Wotcha Joe. United aren't out of it yet, good luck with Arsenal, RVP gets injured they'll be in the Championship 
Well I think I would take Mancini over AVB The league table speaks for itself... a bottler? It's possibly the first major error he's made this season.
Time will tell with AVB. I don't know how good or bad he is we'll have to wait and see but I'm not at all happy that he's been gobbing off at the press. No class. Mancini's fine when you're winning, when things don't go his way he bottles it. He did it loads of times last year, hasn't been tested yet this year. He's Italian ffs... they're a nation of bottlers. He looked distraught in the interview on Sky.
Hasn't been tested? So I guess the win at old trafford and white hart lane was nothing? We've had off days like every other side and he's done wonders for us, if he's no good... who do you suggest?
What I meant was he hasn't been up against it. There's no pressure when you keep winning and the team's on fire. Taking off Silva and Aguero was a 'Mancini' thing to do. I'm not saying he's a bad manager I just don't think he copes well when his back's against the wall.
however it would be great to watch 'em next season since I'm not convinced we will be promoted!Well I think I would take Mancini over AVB The league table speaks for itself... a bottler? It's possibly the first major error he's made this season.
the league table at the moment...if your players are half as complacent as you seem to be they're heading for a mighty fall.
AVB is still in the Champions league...Mancini isn't..
AVB didn't have to play Bayern Munich or Napoli... first loss of the season in the league and you make it sound like it's over?
No....i said in an earlier post,one game doesn't make a season,they pick themselves up and get on with it...how is that making it sound like it's over? but the league isn't won in december either,you can sit pretty there til march..means jack shit if you're not there at the end of the season though
Doesn't matter who you had in the group,city were still expected to go through given the money you've spent,as were we,as were utd..you have to beat those teams somewhere along the line
Well I think I would take Mancini over AVB The league table speaks for itself... a bottler? It's possibly the first major error he's made this season.
the league table at the moment...if your players are half as complacent as you seem to be they're heading for a mighty fall.
AVB is still in the Champions league...Mancini isn't..
AVB didn't have to play Bayern Munich or Napoli... first loss of the season in the league and you make it sound like it's over?
No....i said in an earlier post,one game doesn't make a season,they pick themselves up and get on with it...how is that making it sound like it's over? but the league isn't won in december either,you can sit pretty there til march..means jack shit if you're not there at the end of the season though
Doesn't matter who you had in the group,city were still expected to go through given the money you've spent,as were we,as were utd..you have to beat those teams somewhere along the line
You do realise it's the first time we have ever been in the comp?
Doesn't matter who you had in the group,city were still expected to go through given the money you've spent,as were we,as were utd..you have to beat those teams somewhere along the line
Hiya spongey. Got to admit I was a bit irked that AVB gave it the big one after we finished top of the group seeing how we could have gone out if we lost to Valencia and we didn't even finish top on our own merit we had to rely on Genk to make that happen. He's getting on my nerves a bit tbh, I wish he'd just churn out a few cliches and interview over.
yes of course i do....but that's irrelevant....the quality of players that you have you should've gone through..they're experienced players,international players.they should be able to hack it
it's your first time at the top of the league too...will they not be able to handle that pressure either?
Doesn't matter who you had in the group,city were still expected to go through given the money you've spent,as were we,as were utd..you have to beat those teams somewhere along the line
Hiya spongey. Got to admit I was a bit irked that AVB gave it the big one after we finished top of the group seeing how we could have gone out if we lost to Valencia and we didn't even finish top on our own merit we had to rely on Genk to make that happen. He's getting on my nerves a bit tbh, I wish he'd just churn out a few cliches and interview over.
hey prom
yep he's been getting a bit arsey....though the press have been on his back alot..but he seems happy to fire the bullets back doesn't he?
it could've ended in disaster but luckily didn't.we're certainly going to have to play much better in the knockout stage.....can't afford any genk away type performances
yes of course i do....but that's irrelevant....the quality of players that you have you should've gone through..they're experienced players,international players.they should be able to hack it
it's your first time at the top of the league too...will they not be able to handle that pressure either?
We went out on 10 points... which is unusual for the champions league. As for your comment on being top of the league, no... as this isn't the first time we challenged for the title. Making it past the CL group stages mean fook all if you just get knocked out the next round by Barcelona.
Too right, I just hope we have the good sense to bribe the refs before Barca do this time.
yes of course i do....but that's irrelevant....the quality of players that you have you should've gone through..they're experienced players,international players.they should be able to hack it
it's your first time at the top of the league too...will they not be able to handle that pressure either?
We went out on 10 points... which is unusual for the champions league. As for your comment on being top of the league, no... as this isn't the first time we challenged for the title. Making it past the CL group stages mean fook all if you just get knocked out the next round by Barcelona.
i should've worded it better then..you are expected to be challenging...seriously challenging,with your backing and calibre of player you have....you last won the league in 67-68.and came second in 76-77.it's different now......trophies are expected to be won..whereas before it was a challenge on an even keel.now the pressure is huge
i doubt the board share your judgement that it means nothing..qualification means extra money...which no club however rich would turn down....progression means more quality players attracted to join you,players staying etc
you yourself said to veggie that nasri joined city as he had a better chance at winning trophies than at arsenal.......i'm sure he considered one of those trophies to be the european cup as well as the league etc.........so getting knocked out does mean something,same as not qualifying for it in the first place means something.....otherwise you could just say 'oh we're in a group with Barca and Bayern Munich..meant jack to finish top four incase we get knocked out'
Too right, I just hope we have the good sense to bribe the refs before Barca do this time.
yes of course i do....but that's irrelevant....the quality of players that you have you should've gone through..they're experienced players,international players.they should be able to hack it
it's your first time at the top of the league too...will they not be able to handle that pressure either?
We went out on 10 points... which is unusual for the champions league. As for your comment on being top of the league, no... as this isn't the first time we challenged for the title. Making it past the CL group stages mean fook all if you just get knocked out the next round by Barcelona.
i should've worded it better then..you are expected to be challenging...seriously challenging,with your backing and calibre of player you have....you last won the league in 67-68.and came second in 76-77.it's different now......trophies are expected to be won..whereas before it was a challenge on an even keel.now the pressure is huge
i doubt the board share your judgement that it means nothing..qualification means extra money...which no club however rich would turn down....progression means more quality players attracted to join you,players staying etc
you yourself said to veggie that nasri joined city as he had a better chance at winning trophies than at arsenal.......i'm sure he considered one of those trophies to be the european cup as well as the league etc.........so getting knocked out does mean something,same as not qualifying for it in the first place means something.....otherwise you could just say 'oh we're in a group with Barca and Bayern Munich..meant jack to finish top four incase we get knocked out'
Well I don't think we will be showing Mancini the door for not qualifying, I can't think of any other manager out there I would want right now. We will come back next year stronger.
no i don't think you will either,but he will be expected to deliver the goods asap...and if he doesn't then he'll be out.that's the way it goes
no i don't think you will either,but he will be expected to deliver the goods asap...and if he doesn't then he'll be out.that's the way it goes
The only way Mancini will be booted is if he doesn't even make the top four... the fans would say the same and Sheikh Mansour has previously said in an interview that patience is required.
well i guess we'll have to wait and see..
that patience by the owner could run thin if he doesn't deliver.....the sheikh will want a return on his money sooner rather than later..an fa cup or a carling cup isn't going to cut it..he wants the league,the european cup...same as any chairman pumping vast amounts of money into a club.
I think the club will be well aware what could happen if they carried out sacking Mancini... we go back to square one again where we have to wait and be patient for another two years whilst the manager builds up his own side again, which is exactly Chelsea have been doing for the last three years.
well i guess we'll have to wait and see..
that patience by the owner could run thin if he doesn't deliver.....the sheikh will want a return on his money sooner rather than later..an fa cup or a carling cup isn't going to cut it..he wants the league,the european cup...same as any chairman pumping vast amounts of money into a club.
I think you're judging City by our own appalling standards in this area. There really aren't many cash rich clubs that ditch their manager every season if they don't win what the owner wants them to win. Carlo won the double and got sacked the very next year. Roman is like a rich kid with an expensive toy. City seem to have given Mancini time to get it right and it's paid off in as much as they really are considered to be a top four club now.
I can absolutely guarantee AVB will be out the door if we don't look like finishing top four and I mean before the end of this season. It's how we are and it will never change. Stability and continuity is just something that happens to other clubs.
well the likes of drogba,cole,cech,terry,lampard,essien,malouda,kalou,mikel have all been there 5 years or longer..so the basis is still the same.all still play(except essien whose injured)...so since jose went there hasn't been that much of an overhaul in playing staff.
chelsea imo made a massive mistake getting rid of jose...but that wasn't down to him not winning anything,he was our most successful manager,i don't think supporters will ever know the real reason he got the chop..so much was banded about,him not winning the c/l.player power.didn't like interference..who knows?..mancini could go.you get someone else in and you're winning the lot inside a season..mourinho came in and won stuff instantly...same could happen at city if he were to get the boot.
well the likes of drogba,cole,cech,terry,lampard,essien,malouda,kalou,mikel have all been there 5 years or longer..so the basis is still the same.all still play(except essien whose injured)...so since jose went there hasn't been that much of an overhaul in playing staff.
chelsea imo made a massive mistake getting rid of jose...but that wasn't down to him not winning anything,he was our most successful manager,i don't think supporters will ever know the real reason he got the chop..so much was banded about,him not winning the c/l.player power.didn't like interference..who knows?..mancini could go.you get someone else in and you're winning the lot inside a season..mourinho came in and won stuff instantly...same could happen at city if he were to get the boot.
That's the problem spongey the whole grass is greener on the other side attitude is killing football. Mancini goes and even Mincey is asking well who replaces him? There is no instant win scenario. Fergie and Wenger have got it right all these years and nobody learns anything from it. Sacking Jose was an absolute disaster for us but, as you said, keeping the same players year in year out did us no favours either.
Player power got Carlo sacked and player power will get AVB sacked if he doesn't win anything. Lampard, Terry and Drogba despite being great servants are our absolute worst enemies. When things don't go well they blame everyone but themselves and go over the manager's head and oops he's history.
Lampard bleating on again about how he needs to play every game when he was dropped yeah like no other player needs to play every game except him and Drogba sulking on the pitch after being dropped ffs... they all need to be shipped out and Roman needs to wake up and stop sacking every manager at the whim of the overpaid over-rated underperforming players.
lol, sorry about the rant xx but I know you know what I mean.
well i guess we'll have to wait and see..
that patience by the owner could run thin if he doesn't deliver.....the sheikh will want a return on his money sooner rather than later..an fa cup or a carling cup isn't going to cut it..he wants the league,the european cup...same as any chairman pumping vast amounts of money into a club.
I think you're judging City by our own appalling standards in this area. There really aren't many cash rich clubs that ditch their manager every season if they don't win what the owner wants them to win. Carlo won the double and got sacked the very next year. Roman is like a rich kid with an expensive toy. City seem to have given Mancini time to get it right and it's paid off in as much as they really are considered to be a top four club now.
I can absolutely guarantee AVB will be out the door if we don't look like finishing top four and I mean before the end of this season. It's how we are and it will never change. Stability and continuity is just something that happens to other clubs.
mancini has been there 2 years this month.so far he's won the fa cup which was great for city as they hadn't won anything in years.
yes they've given him time and i applaud that,a better idea than the one we've employed lately.no one can deny that.
but being considered a 'top four club' isn't going to be enough soon...not for the players,the fans,the owner,even mancini himself.if he doesn't win the league this year the pressure will be massive for next season
but has wenger got it right prom?.arsenal haven't won anything in years....i'm not saying city SHOULD boot mancini.i'm saying with all the money comes extra pressure for him to deliver the goods.....and the way football is atm that's all that matters to the money men.it's a business to them.they invest and want a return.
but has wenger got it right prom?.arsenal haven't won anything in years....i'm not saying city SHOULD boot mancini.i'm saying with all the money comes extra pressure for him to deliver the goods.....and the way football is atm that's all that matters to the money men.it's a business to them.they invest and want a return.
They don't care about money and returns they are already rich beyond belief. They want success but have no idea how to get it they think they can just buy it. Wenger produces good football and CL football every single year for a club that really don't deserve it because not only do they not want to spend they shipped out two of their best players before the season started. He's a brilliant manager stuck in a rut. Fergie has spending power but also can restart a team from scratch having offloaded his 'stars' who outstayed their welcome.
Neither of these two would stand a chance in hell in today's climate despite having proved their credentials over and over and over. Football has become a complete joke imo. We'll sack AVB and bring in the next Messiah who will also be completely done over by player power and bugger off after a season. It's kind of funny to watch I suppose.
yes they do want success as you say.... and that is their return for their investment....and with that success brings more money...success is winning the champions league,the league title,they may well be as mincey said satisfied now.that won't last forever.it can't...if they thought like that they wouldn't be as super rich as they are now in the first place.
football is big money.the tv rights,the selling of the 'product' around the world....why else do teams trot off on pre season/end of season tours to the far east etc?.to bring in money.to 'sell' the team to more supporters bringing in more revenue etc.....more revenue means they can pay higher transfer fees..over inflated wages.(and i'm not just talking about city here)
i simply can't see that say by the end of next season if city haven't won the league or the c/l the owners are going to say 'well it's ok,we finished third,we're a top four club and that's what counts'....not with the money they've spent,not with the players they've got..yes they have bought for success.....every team does.whether their success is cementing a place in the p/l,getting a top 4 spot,challenging for the big cups/the league
but with city's wealth it's clear what their idea of success is...and that's to be top dog
Well if you don't you can always send him our way.... our B team for the carling cup looks quite promising
Easy money!
I doubt Wayne Bridge exactly breaks his back for that 90k a week that they pay him...
Well if you don't you can always send him our way.... our B team for the carling cup looks quite promising
Easy money!
I doubt Wayne Bridge exactly breaks his back for that 90k a week that they pay him...
90k? That's Pocket money to the Sheikh
If I can just butt in on the Arsenal and Wenger bashing.................
I'm going to watch our babies play in the FA Youth Cup tonight at Barnet against Derby County. Should be a good night; those games are always exciting and interesting to watch.
We got knocked out by the Chelsea babies last season at the Bridge which I went to. Hope our babies get further this year as, if they get to the semis, they get to play at the Emirates
Well that was rubbish. We had loads of chances in the first half but their young keeper was brilliant. Then in the 2nd half they got stronger and stronger and eventually we lost to an extra time goal.
Well done Derby, they deserved to win. Nigel Clough was in the stands with us and quite a few other old players were there - all very approachable and willing to sign and pose for photos
Well I think I would take Mancini over AVB The league table speaks for itself... a bottler? It's possibly the first major error he's made this season.
the league table at the moment...if your players are half as complacent as you seem to be they're heading for a mighty fall.
AVB is still in the Champions league...Mancini isn't..
AVB didn't have to play Bayern Munich or Napoli... first loss of the season in the league and you make it sound like it's over?
No....i said in an earlier post,one game doesn't make a season,they pick themselves up and get on with it...how is that making it sound like it's over? but the league isn't won in december either,you can sit pretty there til march..means jack shit if you're not there at the end of the season though
Doesn't matter who you had in the group,city were still expected to go through given the money you've spent,as were we,as were utd..you have to beat those teams somewhere along the line
You do realise it's the first time we have ever been in the comp?
Spurs got to a 1/4 final last year with a far less superior team than City currently have.
Well done Jer - what a result.
hard luck Disley - miserable birthday weekend for you. Expect I'll be in the doldrums after we play tomorrow. I'd settle for a point now
I'd say we were awful but that would be harsh on teams who really are awful. I have absolutely no idea what Cech thought he was doing for their goal, faffing about like a complete moron, he was off his line a few times earlier in the game too. I wish he'd just f*** off and take his stupid bloody hat with him.
/rant off.
Well that's peed me off for the week. Spurs are now 5 points ahead of us with a game in hand, just to add to the misery.
And Brentford managed to concede very late on yesterday to throw away 3 pts too.
I'm beginning to hate football
I'd say we were awful but that would be harsh on teams who really are awful. I have absolutely no idea what Cech thought he was doing for their goal, faffing about like a complete moron, he was off his line a few times earlier in the game too. I wish he'd just f*** off and take his stupid bloody hat with him.
/rant off.
Very disappointing that they failed to hold out for all 3 points - especially with the way results have gone today.
Hopefully 3 points on Thursday night versus Spurs!
It's very easy this season Jer
Well that's peed me off for the week. Spurs are now 5 points ahead of us with a game in hand, just to add to the misery.
And Brentford managed to concede very late on yesterday to throw away 3 pts too.
I'm beginning to hate football
Have to say i thought it was an enjoyable game this evening - particularly the second half with plenty of end-to-end action.
However, you badly need someone other than van Persie to step up and deliver goals on a regular basis.
