break it up into segments - don't look at the whole thing, just look at what you have learnt; what did you learn yesterday? Well, I can switch it on now, now thatοΏ½s a start!"

These secondary characteristics can be disabling and usually arise because the primary effects of dyslexia were not addressed or understood.

These secondary characteristics are typically:

* Anxiety.
* Stress.
* Panic.

"If someone is not being coherent - adding ten more equations into the one thing you want to talk about - youοΏ½ve got all these images coming up, it's like a balloon with a whole load of balls inside it and they're all just bouncing off each other and you don't know which ball you want to take out and there's only about two that you need to work with. If thereοΏ½s too many balls in the bag, well, you can juggle, but it's not conducive to what I really want."

* Lack of confidence.
* Not liking or valuing self.

"When I try to say something I'm always worried it will come out wrong, 'cos it always does, so I never say it."

* Tiredness.
* Fatigue.
* Burnout.

"I say to myself: 'Look, I've been taught - I can read, I can write, I can spell.' But when I get tired, at the end of the day it's too much - it takes so much longer when I'm tired."

* Frustration.
* Anger.

"It would be nice if everyone knew how frustrating it is - if they could be dyslexic just for three weeks, find out how much harder it is, what you go through to get anywhere."



I realised a while ago that Freddie's sighs and erms were his way of coping with getting his thoughts into order before speaking them.

His reaction to the disgusting treatment from Bea...a person he thought he liked and could trust, is completely understandable

Maybe those who have judged him on his "quirky" ways should take a step back and try to imagine what it is like gathering your thoughts together and explaining your feelings when you have dyslexia
Thanks Pepsi Thumbs Up I've always thought that Knobber's dyslexia explains some of his behaviour - perhaps not all of it, but some Wink

AND, I still love him! Nod
K
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Originally posted by cologne1:
I fear this will fall on deaf ears pepsi. I seemed to remember Mikey last year and the secondary symptoms that went with his blindness and still FMs put him down. Frowner


It will indeed fall on deaf ears. Some people have made their minds up about Freddy. They dislike him no matter what and prefer to think of him as the devil incarnate.
Liverpoollass
Can I just add to this please? Although I don't personally have dislexia I think that his need to clarify things although may be something to do with dislexia is also more to do with him being a caring, sensitive and loving person on a whole.

I am very much the same after an argument with someone I care about. It plays on my mind BADLY and I constantly run through it in my head and think of what I should have said etc. But I get an almost uncontrolable urge to go back and repeat it until it gets sorted. I can never let things go unsaid and I hate going to bed on an argument, I need it sorted before I can rest at ease. I understand this is often the worst thing to do as it can easily ignite situations further and can be seen as obsessive behaviour etc, but it's just how I am, I don't like to argue with the people I love or care about. I always try to resolve things as quickly as possible. And i think this is obviously a trait in Freddie as well. I completely empethise with him on this one.

However, in recent years I have learnt to chill and let things lie and come back at a later time when everything has cooled down, it's just hard to. I just hope Freddie, in time, can learn the same as I can see now how annoying it can be at times. Although in my eyes he has done nothing wrong. Bea is just a cupid stunt!
langster
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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Mad Just watching it again....Freddy is struggling to speak and that nasty mare says why are you speaking like that.

I'm watching it on C4+1 because I watched the Autism doc on BBC3 at 9...just catching up with what the rest of you have seen...it's not pleasant watching.

And only last week I wanted her to stay because I thought she was good telly! Mad <<<<I'm mad at myself!
Leccy
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Originally posted by electric6:
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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Mad Just watching it again....Freddy is struggling to speak and that nasty mare says why are you speaking like that.

I'm watching it on C4+1 because I watched the Autism doc on BBC3 at 9...just catching up with what the rest of you have seen...it's not pleasant watching.

And only last week I wanted her too stay because I thought she was good telly! Mad <<<<I'm mad at myself!

FrownerLecs she's ruthless....A mercenary nasty mare...No heart there she's a swinging brick.
~Lee~
I can't stand Freddie, never have, I dislike him for several reasons: I find him insincere, manipulative, condescending, full of bullshit half the time and pompous. This has nothing to do with whether he has a disability and its a weak and easy argument to try to defend or justify his actions because of it and that of why someone might not hold him in high esteem.

Sure, he may have problems with his speech or may deal with situations differently to others, but he has made it through Oxford and it seems that he may have a promising career in politics. Its not held him back in any way so why should I judge him differently negatively or positively based on that. It's condescending.
F
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Originally posted by pepsi:
If people don't like him because they simply DON'T like him that's fine Smiler No-one with a disability (hidden or visible) would ask that you like them just because they are disabled Nod

I'm just pointing out that some aspects of his coping strategies although irritating are HIS way of coping, and Bea drove him to the point of a panic attack almost.
Well-said! Nod Clapping

But, whilst I think its wrong to patronise those with disabilities (whether visible or not) I also believe that any decent human being would make allowances for whatever the 'short-fall' might be, but it seems that because Knobber comes from a very well-to-do background, he's not afforded much empathy by some.

Its not his bloody fault which family he happened to be born into, any more than its our fault which families we all come from!
K
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Originally posted by Forest:
I can't stand Freddie, never have, I dislike him for several reasons: I find him insincere, manipulative, condescending, full of bullshit half the time and pompous. This has nothing to do with whether he has a disability and its a weak and easy argument to try to defend or justify his actions because of it and that of why someone might not hold him in high esteem.

Sure, he may have problems with his speech or may deal with situations differently to others, but he has made it through Oxford and it seems that he may have a promising career in politics. Its not held him back in any way so why should I judge him differently negatively or positively based on that. It's condescending.

As much as I like Freddie, always have always will, I do agree with you.

Everyone should be judged on who they are as a person and how they behave and not bcause of any disabilities.

But I still think he's a bloody fine bloke. Thumbs Up
Videostar
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This has nothing to do with whether he has a disability and its a weak and easy argument to try to defend or justify his actions because of it

No one is, as far as I'm aware, I thought we were discussing that his manner of speech may be related to cognitive issues as a result of his dyslexia.

Not "actions" or opinions or personality or any of that...
Leccy
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Originally posted by pepsi:
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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Mad Just watching it again....Freddy is struggling to speak and that nasty mare says why are you speaking like that.


Yeah Lee...that's what inspired me to post this. She , who is supposed to be sooo intelligent and psychologically aware, had to even ASK him that?.... Shake Head

HugI'm glad you did post this Peps....Perhaps a some of his idiosyncrasies will be understood. now.
~Lee~
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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
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Originally posted by The Guru:
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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Mad Just watching it again....Freddy is struggling to speak and that nasty mare says why are you speaking like that.


Yep, her 'Why. Are. You. Talking. Like. This' comment to him was vile.

Guru it's worse watching it the second time...Gut wrenching heart wrenching viewing. Frowner


Yep Nod She must know how severe his type of dyslexia is, he's quite open about it and they were very close. Which just makes the whole thing so nasty, the girl's heartless.
The Guru
Not on this thread maybe, but I have seen his disability used as justification for actions in previous threads. As far as I am concerned, disability doesn't mean that you are not accountable.

To be honest, I thought I would be destroyed with the opinion I have just expressed but have been impressed with the content of this thread from Freddites and non Freddites alike.

He's just not my cup of tea.
F
quote:
Originally posted by pepsi:
If people don't like him because they simply DON'T like him that's fine Smiler No-one with a disability (hidden or visible) would ask that you like them just because they are disabled Nod

I'm just pointing out that some aspects of his coping strategies although irritating are HIS way of coping, and Bea drove him to the point of a panic attack almost.


Thanks for the link Pepsi. I read it in full. I have some understanding of dyslexia as my own daughter is dyslexic and so is my nephew. It helps explain Freddie, but I still don't like him. Big Grin
B

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