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Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

We just got a right kick in on soccer saturday... all think we will miss out on top four and that its all Mancini's fault that some players are not finding their form. Too negative and don't create much.

 

Its hard to argue with it tbh.

There is still a bit of hard work to do with the team for you guys so you can be more close next season but i'm certain you have enough in the tank to finish 3rd or 4th.

 

Going OT hows your studies going Meaty?

 

 

darloboy (Play The Game!)
Originally Posted by darloboy (Play The Game!):
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

We just got a right kick in on soccer saturday... all think we will miss out on top four and that its all Mancini's fault that some players are not finding their form. Too negative and don't create much.

 

Its hard to argue with it tbh.

There is still a bit of hard work to do with the team for you guys so you can be more close next season but i'm certain you have enough in the tank to finish 3rd or 4th.

 

Going OT hows your studies going Meaty?

 

 

Going well at the moment, nearly finished for the easter break. Not long left now and will be continuing with HE next year.

MrMincePie
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:
Originally Posted by darloboy (Play The Game!):
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

We just got a right kick in on soccer saturday... all think we will miss out on top four and that its all Mancini's fault that some players are not finding their form. Too negative and don't create much.

 

Its hard to argue with it tbh.

There is still a bit of hard work to do with the team for you guys so you can be more close next season but i'm certain you have enough in the tank to finish 3rd or 4th.

 

Going OT hows your studies going Meaty?

 

 

Going well at the moment, nearly finished for the easter break. Not long left now and will be continuing with HE next year.

Good Luck!. Me too on both counts, just finished my UCAS application (deadline extended LOL and I had a bit of trouble thinking what to do once my course finishes) so hope all goes well with it..

darloboy (Play The Game!)
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:
Originally Posted by darloboy (Play The Game!):
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

Its official, 4 of us in block 135


For the semi final? have a good time whatever the result.

 

Hope England win later! don't think Carroll is 100% match fit yet, still he'll probably start..

Indeedy

I'm in block 122 next week.

Wish I'd took charge of getting the tickets though because I don't like the lower tier at Wembley. Prefer the block 501 onwards top tier.

Crunchy  Nuts
Originally Posted by Crunchy Nuts:

 at international level we cannot play 4-4-2. We look a much better side playing 4-3-3.

 

Our midfield looked really crowded today with that formation, midfielders tippy tappying the ball to each other from all of 2 yards. It gives the opposition tons of time to get back as well. Lampard, Barry and Milner are all far too slow to play in that formation. We were lucky it was only Wales. I think he'll switch back to 4-4-2 as soon as we play anyone half decent.

Prometheus
Originally Posted by Prometheus:
Originally Posted by Crunchy Nuts:

 at international level we cannot play 4-4-2. We look a much better side playing 4-3-3.

 

Our midfield looked really crowded today with that formation, midfielders tippy tappying the ball to each other from all of 2 yards. It gives the opposition tons of time to get back as well. Lampard, Barry and Milner are all far too slow to play in that formation. We were lucky it was only Wales. I think he'll switch back to 4-4-2 as soon as we play anyone half decent.

We'll get murdered if we do. If we'd played a similar formation to today against Germany in the WC, we wouldn't have got done 4-1 that's for sure.

Crunchy  Nuts
Originally Posted by Crunchy Nuts:
Originally Posted by Prometheus:
Originally Posted by Crunchy Nuts:

 at international level we cannot play 4-4-2. We look a much better side playing 4-3-3.

 

Our midfield looked really crowded today with that formation, midfielders tippy tappying the ball to each other from all of 2 yards. It gives the opposition tons of time to get back as well. Lampard, Barry and Milner are all far too slow to play in that formation. We were lucky it was only Wales. I think he'll switch back to 4-4-2 as soon as we play anyone half decent.

We'll get murdered if we do. If we'd played a similar formation to today against Germany in the WC, we wouldn't have got done 4-1 that's for sure.

 

We probably wouldn't have scored either. You can't walk the ball into the net against a team like Germany. 4-3-3 relies heavily on a fast, creative midfield i.e. the exact opposite to the one we have. We would have been okay against Germany if our defence had bloody stayed put instead of marauding all over the pitch like complete idiots.

Prometheus

I don't think it relies on lightning quick midfielders. Wilshere is reasonably rapid tho I'd say. As long as there is pace in the front 3 I think it can work.

 

I thought at the time of the WC that we should have played that system with Rooney the central striker, with quick attacking players either side of him and Gerrard the most advanced of the 3 midfielders, but instead Gerrard ended up stuck on the left of a shitty 442.

Crunchy  Nuts

Our formation and tactics (assuming we had any) were awful for the world cup. You know you're in trouble when you're losing and the manager brings on Sean Wright-Phillips (one of the worst players ever to wear an England shirt) to save the day.

 

You should watch how Arsenal use a 4-3-3. They're so fast oppo teams just don't know what hit them so they never get congested in midfield. Today we had Milner, Barry and Lampard looking like they had no clue what they were supposed to be doing and just kept passing to each other across the pitch. No urgency, no attacking threat at all. With 4-4-2 it matters less if your midfield is utterly crap.

 

I don't think we'll ever win anything under Capello he really hasn't got a clue. Wilshere looks a great hope for the future though.

Prometheus
Originally Posted by Prometheus:

Our formation and tactics (assuming we had any) were awful for the world cup. You know you're in trouble when you're losing and the manager brings on Sean Wright-Phillips (one of the worst players ever to wear an England shirt) to save the day.

 

You should watch how Arsenal use a 4-3-3. They're so fast oppo teams just don't know what hit them so they never get congested in midfield. Today we had Milner, Barry and Lampard looking like they had no clue what they were supposed to be doing and just kept passing to each other across the pitch. No urgency, no attacking threat at all. With 4-4-2 it matters less if your midfield is utterly crap.

 

I don't think we'll ever win anything under Capello he really hasn't got a clue. Wilshere looks a great hope for the future though.

They're not the only ones who don't have a clue prom, Barry wasnt playing

MrMincePie
Originally Posted by Prometheus:

Our formation and tactics (assuming we had any) were awful for the world cup. You know you're in trouble when you're losing and the manager brings on Sean Wright-Phillips (one of the worst players ever to wear an England shirt) to save the day.

 

You should watch how Arsenal use a 4-3-3. They're so fast oppo teams just don't know what hit them so they never get congested in midfield. Today we had Milner, Barry and Lampard looking like they had no clue what they were supposed to be doing and just kept passing to each other across the pitch. No urgency, no attacking threat at all. With 4-4-2 it matters less if your midfield is utterly crap.

 

I don't think we'll ever win anything under Capello he really hasn't got a clue. Wilshere looks a great hope for the future though.

Agree in parts, I think 4-4-2 against poor teams is okay as 2 in midfield can cope and you effectively have 4 attackers when going forward, but i totally disagree that it matters less if your midfielders are crap. The reason Manchester United don't play 4-4-2 against better opposition is because their midfielders are so crap that Fergie knows they'll get totally overran if there are only 2 of them in there.

Crunchy  Nuts
Originally Posted by Crunchy Nuts:
Originally Posted by Prometheus:

Our formation and tactics (assuming we had any) were awful for the world cup. You know you're in trouble when you're losing and the manager brings on Sean Wright-Phillips (one of the worst players ever to wear an England shirt) to save the day.

 

You should watch how Arsenal use a 4-3-3. They're so fast oppo teams just don't know what hit them so they never get congested in midfield. Today we had Milner, Barry and Lampard looking like they had no clue what they were supposed to be doing and just kept passing to each other across the pitch. No urgency, no attacking threat at all. With 4-4-2 it matters less if your midfield is utterly crap.

 

I don't think we'll ever win anything under Capello he really hasn't got a clue. Wilshere looks a great hope for the future though.

Agree in parts, I think 4-4-2 against poor teams is okay as 2 in midfield can cope and you effectively have 4 attackers when going forward, but i totally disagree that it matters less if your midfielders are crap. The reason Manchester United don't play 4-4-2 against better opposition is because their midfielders are so crap that Fergie knows they'll get totally overran if there are only 2 of them in there.

 

I still think England's problems against better teams lie more with the players than the formations. Lampard, Gerrard, Milner, Barry, none of them are world class players the problem is who do you replace them with? Parker might be in with a shout at least he plays like he gives a fekk. Wilshere should stay in the team too and Josh McEachran when he's ready (fantastic player and he'll link up well with Wilshere). 

 

The 'old' England team is well past its sell by date.

Prometheus

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