Bit bored How about everyone posts their World 11?

Well done to the lads, was out at the theatre so had to catch the highlights. Glad Argentina made it, there might be concerns about them under Maradona but when it comes round to the competition then qualifying etc is forgotten but he's got lots to prove for sure, he's got his likers and dislikers obviously.

3-5-2 because there are no world class full backs in the game right now.

GK Casillas

CB Terry
CB Puyol
CB Cannavaro

RM Ribery
CM Xavi
CM Iniesta
CM Kaka
LM Messi

ST Eto'o
ST Ronaldo (as much as I hate to say it)

Subs

Buffon
Chivu
Juan
Sneijder
Van Der Vaart
Torres
Rooney

Daniel Alves?, Evra?

ITV kissing beckhams behind again. I think i saw more of Beckhams ugly face than i did the match, i was screaming at the tv to actually show the match and not beckham. And he got MOTM? How the Feck does he get MOTM when at least Crouch, Barry and Lennon were far better. And now all the talk is about Beckham going to South Africa, when he didnt do anything in the other three previous world cups he went to. And then people wonder why we dont win the world cup!

Hi LAFBeckham can create the pieces of magic, pick out the pass and can do free kicks and corners but he won't be running down the wings, ok maybe he changed the game and stopped it from being boring but MOTM?, what a joke should have been someone who played most of the match like Crouch, Becks would have got chosen because of his status still a good player but that beard and sideburns were horrid. Good debate about it yesterday on Talksport with Stan Collymore.

Hey Darlo Beckham is probably the most over-rated player to put on an england shirt. He has been rubbish in every one of the world cups he has played in, but people forget this because of his 'good looks'. Plus, did you see Crouchs performance yesterday? It was outstanding and he could be the key man in the world cup because he could be a plan B, but now Beckham has stolen the headlines away from Crouch because he made a few alright passes. I dont get the fascination about him.


Listening to Talksport yesterday was hilarious. They were saying that given Beckhams performance against Belarus, that he should definitely be going to the world cup, but Crouch shouldnt be. Im guessing because he doesnt look as good as beckham does. Exactly why we wont win the world cup.

Beckham's overhype and ego just grow more, don't get me wrong he's a nice bloke but he's not that much of a special player more the likes of Lennon and Wright Phillips deserve a chance more but what I admit is that Becks is a talented player but for me couldn't give a damn about what he does nowadays.

My Final 23
Green
James
Hart
Johnson
Terry
Upson
Lescott
Cahill
Cole
Bridge
Lennon
SWP
Beckham
Gerrard
Barry
Lampard
Milner
Young
Bent
Rooney
Defoe
Crouch
Agbonlahor

That's spurious bollocks clouded by your obvious dislike for him. I was in germany (again  For the second world cup there) and it seemed to me that everything happened through him. Moin footie fans btw  xx

Morning Joe
Morning everyone

I think Beckham should go, he's still quality and he lifts the team and the fans. I still think he's the best we've got at doing what he does.
As for Crouch, I don't like him. I don't like the way that a team plays when he is on the pitch ( not his fault I know if they keep lumping the ball to him) although I admit that he certainly regularly scores for club and country whenever he gets the chance.
Stats wise he should probably be first choice tbh but it's a bit rich to hear Clive Allen of Spurs bitching on 5live the other night about how he's not being given a chance when he's not first choice at Spurs either.I think that there is just something about him that lends itself to negative reactions - not fair but there it is


Meaty - as for your squad, could you have put any more Man City players in it??

No Walcott Meaty. They took him last time, yet he was no where near ready, took him at the expense of a centre forward.

I'd take Beckham, sometimes it's good to have a bit of experience in the squad, and he's easily the most experienced of the current set of English players.

I'd have Rooney, Defoe, Crouch and Agbonlahor as the strikers, and whilst I'd love to see Gary Cahill there, I think it's a tournament too soon for him, maybe in the Euro's he'll get his chance.

Rooney out of Man U  Bolton game.

As well as the importance of players (A. Cole, Terry, Ferdinand if fit, Glen Johnson, Gerrard, Rooney etc) It's important that we don't have some imported player standing on one of our star player's (see above)  feet. This has happened  to both Rooney and Beckham in previous years. Maybe our players should start dishing it out too?? Torres, Tevez etc?
Secondly we must boycott the foreign owned press when they start to undermine our team and manager. Some of the things they said about Bobby Robson were deeply offensive, and most of the stuff they said when they tried to hound Sven out of the job was irrelevant.

Just seen that, he should be back for the Liverpool game next weekend though.



As for the World Cup yeah maybe Beckham should go as a sub only.



France, Portugal, Russia and Greece seeded for the WC play offs, unseeded pot with ROI, Ukraine, Bosnia and Slovenia.

Becks should go next year, if only as a squad player, he can come on the pitch and provide that moment of magic that can win games for England.

Capello seems to know what he is doing regarding Becks, he plays him when he feels he is needed. but we do need to start looking at the players who can replace Becks, whcih I feel Capello is doing.

Crouch was my MOM on Wednesday, I used to think he was an awkward player until my husband pointed out it was his height that made him seem awkward, there is no way that Crouch should not go to South Africa next summer, if fit, but play him alongside a smaller striker such as Defoe, who has pace as well.

My only criticism of Crouch is that I don't think he handles high balls well, I would expect him to go for and get any high cross within reason that is played into the box, with his height, but I think he is an underrated, skillful player and is becoming better with age.

As to the TalkSport debate about Becks going to the World Cup, I remember in 2006, when they kept on and on that Lampard should not go and could not play alongside Gerrard and I used to nearly kick the radio off the table, amazing how Capello can get the best from both players.

Afternoon all, back to the Championship tomorrow, Reading at the Shrine

WBA need to get back to form PB, but Reading have been disappointing with some of their games so they will be up for it as expected.

How true, but it doesn't help when you get the members of the public phoning up TalkSport and 5LIve saying the exact same thing.

Ah! That explains it. I didn't realise that the baffled Talksport presenters (Alan Brazil) were debating this   It's obvious that there is a place for Beckham to come on as a sub and shake things up.

Hi  I think the international break may have come at just the right time for us, we will pick ourselves up, but as you say, Reading will be up for the match and there have been some good matches between the two teams in the last few seasons, when one or the other clubs have been in the Championship.

I'm cautiously going  for a 1 - 0 to us.

http://www.skysports.com/story/ - PL review for tomorrow



I hope for an Albion win also, this break would have helped the players bit of a rest but back to business.

They spent about 3 months before the World Cup "debating" it and then even after the World Cup had started, same old thing, I found the totally annoying Adrian Durham to be the worst one about it, saying IMO some really offensive things as I remember about Lampard's ability.

WBA and Middlesbrough (Mad Dog is fit!!11!!) should have an easy time of it.... :nails:    I'm more intrigued that the bookies only rate the Barcodes as a 6/4 chance at Nottingham.

West Brom preview for tomorrow, injury worries have lessened - good.

For Joe

Newcastle preview

Thats good news PB, http://www.skysports.com/story - Newcastle vs Forest ooh that will be good


A question about Jara i'm sure in his first Baggies match in the 0-0 draw against Preston he played in midfield, he's a centre half but maybe he can play as a defensive midfielder or on the wing.

I thank you.

He can I believe play in defensive midfield as well Darlo, to me he looks a good buy.
Thankfully the Sol Campbell rumours have died down.

I was impressed, watched most of that game.


Ha Ha you don't need Sol Campbell, what a relief though. I see no Premier League team has made an offer yet.



I hope Patrick Viera will end up back at Arsenal in the summer, he says he will stick out his current contract with Inter then leave.

http://www.skysports.com/story


Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres both out for Liverpool's game against Sunderland.

 That's pathetic, if they were going to seed them, it should have been done based on the number of points they picked up in qualification, not ranking.

Although it was only decided that they would seed them when the likes of France and Portugal failed to qualify automatically, they were originally supposed to be unseeded... FIFA have to ensure the 'right' teams get through though.

Pinky, Darlo and everyone

Don't write Sol out completely yet - he trained at London Colney with Arsenal yesterday and the boss has said that he is welcome to train with us and improve his fitness, he apparently has a good presence in the dressing room.

But we won't be signing him because we don't need him

Might be a bit of a cauldron at the Emirates tomorrow, I know a lot of Gooners are still seething over the Eduardo injury and McLeish's subsequent defence of that tackle on him that nearly sheared his leg off at the ankle - I'm hoping for a dogs abuse for Mcleish - he deserves it

Btw Disley I agree completely with you re the seedings. What a joke FIFA are

Going to be a lot of abuse between the Brum and Ze Gunners then, I bet Martin Taylor must be dreading this game.

Poor old Palacios - suppose that there's not a lot you can do if a lunatics in charge of your country
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/...roblem-palacios.html


As for Martin Taylor, Darlo, we'll see if he plays. I was really hoping Eduardo would be fit for this game but he is still out.

Nice...

We have 11 injuries

M Petrov Knee Injury 18th Oct 09 doubtful
C Bellamy Groin Strain 18th Oct 09 doubtful
W Bridge Groin Strain 18th Oct 09 very doubtful
K Toure Ankle/Foot Injury 18th Oct 09 doubtful
P Zabaleta Hamstring Injury 25th Oct 09
J Lescott Calf Muscle Strain 18th Oct 09 slight doubt
N De Jong Ankle/Foot Injury 18th Oct 09 doubtful
N Onuoha Thigh Muscle Strain 1st Nov 09
Robinho Ankle/Foot Injury 1st Nov 09
B Mwaruwari Hip/Thigh Injury no return date
V Kompany Ankle/Foot Injury 1st Nov 09

Party Palacios.


Taylor if he plays or just for turning up will obviously get boos and he's mature enough to deal with them. Eduardo forgave him anyway as they both went in for the tackle, no point in holding grudges over things like that though.