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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

I have never and WOULD never cross a picket line, I would starve first,

i'd happily dance a jig across any picket line, when i was much much younger and starting out in life i was ordered to join a union where i was working, i was sacked because i refused to join and no way was i prepared to pay union dues to help fund the labour party since then my contempt for the unions hasnt abaited.

you only have to look at the whineing socalists blamming maggie for all the wrongs in the world to see just how bitter and twisted they are, if it wasnt for the unions turning the uk into the sick man of europe we wouldnt have needed a thatcher to help put us back on track, sadly many more people then lost their jobs too but make no mistake the unions were to blame not the tories.

and now we have the same socialists with the same old rhetoric seeing facists everywhere without a hint of reality in their claims, they are just so deluded if they think the bnp could take power in the uk anymore than they could, the european elections are totaly different to normal uk elections in that they use pr, pr is an abject failure as it gives groups like the bnp a hint of power without them achieving any at all, even if the bnp won EVERY seat in the uk eu elections it still wouldnt make the slightest difference since eu law is made by unelected bodies not the mep's, so its perfectly safe to vote bnp as a protest vote in the eu elections as long as you dont carry that support over to uk council or national elections.

its not the bnp in europe people should worry about but those who are persuing hitlers dream of a european superstate something the bnp are against, at home, the bnp have little to no chance of ever getting more than a few seats so all the false wailing and nashing of teeth by the left is just smoke and mirrors.

s funny init how we all have different lives n how that has an affect on the way we think,

see ME I will be eternaly grateful to the unions, and to the socialists for giving me a poor bloke from a poor family the chance to have at least SOME employment rights, so that the bosses cant/couldnt treat me as no more than cattle,and that I dont need to be rich to get my broken leg fixed etc,
and I will for ever despise Thatcher and all she stands for,
I remeber her refering to the hard working men and women of ths country as the enemy within,
I have recently moved from Stoke on Trent where they have something like 9 BNP councilors on the local council, and I have fond memories of the skinheaded PHUCKS that support em threatning to kick my head in cause I told em where to shove their leaflets,

you say electing them in eu elections "as a protest" wouldnt make any difference, well it would make ME sick to my stomache for a start if I ever put an X next to one of their names,

as for a European superstate, I personaly would have no problem with that at all, I would be quite willing to call my self a european rather than British or English,
I think it WILL happen sooner or later anyway its evoloution,
at one time village fought village city fought city, county fought county, it would lessen the chances of another european war,
and as the EU seems to be left of centre I dont think for one second its what Adolf had in mind,

smoke n mirrors? perhaps, but I aint willing to give em ONE INCH its not worth the risk, IMO

well you are right we certainly see things differently and it appears have seen different things.

i dont confuse employment rights with the union bullying that was happening pre-thatcher, companies going to the wall because the unions couldnt care about their "supporters", all they cared about was how much powe they could get no matter what damage it did to the companies they infested, the "closed shop" agreements that blocked the fair employment of staff on the grounds that they were in the "wrong" union so you didnt get employment on merit but on who you paid your union dues to and if you on principle refused to support any of the unions you were effectively blocked from being employed in most industry and civil service jobs, that seems to me to show the unions had much more in common with the current bnp than you are prepared to admit.

i too remember he comments about the enemy within however i also remember that they were aimed squarely at the enemies of the country like certain union hardliners and local politicians, not the millions of normal decent working people.

your comments on stok on trent are sad and i've no reason to disbelieve anything you say on the subject of the skinheads in that area however i've had the same exact issues from socialists when delivering election leaflets for the conservatives on a council estate so its not only the bnp/skins/nazis that have exclusivity on being phucks but the socialist and union supporting left too, i wont say there are bad apples in every barrel because thats too simplistic but lets just say that in extremism be it left/union or bnp/skinhead there are more than the fair share of morons.

maybe the eu is left of centre but thats not my or many others reasons to dislike it, if history has taught us anything its that when artificial "superstates" are created trouble will follow and that dates back from the time of carthage and rome right upto bosnia and the breakup of the soviet union, even our own small united kingdom hasnt been without its fair share of troubles between its constituant parts and close neighbours, the european constitution simply sows the seeds of destruction as it attempts to erradicate national identity into a one size fits all united states of europe, we have different languages, different cultures, different histories and even different political systems, these things cant be erradicated at a eurocrats whim and by coercing countries into joining up it just alienates many of its peoples.

north america has its imperfect nafta treaty but i'm sure that if someone could force the entire north and south american continets into a single country you wouldnt expect it to carry on for long before a "civil war" started, the same applies in europe, forcing disparate countries together is just going to lead to the inevitable "european civil war" not prevent it.

as to the eu being left of centre, no i doubt hitler had that in mind but what he did want was a european superstate under the control of an unelected body, in his case that was himself and his nazi party, nowdays its the european comission, heck hitler even allowed (meaningless) "elections", just like the eu elections.

the problem with not giving an inch is the same ones the unions had, if you cant compromise a little it can end up being self defeating and end with the opposite of what you want, like with the postman refusing to deliver bnp leaflets, it just gives them tons of extra free publicity and in some eyes help them portray themselves as the victims.

Yada yada! I have gone with my own experience of Union backup etc to achive early retirement due to ill health.If that was due solely to the private sector I'd be up shit creek etc...

I would just add one personal point of view to the union issue. They were sorely needed to bring the bosses to heel and stop them exploiting the workers. However as with a lot of things this then went on to seeking the power of the unions for political ends. The avowed intent of Arthur Scargill was not to improve things for the miners but to bring down the government (a Labour government incidentally).

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I would just add one personal point of view to the union issue. They were sorely needed to bring the bosses to heel and stop them exploiting the workers. However as with a lot of things this then went on to seeking the power of the unions for political ends. The avowed intent of Arthur Scargill was not to improve things for the miners but to bring down the government (a Labour government incidentally).

Indeed! Ted Heath, in retrospect and compared to Blair and Brown, was one of the most left wing PMs of my lifetime. Or were you refering to the notorious Marxist Thatcher?

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I would just add one personal point of view to the union issue. They were sorely needed to bring the bosses to heel and stop them exploiting the workers. However as with a lot of things this then went on to seeking the power of the unions for political ends. The avowed intent of Arthur Scargill was not to improve things for the miners but to bring down the government (a Labour government incidentally).

Indeed! Ted Heath, in retrospect and compared to Blair and Brown, was one of the most left wing PMs of my lifetime. Or were you refering to the notorious Marxist Thatcher?

Thank you so much for your sarcastic post I was referring to Callaghan actually but thank you so much for correcting me on my timing.

On June 26 1977, a worried Mr Callaghan told ministers gathered at Chequers - his official country residence - that they were "not dealing with respectable unionism but rent a mob". "If things continue on the present basis there could well be fatalities and in circumstances which might be in danger of bringing the Government down," he warned. Mr Callaghan was particularly concerned about the activities of Mr Scargill whose was organising thousands of miners to join the pickets.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I would just add one personal point of view to the union issue. They were sorely needed to bring the bosses to heel and stop them exploiting the workers. However as with a lot of things this then went on to seeking the power of the unions for political ends. The avowed intent of Arthur Scargill was not to improve things for the miners but to bring down the government (a Labour government incidentally).

Indeed! Ted Heath, in retrospect and compared to Blair and Brown, was one of the most left wing PMs of my lifetime. Or were you refering to the notorious Marxist Thatcher?

Thank you so much for your sarcastic post I was referring to Callaghan actually but thank you so much for correcting me on my timing.

The bit about Heath was not sarcastic. He was a complete leftie compared to today's marketeers. Those were the days of one nation Toryism when the Tories wanted everyone to have a chance.

I don't recall Artie trying to bring down Callaghan mind.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

I don't recall Artie trying to bring down Callaghan mind.

Well your memory differs from mine. I remember it only too well. And since you left it out of your reply to my post I will put it in here again to refresh your memory

On June 26 1977, a worried Mr Callaghan told ministers gathered at Chequers - his official country residence - that they were "not dealing with respectable unionism but rent a mob". "If things continue on the present basis there could well be fatalities and in circumstances which might be in danger of bringing the Government down," he warned. Mr Callaghan was particularly concerned about the activities of Mr Scargill whose was organising thousands of miners to join the pickets.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

I don't recall Artie trying to bring down Callaghan mind.

Well your memory differs from mine. I remember it only too well. And since you left it out of your reply to my post I will put it in here again to refresh your memory

On June 26 1977, a worried Mr Callaghan told ministers gathered at Chequers - his official country residence - that they were "not dealing with respectable unionism but rent a mob". "If things continue on the present basis there could well be fatalities and in circumstances which might be in danger of bringing the Government down," he warned. Mr Callaghan was particularly concerned about the activities of Mr Scargill whose was organising thousands of miners to join the pickets.

As far as I remember. Callaghan didn't have a majority as such when he became PM. The economy was in a mess and he tried a policy of wage restraint. This led to the Winter of Discontent where various public sector unions went on strike. There were piles of bodies on every street corner, and unburried rubbish. I don't recall any special imput from Scargill or the industrial unions.

Still! We were happier in those days.

..... and to be fair 1977 was two years (Jim) Prior to the event.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:


As far as I remember. Callaghan didn't have a majority as such when he became PM. The economy was in a mess and he tried a policy of wage restraint. This led to the Winter of Discontent where various public sector unions went on strike. There were piles of bodies on every street corner, and unburried rubbish. I don't recall any special imput from Scargill or the industrial unions.

Still! We were happier in those days.

Yes you are right in what you remember but its like not mentioning the elephant in the room if you are going to leave out the unions flexing their muscles. They were making the lives of a lot of ordinary working men totally miserable because they seemed to have lost sight of working for their members and they were intent on getting more powerful. They just about closed down the London docks on their own, well no not just about they DID close down the London docks, one of our friends worked there and was thrown out of work.

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..... and to be fair 1977 was two years (Jim) Prior to the event.

No matter, the state of the country then was getting worse and worse. It needed sorting. As it does now.

There may be a geographical factor at work here. I suspect that, if you live in that London or surrounding area, your interpretations will be turtelly different to mine.
As someone in the top right of the country I look at pre 1979 and see an ordered industrial society.
Post 1979, a society attempting to survive the Thatcherite attack which left our industries smashed and the social network destroyed.
All the Thatcherites. and Blair and Brown understood was the market.
But.... No Plan B for when the market collapsed.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
..... and to be fair 1977 was two years (Jim) Prior to the event.

No matter, the state of the country then was getting worse and worse. It needed sorting. As it does now.

Au contraire! Some would argue that they have never had it so good. Those, who are able to adapt to the evil market system, have conserved their cash and not wasted it on fripperies and fetishising their houses, cars, and kids. Those who have kept out of debt are now sitting pretty. Food and houses seem relatively cheap too.
Those are the lucky people who have understood and played the market sytem. It's all ironic isn't it? The people who voted this lot in, in '79 are the ones who complain loudest.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
There may be a geographical factor at work here. I suspect that, if you live in that London or surrounding area, your interpretations will be turtelly different to mine.
As someone in the top right of the country I look at pre 1979 and see an ordered industrial society.
Post 1979, a society attempting to survive the Thatcherite attack which left our industries smashed and the social network destroyed.
All the Thatcherites. and Blair and Brown understood was the market.
But.... No Plan B for when the market collapsed.

I live in the lower left hand of the country Garage Joe. Now you tell me are our circumstances now so different. There is no manufacturing industry down here. Jobs are extremely difficult to come by. Your only real chance is the tourist industry and that can be seasonal. My view is that we are precisely where we always are when a Labour government has been in power for any length of time, with a completely ruined economy. By all means vote for an alternative, that is your right, but my view is that only the Conservatives can sort out the financial mess and that might even be a stretch for them this time.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:


The people who voted this lot in, in '79 are the ones who complain loudest.

The 'lot' who were voted in in '79 have not been in power for quite a while now !

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:


The people who voted this lot in, in '79 are the ones who complain loudest.

The 'lot' who were voted in in '79 have not been in power for quite a while now !

Until someone renounces Thatcherism as a mistake....... I would even vote for Cameron if he suggested a return to "one nation Toryism!"

Sorry about the delay I have been putting rolls of £50 notes in the Aga. Now I must go to check up on my parents.
Have a nice rest of the day squiggle

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
There may be a geographical factor at work here. I suspect that, if you live in that London or surrounding area, your interpretations will be turtelly different to mine.
As someone in the top right of the country I look at pre 1979 and see an ordered industrial society.
Post 1979, a society attempting to survive the Thatcherite attack which left our industries smashed and the social network destroyed.
All the Thatcherites. and Blair and Brown understood was the market.
But.... No Plan B for when the market collapsed.

Great post.


And I think ultimately how you feel about personalities like Thatcher is down to your own exposure to events.

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Originally posted by Scotty:
Vote SNP..problem solved.

I do not understand why people would vote SNP. Independence would be short lived as all that would happen is Salmond would hand over everything to the EU.
All he wants is to sit at the top table in europe as his ego is bigger than our country.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
There may be a geographical factor at work here. I suspect that, if you live in that London or surrounding area, your interpretations will be turtelly different to mine.
As someone in the top right of the country I look at pre 1979 and see an ordered industrial society.
Post 1979, a society attempting to survive the Thatcherite attack which left our industries smashed and the social network destroyed.
All the Thatcherites. and Blair and Brown understood was the market.
But.... No Plan B for when the market collapsed.

Great post.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:


The people who voted this lot in, in '79 are the ones who complain loudest.

The 'lot' who were voted in in '79 have not been in power for quite a while now !

Until someone renounces Thatcherism as a mistake....... I would even vote for Cameron if he suggested a return to "one nation Toryism!"

Sorry about the delay I have been putting rolls of £50 notes in the Aga. Now I must go to check up on my parents.
Have a nice rest of the day squiggle

Bye Garage Joe, been interesting to talk to you this morning. We are widely separated geographically and maybe even politically but I suspect that we are both in search of the same thing, a vast improvement to the way things are now. Hope you manage, like me, to remain hate free. Hope your parents are OK

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I've always voted Labour,but alas not now.There is no way in hell I'd vote Tory.I've the champagne on ice when auld Maggie pops her clogs.

It is very sad to me that you can still hold so much hatred for one person when so much damage has been done to us all by the Labour government since its been in charge.

She fecked us up in Scotland,she had no MP's up here to lose,so she brought in the poll tax a year before the rest of the country,as an "Experiment" etc.Decimated the big industries up here,she is loathed.I make no apology for hating her or her legacy.

And has the Labour government been good for you and your area?

WELL I dunno bout anyone elses experience under labour, but for me personally they were/are a VAST improvement over the Tories, not saying
they are perfect, far from it, and I do feel let down by them in some respects
but it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever vote Tory.
I sometimes wonder how old some of the Labour bashers are, I am 56 and
still have a good memory of life under the tories,
working in a stupidly low paid job with NO employment rights no working tax
credits, being told by my boss that if I dont like it there are plenty more on
the dole who can take my place, and even if I did walk out there where NO other jobs out there, and the dole wouldn't pay me for 6 months cause I
had walked out, dark days indeed, so DONT tell ME to vote the Tory Bastards back in,

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
I've always voted Labour,but alas not now.There is no way in hell I'd vote Tory.I've the champagne on ice when auld Maggie pops her clogs.

It is very sad to me that you can still hold so much hatred for one person when so much damage has been done to us all by the Labour government since its been in charge.

She fecked us up in Scotland,she had no MP's up here to lose,so she brought in the poll tax a year before the rest of the country,as an "Experiment" etc.Decimated the big industries up here,she is loathed.I make no apology for hating her or her legacy.

And has the Labour government been good for you and your area?

WELL I dunno bout anyone elses experience under labour, but for me personally they were/are a VAST improvement over the Tories, not saying
they are perfect, far from it, and I do feel let down by them in some respects
but it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever vote Tory.
I sometimes wonder how old some of the Labour bashers are, I am 56 and
still have a good memory of life under the tories,
working in a stupidly low paid job with NO employment rights no working tax
credits, being told by my boss that if I dont like it there are plenty more on
the dole who can take my place, and even if I did walk out there where NO other jobs out there, and the dole wouldn't pay me for 6 months cause I
had walked out, dark days indeed, so DONT tell ME to vote the Tory Bastards back in,

Who told you to vote them in? I merely commented that I find it very sad to hear of people who cling to hatred, and I do.
There are all shades of political opinion on here but I never try to shout down others who think differently to me. If it offends you that I point out that the Labour governments that have been in power now for so many years have not improved things, and in my opinion made them much worse in many areas, then I can only apologise.

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
I've always voted Labour,but alas not now.There is no way in hell I'd vote Tory.I've the champagne on ice when auld Maggie pops her clogs.

It is very sad to me that you can still hold so much hatred for one person when so much damage has been done to us all by the Labour government since its been in charge.

She fecked us up in Scotland,she had no MP's up here to lose,so she brought in the poll tax a year before the rest of the country,as an "Experiment" etc.Decimated the big industries up here,she is loathed.I make no apology for hating her or her legacy.

And has the Labour government been good for you and your area?

WELL I dunno bout anyone elses experience under labour, but for me personally they were/are a VAST improvement over the Tories, not saying
they are perfect, far from it, and I do feel let down by them in some respects
but it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever vote Tory.
I sometimes wonder how old some of the Labour bashers are, I am 56 and
still have a good memory of life under the tories,
working in a stupidly low paid job with NO employment rights no working tax
credits, being told by my boss that if I dont like it there are plenty more on
the dole who can take my place, and even if I did walk out there where NO other jobs out there, and the dole wouldn't pay me for 6 months cause I
had walked out, dark days indeed, so DONT tell ME to vote the Tory Bastards back in,

Who told you to vote them in? I merely commented that I find it very sad to hear of people who cling to hatred, and I do.
There are all shades of political opinion on here but I never try to shout down others who think differently to me. If it offends you that I point out that the Labour governments that have been in power now for so many years have not improved things, and in my opinion made them much worse in many areas, then I can only apologise.

oooer sorry I wasnt aiming it at YOU personaly it was meant as a general thing

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oooer sorry I wasnt aiming it at YOU personaly it was meant as a general thing

It just read like that OHG

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Who told you to vote them in? I merely commented that I find it very sad to hear of people who cling to hatred, and I do.
There are all shades of political opinion on here but I never try to shout down others who think differently to me. If it offends you that I point out that the Labour governments that have been in power now for so many years have not improved things, and in my opinion made them much worse in many areas, then I can only apologise.

I absolutely agree with you squiggle. I am a Conservative and that is what I have voted for years, and will vote for many years to come (unless something drastic happens ). I am used to being derided for being a Conservative and tend to just at those people that do As far as I am concerned, people can vote for who they like and shouldn't be put down for their choice

OK LL
I had a long drive to my parents today.
As you would expect in such an area there were Tory "Time for a change!" posters all over every hedgeback.
Are you able to say what the Tories are going to change to? Blair and Brown haven't changed from a Thatcherite Market economy, so will Dave? Will he renounce her and take us back to the halcyon days of one nation Toryism?

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Who told you to vote them in? I merely commented that I find it very sad to hear of people who cling to hatred, and I do.
There are all shades of political opinion on here but I never try to shout down others who think differently to me. If it offends you that I point out that the Labour governments that have been in power now for so many years have not improved things, and in my opinion made them much worse in many areas, then I can only apologise.

I absolutely agree with you squiggle. I am a Conservative and that is what I have voted for years, and will vote for many years to come (unless something drastic happens ). I am used to being derided for being a Conservative and tend to just at those people that do As far as I am concerned, people can vote for who they like and shouldn't be put down for their choice

Thank you Liverpool Lass that makes me feel better! We certainly seem to think alike The thing is I would never ever vote for a bunch of thugs like the BNP and people like me and my OH are just ordinary working people, not Tory fat cats. He was a postman I was a secretary. I really don't get why people like us should be made to feel like enemies of the state because we don't fall for Labour spin. I believe David Cameron really gets it, the changes we need in the system in a way that Gordon Brown still does not. Just my opinion but I think this whole greedy culture started with the Blairs and people have just leapt on board the gravy train, to their shame.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
OK LL
I had a long drive to my parents today.
As you would expect in such an area there were Tory "Time for a change!" posters all over every hedgeback.
Are you able to say what the Tories are going to change to? Blair and Brown haven't changed from a Thatcherite Market economy, so will Dave? Will he renounce her and take us back to the halcyon days of one nation Toryism?

Hiya!

Renounce Maggie do you mean? I hope not! I have no idea what David Cameron is going to do, but it's got to be helluva lot better than this shower we have in at the moment. Time for new blood, give them a chance - they can't do any worse

For all the Thatcher haters, Mark Thomas has started a protest against the state funeral policy for her..... http://www.markthomasinfo.com/...updates/thatcher.asp

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
OK LL
I had a long drive to my parents today.
As you would expect in such an area there were Tory "Time for a change!" posters all over every hedgeback.
Are you able to say what the Tories are going to change to? Blair and Brown haven't changed from a Thatcherite Market economy, so will Dave? Will he renounce her and take us back to the halcyon days of one nation Toryism?

Hiya!

Renounce Maggie do you mean? I hope not! I have no idea what David Cameron is going to do, but it's got to be helluva lot better than this shower we have in at the moment. Time for new blood, give them a chance - they can't do any worse

And someone has to get us out of this financial mess. Although I think even the Conservatives will struggle this time. Gordon Brown has put off until after the next election many bad financial problems, for instance our contributions to the EU are due to increase after the date of the next election tells me more than anything that GB doesn't think he is going to win.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

Thank you Liverpool Lass that makes me feel better! We certainly seem to think alike The thing is I would never ever vote for a bunch of thugs like the BNP and people like me and my OH are just ordinary working people, not Tory fat cats. He was a postman I was a secretary. I really don't get why people like us should be made to feel like enemies of the state because we don't fall for Labour spin. I believe David Cameron really gets it, the changes we need in the system in a way that Gordon Brown still does not. Just my opinion but I think this whole greedy culture started with the Blairs and people have just leapt on board the gravy train, to their shame.

It seems we do think alike on alot of things Like you I am an ordinary working woman, but it is time for a change in this country. Give the Conservatives a chance and see if they can repair the damage this corrupt government has done.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
OK LL
I had a long drive to my parents today.
As you would expect in such an area there were Tory "Time for a change!" posters all over every hedgeback.
Are you able to say what the Tories are going to change to? Blair and Brown haven't changed from a Thatcherite Market economy, so will Dave? Will he renounce her and take us back to the halcyon days of one nation Toryism?

Hiya!

Renounce Maggie do you mean? I hope not! I have no idea what David Cameron is going to do, but it's got to be helluva lot better than this shower we have in at the moment. Time for new blood, give them a chance - they can't do any worse

So basically we don't know whether he is going to change anything.
Other news... I notice from another poster that the ideologically bankrupt UKIP are also using Churchill now. He must be spinning.

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So basically we don't know whether he is going to change anything.

'er no

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Other news... I notice from another poster that the ideologically bankrupt UKIP are also using Churchill now. He must be spinning.

I hold my hand up and admit I am not very politically minded and certainly don't pretend to know that much about politics. I just know that this government has run it's course and need to go sooner rather than later.

How are UKIP using Churchill?

I think this might be a good time to remind everyone of the slogan that Tony Blair used

Things Can Only Get Better

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How are UKIP using Churchill?

On a dead dead big poster I passed on m'way home. He was doing a Victory sign. I object to these people taking the country's hero in vain.

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Originally posted by faerykelstar:
For all the Thatcher haters, Mark Thomas has started a protest against the state funeral policy for her..... http://www.markthomasinfo.com/...updates/thatcher.asp

Is that the best he can do nowadays? Can you remember when he was funny?

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How are UKIP using Churchill?

On a dead dead big poster I passed on m'way home. He was doing a Victory sign. I object to these people taking the country's hero in vain.

Churchill was Conservative!

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I think this might be a good time to remind everyone of the slogan that Tony Blair used

Things Can Only Get Better

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:


How are UKIP using Churchill?

On a dead dead big poster I passed on m'way home. He was doing a Victory sign. I object to these people taking the country's hero in vain.

Churchill was Conservative!

This is like being at school......
.... and was he exclusively Conservative young squiggle?

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:


How are UKIP using Churchill?

On a dead dead big poster I passed on m'way home. He was doing a Victory sign. I object to these people taking the country's hero in vain.

Churchill was Conservative!

This is like being at school......
.... and was he exclusively Conservative young squiggle?