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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
I usually give political or religeous threads a wide wide berth.... but here goes.... my concerns...

..with the current level of public outrage at our politicians, resulting in a more widespread voter apathy than I have ever previously known, I am really quite worried about the BNP.

They are loving the desperation the credit crunch has created and all these recent corrupt MP reports and resulting public anger... and on forums and in RL I have been really really shocked at the level of support the BNP seem to be getting.

I think its important to still vote to ensure the BNP don't end up being the real winners in all this, and end up sneaking in the back door and gaining power in the EU or our parliament.

And with that, I am now scarpering out of this thread and into something way more shallow and safe!

(welcome back OP xx)



Well if you're giving it a go.... I will too. You're an inspiration Ditty. Big Grin

I worry about the rise of the BNP in my area too. A large percentage of the constituents are on a very low wage, and turn out for elections are low. In one area of the town a BNP candidate was elected onto the council with the grand total of 72 votes! Over the last 5 years there has been a huge influx of EU workers and relations between the different communities are strained. The BNP campaign heavily here during elections and needless to say they use the foreign worker issue to their advantage..... seemingly forgetting the workers are only here because the local population did not want to do the work themselves.

I am a long time labour supporter living in a town where a labour vote is a wasted vote. The conservatives normally have this place in the bag..... but next time round I will seriously consider voting conservative if it will stop these idiots gaining ground.
Ducky
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
I will be honest here the B NAZI P scare the hell out of me, BECAUSE they apeal to the politicaly ignorant and the dim, with their knee jerk reactions to the problems in our country,



That sums up how I feel too.

What with their increasing following... and those that oppose them either not voting, or voting for very small parties....

it scares me!
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Originally posted by Duckypup:

Well if you're giving it a go.... I will too. You're an inspiration Ditty. Big Grin

I worry about the rise of the BNP in my area too. A large percentage of the constituents are on a very low wage, and turn out for elections are low. In one area of the town a BNP candidate was elected onto the council with the grand total of 72 votes! Over the last 5 years there has been a huge influx of EU workers and relations between the different communities are strained. The BNP campaign heavily here during elections and needless to say they use the foreign worker issue to their advantage..... seemingly forgetting the workers are only here because the local population did not want to do the work themselves.

I am a long time labour supporter living in a town where a labour vote is a wasted vote. The conservatives normally have this place in the bag..... but next time round I will seriously consider voting conservative if it will stop these idiots gaining ground.


*nestles into Duckys feathers and feels safe*

Valentine
Dirtyprettygirlthing
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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
quote:
Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
I've always voted Labour,but alas not now.There is no way in hell I'd vote Tory.I've the champagne on ice when auld Maggie pops her clogs.


It is very sad to me that you can still hold so much hatred for one person when so much damage has been done to us all by the Labour government since its been in charge.


She fecked us up in Scotland,she had no MP's up here to lose,so she brought in the poll tax a year before the rest of the country,as an "Experiment" etc.Decimated the big industries up here,she is loathed.I make no apology for hating her or her legacy.

She did the same to us in South Wales Nod
Wrecked our traditional industries and put whole communities on the scrapheap.
There will be corks popping all over the country when she carks it, I can tell you Ninja
Demantoid
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
I will be honest here the B NAZI P scare the hell out of me, BECAUSE they apeal to the politicaly ignorant and the dim, with their knee jerk reactions to the problems in our country,

and it is EXACTLY these fears that the German nazis played on in the 1920s n 30s,
I know that anyone with any intelligence can see them for what they realy are, but the number of people I know personaly who say that they (the scum) seem to be the ONLY party that has the British peoples interests at heart is shocking,

its got to the point where, when talking to some of my friends we tend not to "go there"

MY fear is that they will us into a civil war, cause you can spout democracy and "freedom of choice/speech" to me till you are blue in the face,
I know that I am NOT alone when I say we WILL NOT LET THIS HAPPEN, no matter what it takes they WILL be stopped, Nod


I think it's fair to say most on here are in agreement with your opinion of the BNP, well I sure am.

So having established that are you comfortable with the current govt with their I.D. cards, central database etc ?

Or do you want change ?

and if so is such a thing really possible ?
Comrade Ogilvy
quote:
Originally posted by Demantoid:
quote:
Originally posted by kattymieoww:
quote:
Originally posted by squiggle:
quote:
Originally posted by kattymieoww:
I've always voted Labour,but alas not now.There is no way in hell I'd vote Tory.I've the champagne on ice when auld Maggie pops her clogs.


It is very sad to me that you can still hold so much hatred for one person when so much damage has been done to us all by the Labour government since its been in charge.


She fecked us up in Scotland,she had no MP's up here to lose,so she brought in the poll tax a year before the rest of the country,as an "Experiment" etc.Decimated the big industries up here,she is loathed.I make no apology for hating her or her legacy.

She did the same to us in South Wales Nod
Wrecked our traditional industries and put whole communities on the scrapheap.
There will be corks popping all over the country when she carks it, I can tell you Ninja



Same here, steal and mining were wiped out, it's hard to forget how it affected most of our lives.
Dame_Ann_Average
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
You mention the Nazis in 20/30s. What I can never get through to people is that the first lot to be murdered were all Germans.
He even had 50% of his supporters killed. The Brownshirts led by Roehm.


yup, he used his brownshirts (read skinhead boot boy thugs)to get into power and then did away with them, Nod
old hippy guy
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
You mention the Nazis in 20/30s. What I can never get through to people is that the first lot to be murdered were all Germans.
He even had 50% of his supporters killed. The Brownshirts led by Roehm.


yup, he used his brownshirts (read skinhead boot boy thugs)to get into power and then did away with them, Nod



Yes used the thick underclass to get rid of the opposition,then got rid of them,to let the more "Intellectuals" govern etc.
kattymieoww
quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
I will be honest here the B NAZI P scare the hell out of me, BECAUSE they apeal to the politicaly ignorant and the dim, with their knee jerk reactions to the problems in our country,

and it is EXACTLY these fears that the German nazis played on in the 1920s n 30s,
I know that anyone with any intelligence can see them for what they realy are, but the number of people I know personaly who say that they (the scum) seem to be the ONLY party that has the British peoples interests at heart is shocking,

its got to the point where, when talking to some of my friends we tend not to "go there"

MY fear is that they will us into a civil war, cause you can spout democracy and "freedom of choice/speech" to me till you are blue in the face,
I know that I am NOT alone when I say we WILL NOT LET THIS HAPPEN, no matter what it takes they WILL be stopped, Nod


I think it's fair to say most on here are in agreement with your opinion of the BNP, well I sure am.

So having established that are you comfortable with the current govt with their I.D. cards, central database etc ?

Or do you want change ?

and if so is such a thing really possible ?


TBF The ID Cards and Database are more to do with the money generated. Like I said before, American based snake oil salesmen.
Given their track record so far, none of it will work, but they will have trousered a few more billion.
Garage Joe
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. Since comming to power nobody has dare to try and debate the concerns of many about the uncontrolled immigration policy, if they did they were labelled racist.
Whether peoples concerns are valid or not if they are not allowed to express their views freely then they will look elsewhere for an outlet for them.
Luxor
quote:
Originally posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
quote:
Originally posted by Demantoid:
quote:
Originally posted by kattymieoww:
quote:
Originally posted by squiggle:
quote:
Originally posted by kattymieoww:
I've always voted Labour,but alas not now.There is no way in hell I'd vote Tory.I've the champagne on ice when auld Maggie pops her clogs.


It is very sad to me that you can still hold so much hatred for one person when so much damage has been done to us all by the Labour government since its been in charge.


She fecked us up in Scotland,she had no MP's up here to lose,so she brought in the poll tax a year before the rest of the country,as an "Experiment" etc.Decimated the big industries up here,she is loathed.I make no apology for hating her or her legacy.

She did the same to us in South Wales Nod
Wrecked our traditional industries and put whole communities on the scrapheap.
There will be corks popping all over the country when she carks it, I can tell you Ninja



Same here, steal and mining were wiped out, it's hard to forget how it affected most of our lives.

Nod And I'll never forget how much I despised that woman. The 80s might have been boom-time for parts of the prosperous south, but they were pure misery for those of us who came from traditional working class areas.
Demantoid
Actually the BNP might not be quite so happy with the attention they've been getting as some may think. The recent revelations of Griffins' discussion with the Head of the Ku Klux Klan on how to con the voters and his description of the Holocaust as the "Holohoax" has well and truly outed the BNP as a standard issue fascist party rather than the UKIP for the working classes it's been trying to promote itself as.
captain marbles
quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
I will be honest here the B NAZI P scare the hell out of me, BECAUSE they apeal to the politicaly ignorant and the dim, with their knee jerk reactions to the problems in our country,

and it is EXACTLY these fears that the German nazis played on in the 1920s n 30s,
I know that anyone with any intelligence can see them for what they realy are, but the number of people I know personaly who say that they (the scum) seem to be the ONLY party that has the British peoples interests at heart is shocking,

its got to the point where, when talking to some of my friends we tend not to "go there"

MY fear is that they will us into a civil war, cause you can spout democracy and "freedom of choice/speech" to me till you are blue in the face,
I know that I am NOT alone when I say we WILL NOT LET THIS HAPPEN, no matter what it takes they WILL be stopped, Nod


I think it's fair to say most on here are in agreement with your opinion of the BNP, well I sure am.

So having established that are you comfortable with the current govt with their I.D. cards, central database etc ?

Or do you want change ?

and if so is such a thing really possible ?


both the I.D. cards AND the central DNA data base ideas have been dropped aint they? and anyway, there is no F'ing way in this
world that I would sign up for them or accept them, if it meant going to jail then so be it,
cause like I said somewhere else, its all very well spouting the standard "if you have nothing to hide" rubbish, but what happens IF a bunch of
basts like the BNP ever did come to power? what would THEY do with this information?
I am not comfortable with the present government at all, like a lot of Labour supporters I feel VERY let down by them oh how I remeber going into work on that glorious day in 1997 people were hugging each other smiling and punching the air, AT LAST we were rid of the Tories....little did we know,
I URGE EVERYONE USE YOU VOTE DAMIT, vote for someone ANYONE except the NAZIS, even Tory if you must, but a non vote is as good as another vote for the extremists, Nod
old hippy guy
quote:
Originally posted by captain marbles:
Actually the BNP might not be quite so happy with the attention they've been getting as some may think. The recent revelations of Griffins' discussion with the Head of the Ku Klux Klan on how to con the voters and his description of the Holocaust as the "Holohoax" has well and truly outed the BNP as a standard issue fascist party rather than the UKIP for the working classes it's been trying to promote itself as.


have ya seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

FILTH Nod
old hippy guy
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by captain marbles:
Actually the BNP might not be quite so happy with the attention they've been getting as some may think. The recent revelations of Griffins' discussion with the Head of the Ku Klux Klan on how to con the voters and his description of the Holocaust as the "Holohoax" has well and truly outed the BNP as a standard issue fascist party rather than the UKIP for the working classes it's been trying to promote itself as.


have ya seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

FILTH Nod



So much for their 'We're not racist' claptrap. Shake Head
~Orchid~
quote:
Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by captain marbles:
Actually the BNP might not be quite so happy with the attention they've been getting as some may think. The recent revelations of Griffins' discussion with the Head of the Ku Klux Klan on how to con the voters and his description of the Holocaust as the "Holohoax" has well and truly outed the BNP as a standard issue fascist party rather than the UKIP for the working classes it's been trying to promote itself as.


have ya seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

FILTH Nod



So much for their 'We're not racist' claptrap. Shake Head


and thats from the horses mouth, HOW they can then deny being Nazis is beyond me, GOD help us all if they ever get into power Shake Head
old hippy guy
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. .


What loony left would that be?
Not that I myself am loony, although I suspect you include me within the broad description, but we haven't had a sniff of power or influence in thirty years.


"Loony Left" what an outdated Daily Mail headline. Laugh
kattymieoww
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by ~Orchid~:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by captain marbles:
Actually the BNP might not be quite so happy with the attention they've been getting as some may think. The recent revelations of Griffins' discussion with the Head of the Ku Klux Klan on how to con the voters and his description of the Holocaust as the "Holohoax" has well and truly outed the BNP as a standard issue fascist party rather than the UKIP for the working classes it's been trying to promote itself as.


have ya seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

FILTH Nod



So much for their 'We're not racist' claptrap. Shake Head


and thats from the horses mouth, HOW they can then deny being Nazis is beyond me, GOD help us all if they ever get into power Shake Head


They give themselves away,they can't help it being intellectually challenged.
kattymieoww
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. .


What loony left would that be?
Not that I myself am loony, although I suspect you include me within the broad description, but we haven't had a sniff of power or influence in thirty years.


If, like you appear, to be open to debate then you are not beyond redemtion. Big Grin
I speak of people like some I used to work with in my youth. There opinion was the be all and end all. I was once threatend that if I did not join their union then bad thing might happen when I was not looking.
Luxor
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. .


What loony left would that be?
Not that I myself am loony, although I suspect you include me within the broad description, but we haven't had a sniff of power or influence in thirty years.


If, like you appear, to be open to debate then you are not beyond redemtion. Big Grin
I speak of people like some I used to work with in my youth. There opinion was the be all and end all. I was once threatend that if I did not join their union then bad thing might happen when I was not looking.


I believe EVERYONE should have the right NOT to belong to a trades union,
providing that they then dont get ANY of the rights that the unions fought so hard to gain them, let them negotiate on their own for decent pay and working conditions and see how far THAT gets them, Nod
old hippy guy
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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by captain marbles:
Actually the BNP might not be quite so happy with the attention they've been getting as some may think. The recent revelations of Griffins' discussion with the Head of the Ku Klux Klan on how to con the voters and his description of the Holocaust as the "Holohoax" has well and truly outed the BNP as a standard issue fascist party rather than the UKIP for the working classes it's been trying to promote itself as.


have ya seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw

FILTH Nod


The KKK outfit scares the hell out of me.

I genuinely don't see how some people can't see the BNP for what they are, and how they can support them when it's obvious what they are about.
mary_bee
"Closed Shops" went out years ago,they were in the main for tradesmen etc.My late brother was a compositor(type setter,working with hot metal for printing presses) in the printing industry,talking about the seventies here.He really would not have got the apprenticeship/job if he didn't join the union.

However it was a "Them v's Us " industry then.
kattymieoww
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. .


What loony left would that be?
Not that I myself am loony, although I suspect you include me within the broad description, but we haven't had a sniff of power or influence in thirty years.


If, like you appear, to be open to debate then you are not beyond redemtion. Big Grin
I speak of people like some I used to work with in my youth. There opinion was the be all and end all. I was once threatend that if I did not join their union then bad thing might happen when I was not looking.


I believe EVERYONE should have the right NOT to belong to a trades union,
providing that they then dont get ANY or the rights that the unions fought so hard to gain them, let them negotiate on their own for decent pay and working conditions and see how far THAT gets them, Nod


I worked in Local government ,I've been on strike four times in my working life,all of those times to protect jobs and conditions.I'm proud I did.Yes it pissed me off that those that did not strike (scabs) still got the benefits we fought for.Still spoke to them etc.
I'm retired now (early) but my back still gets up when I read stuff.
kattymieoww
quote:
Originally posted by kattymieoww:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. .


What loony left would that be?
Not that I myself am loony, although I suspect you include me within the broad description, but we haven't had a sniff of power or influence in thirty years.


If, like you appear, to be open to debate then you are not beyond redemtion. Big Grin
I speak of people like some I used to work with in my youth. There opinion was the be all and end all. I was once threatend that if I did not join their union then bad thing might happen when I was not looking.


I believe EVERYONE should have the right NOT to belong to a trades union,
providing that they then dont get ANY or the rights that the unions fought so hard to gain them, let them negotiate on their own for decent pay and working conditions and see how far THAT gets them, Nod


I worked in Local government ,I've been on strike four times in my working life,all of those times to protect jobs and conditions.I'm proud I did.Yes it pissed me off that those that did not strike (scabs) still got the benefits we fought for.Still spoke to them etc.
I'm retired now (early) but my back still gets up when I read stuff.


I hate it when WORKING CLASS people dont support the unions, my GOD where would we be without them?
I have never and WOULD never cross a picket line, I would starve first, Nod
old hippy guy
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by kattymieoww:
quote:
Originally posted by old hippy guy:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by luxor:
I blame the current government and the loony left for the rise in the BNP. .


What loony left would that be?
Not that I myself am loony, although I suspect you include me within the broad description, but we haven't had a sniff of power or influence in thirty years.


If, like you appear, to be open to debate then you are not beyond redemtion. Big Grin
I speak of people like some I used to work with in my youth. There opinion was the be all and end all. I was once threatend that if I did not join their union then bad thing might happen when I was not looking.


I believe EVERYONE should have the right NOT to belong to a trades union,
providing that they then dont get ANY or the rights that the unions fought so hard to gain them, let them negotiate on their own for decent pay and working conditions and see how far THAT gets them, Nod


I worked in Local government ,I've been on strike four times in my working life,all of those times to protect jobs and conditions.I'm proud I did.Yes it pissed me off that those that did not strike (scabs) still got the benefits we fought for.Still spoke to them etc.
I'm retired now (early) but my back still gets up when I read stuff.


I hate it when WORKING CLASS people dont support the unions, my GOD where would we be without them?
I have never and WOULD never cross a picket line, I would starve first, Nod


I could never do it!
kattymieoww

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