Cheers CV. .Pesky put me right on that onequote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:
gran ma , grammar
tho I still didn't get it straight away.. had to read it a few times
I am never going to get my colon lesson so am offski to
tho I still didn't get it straight away.. had to read it a few times
I am never going to get my colon lesson so am offski to
Oh lets have the Star Trek debatequote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:
I know when to insert colons
See that's what I like about you Capt, (flutters eyelashes,) thought my double entende was going to go unnoticed
I saw it but didn't want to lower the tone! *sniff*
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Oh right. I think that sort of thing is called a Freudian Typo, technically.
Or, down on the street, a right ****ing cock-up.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
Ok
The answer is for British English.........
You are all right
It is in fact optional. Team seems to be a special case where each use is valid.
In other cases where the noun is acting as one unit it is singular, but if the unit consists of lots of people acting individually then it is plural
e.g.
- The committee has announced its decision. (The committee is regarded as an impersonal unit.)
- The committee are divided on this issue. (The committee is regarded as a group of individuals.)
- The average Indian family has 4.2 members. It is small and richer than 20 years ago.
- My family have decided to move to Mumbai.
So for instance in the last example all members of the family are deemed to have acted individually even though the collective noun is singular.
You have just copied that from the link, posted in a previous thread.
quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
I swear that all reads as gobble-de-gook to me... but thanks for trying
**picks up maths books instead.. they make much more sense to me
if you want it right, change your ; for a , or a : for dramatic effect 
I love spelling tests 
.
.awwwww you're too kind. . but in truth I am more a maths person than a words person.quote:Originally posted by greenandpink:
M O not a dimwit so there!!!..
right where was I? ah yes, off to do stuff...
Thats what I am here forquote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:
I know when to insert colons
See that's what I like about you Capt, (flutters eyelashes,) thought my double entende was going to go unnoticed
I saw it but didn't want to lower the tone! *sniff*
Heartache
I know, but I thought if I offered my own answer it would get challenged, and then there would be a fight, colons everywhere, hurt egos, damaged punctuation and infinitives well and truly split. So I thought I would quote!
I know, but I thought if I offered my own answer it would get challenged, and then there would be a fight, colons everywhere, hurt egos, damaged punctuation and infinitives well and truly split. So I thought I would quote!
**dashes back**quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
I swear that all reads as gobble-de-gook to me... but thanks for trying
**picks up maths books instead.. they make much more sense to me
Will do, and thanks again
quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
I am never going to get my colon lesson so am offski tocook a spag bolsulk now
Oi, I did it twice for you
look back.....makes note of Olly's id for when I need help with mathematicsquote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:awwwww you're too kind. . but in truth I am more a maths person than a words person.quote:Originally posted by greenandpink:
M O not a dimwit so there!!!..
right where was I? ah yes, off to do stuff...
Prove the surface area of a cone
quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:Oh lets have the Star Trek debatequote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
I'll go boldly if anyone fancies splitting my infinitive
quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
It is technically possible to split an infinitive in English but it is not in Latin. When the rules clarifying what was emerging as a 'standard' English language were being set (took many hundreds of years from the middle ages right up to the 18th century), the leading authorities on language took Latin as their model and therefore deemed it unacceptable to split an infinitive.
However it has been widely accepted since early in the twentieth century that there is no reason why this should not be perfectly acceptable practice in contemporary English.
There are still some fusty types who prefer to hang on to ancient rules however even when they make no sense.
Right that's it, I'm leaving the thread - I'm on holiday, no more grammar for me!
quote:Originally posted by RENTON:
FLOSSIE
Remember wen you called a House Mate a WANKER
Is that a noun or a verb??
Neither, it's an adjective.
quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:I am rubbish at words. I know this is meant to be funny but I can't work out whyquote:Originally posted by greenandpink:Took a while, but..quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
BOTH of mine are dead, one died before I was born, and the other one in 1987, dont know if they were ever lonely though,
I am the forum dimwit
hehe,grammar, grandma? only makes sense if, like Stokies, grandma, used to/still does, get pronounced, " grommar " I know, LAME, but couldnt resist, I'll get me coat.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:
I know when to insert colons
See that's what I like about you Capt, (flutters eyelashes,) thought my double entendre was going to go unnoticed
I saw it but didn't want to lower the tone! *sniff*
Does that mean I have to like you too?
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
I am never going to get my colon lesson so am offski tocook a spag bolsulk now
Oi, I did it twice for you
That colon should be a semi colon! But you have to make the part before the semi into a full sentence.
e.g. Permanently grumpy and without any rays of sunshine; Zaph or the mods may think otherwise.
I shall need infinity and a housemate of my choice.quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:awwwww you're too kind. . but in truth I am more a maths person than a words person.quote:Originally posted by greenandpink:
M O not a dimwit so there!!!..
right where was I? ah yes, off to do stuff...
Prove the surface area of a cone
quote:Originally posted by skive:quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
It is technically possible to split an infinitive in English but it is not in Latin. When the rules clarifying what was emerging as a 'standard' English language were being set (took many hundreds of years from the middle ages right up to the 18th century), the leading authorities on language took Latin as their model and therefore deemed it unacceptable to split an infinitive.
However it has been widely accepted since early in the twentieth century that there is no reason why this should not be perfectly acceptable practice in contemporary English.
There are still some fusty types who prefer to hang on to ancient rules however even when they make no sense.
Right that's it, I'm leaving the thread - I'm on holiday, no more grammar for me!
I agree with all of that.
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:
I know when to insert colons
See that's what I like about you Capt, (flutters eyelashes,) thought my double entendre was going to go unnoticed
I saw it but didn't want to lower the tone! *sniff*
Does that mean I have to like you too?
Well .......... there are benefits
Engagequote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:Oh lets have the Star Trek debatequote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
I'll go boldly if anyone fancies splitting my infinitive
quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:I shall need infinity and a housemate of my choice.quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:awwwww you're too kind. . but in truth I am more a maths person than a words person.quote:Originally posted by greenandpink:
M O not a dimwit so there!!!..
right where was I? ah yes, off to do stuff...
Prove the surface area of a cone
Just one infinity?
lol I have seen threads go over pages and pages arguing it and Skive nailed it totally.quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by skive:quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
It is technically possible to split an infinitive in English but it is not in Latin. When the rules clarifying what was emerging as a 'standard' English language were being set (took many hundreds of years from the middle ages right up to the 18th century), the leading authorities on language took Latin as their model and therefore deemed it unacceptable to split an infinitive.
However it has been widely accepted since early in the twentieth century that there is no reason why this should not be perfectly acceptable practice in contemporary English.
There are still some fusty types who prefer to hang on to ancient rules however even when they make no sense.
Right that's it, I'm leaving the thread - I'm on holiday, no more grammar for me!
I agree with all of that.
I am not greedyquote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:I shall need infinity and a housemate of my choice.quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:awwwww you're too kind. . but in truth I am more a maths person than a words person.quote:Originally posted by greenandpink:
M O not a dimwit so there!!!..
right where was I? ah yes, off to do stuff...
Prove the surface area of a cone
Just one infinity?
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:Oh lets have the Star Trek debatequote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
I'll go boldly if anyone fancies splitting my infinitive
and beyond?
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
Ok
The answer is for British English.........
You are all right
It is in fact optional. Team seems to be a special case where each use is valid.
In other cases where the noun is acting as one unit it is singular, but if the unit consists of lots of people acting individually then it is plural
e.g.
- The committee has announced its decision. (The committee is regarded as an impersonal unit.)
- The committee are divided on this issue. (The committee is regarded as a group of individuals.)
- The average Indian family has 4.2 members. It is small and richer than 20 years ago.
- My family have decided to move to Mumbai.
So for instance in the last example all members of the family are deemed to have acted individually even though the collective noun is singular.
So, basically, one uses 'are' if one could comfortably insert members?
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
That colon should be a semi colon! But you have to make the part before the semi into a full sentence.
e.g. Permanently grumpy and without any rays of sunshine; Zaph or the mods may think otherwise.
it was a semi colon but I just changed it..
that new version is too long for one line and doesn't sound like me, it's too correct, if there can be a too correct..
thanks anyway, I shall stick with what I have..
quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:Oh lets have the Star Trek debatequote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
I'll go boldly if anyone fancies splitting my infinitive
Engage
Toddles off to find the ring
quote:Originally posted by Lady-Jester:quote:Originally posted by RENTON:
FLOSSIE
Remember wen you called a House Mate a WANKER
Is that a noun or a verb??
Neither, it's an adjective.
Wouldn't that be a wanking wanker?
quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
that new version is too long for one line and doesn't sound like me, it's too correct, if there can be a too correct..
thanks anyway, I shall stick with what I have..
She goes straight for my ring!quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by CaptVimes:Oh lets have the Star Trek debatequote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
Is it always wrong to split an infinitive?
I'll go boldly if anyone fancies splitting my infinitive
Engage
Toddles off to find the ring
Probably be hung for this but:-
I think either in the case of a singular that describes a plural body of things or people.
For instance, a team could be described as a 'they' rather than an 'it'
Norwich [the football club] did well, they beat Colchester 6-0
Norwich did well, it beat Colchester 6-0
Norwich will feel it can win this/The team will feel it can win this.
The team will feel they can win this/The team will feel it can win this.
The second doesn't sound quite right, the inference of Norwich [team] is a group of people rather than a singular object.
How about "The government [it] is awful"
Or "The government [they] are awful"
I think either in the case of a singular that describes a plural body of things or people.
For instance, a team could be described as a 'they' rather than an 'it'
Norwich [the football club] did well, they beat Colchester 6-0
Norwich did well, it beat Colchester 6-0
Norwich will feel it can win this/The team will feel it can win this.
The team will feel they can win this/The team will feel it can win this.
The second doesn't sound quite right, the inference of Norwich [team] is a group of people rather than a singular object.
How about "The government [it] is awful"
Or "The government [they] are awful"
the team ur gonnae win
quote:Originally posted by Carnelian:
Probably be hung for this but:-
Hung, or hanged?
hung intit? as in ah hung the basturt oot the windae
quote:Originally posted by Tam:
hung intit? as in ah hung the basturt oot the windae
Well?
quote:Originally posted by *Pesky-Pixie*:
The first one..there's only one team.
For 'are' to be used there should be more than one team??
I'm wrong, ain't I?
You're correct PP!
