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Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by MrsH:
 must have been a lot of warnings or suspensions given seeing the amount of name changes today

 

Still don't understand why some were warned/given an opp' to change their names and some of us weren't Mrs.H

I got my first ban on Tuesday got the emao; thursday..banned again lastnight no email yet....

 

So that proves it has absolutely nothing to do with the people who are being blamed for this.  Said this earlier today (yesterday) and was ignored.  

Tayto.

It's probably all linked to one or two people. They might have seen one person with a "username" rather than a real name and checked through their friends list. Then onto their friends list etc. I haven't read through all 8 pages here but after what happened with people inciting riots on FB I can't blame them. You can't expect them to read through every single post. It's not Gaga. There's more than 20 people posting there. I don't really see what the fuss is about. It's not a fan club, it was designed to be somewhere old friends and family could reunite. Why do that under any other name but your own? 

Cagney

hmmmmm  strikes me that if it is one or two people reporting others then if MrsH and Stonks got two boppings surely you can narrow it down using those second new account friends lists and see where you had the same people. .. then maybe check them and their friends out too cos that's the only way they can see your new names.   or check out where you both posted under the new names and see if any of those match up too. .narrows it down a bit...  just trying to think of who can see what around FB. .

 

if that fails suppose you could try MI5 

 

 it does seem a pretty mean thing to do

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

hmmmmm  strikes me that if it is one or two people reporting others then if MrsH and Stonks got two boppings surely you can narrow it down using those second new account friends lists and see where you had the same people. .. then maybe check them and their friends out too cos that's the only way they can see your new names.   or check out where you both posted under the new names and see if any of those match up too. .narrows it down a bit...  just trying to think of who can see what around FB. .

 

if that fails suppose you could try MI5 

 

 it does seem a pretty mean thing to do

It may have been easy to spot both on friends lists Olly because they both used the same avatar as their previous accounts as a way to show people that it was them when they reg'd under their new names 

 

I agree it is a pretty mean thing to do 

FM

oh well that's a shame Pengy. .but still if the person reporting is around they must have access via one of the friends they added, or a friend of one of their friends hence me saying a comparison may help. .plus a check of where they posted to see if any were the same. 

 

also when asking to add a friend you can add a personal message saying who it is. .I've always done that as nobody has a clue who I am if I don;t..  so you don't need the same avi.. bit late now tho

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

oh well that's a shame Pengy. .but still if the person reporting is around they must have access via one of the friends they added, or a friend of one of their friends hence me saying a comparison may help. .plus a check of where they posted to see if any were the same. 

 

also when asking to add a friend you can add a personal message saying who it is. .I've always done that as nobody has a clue who I am if I don;t..  so you don't need the same avi.. bit late now tho

I know exactly where you're coming from Olly  - tis causing a lot of upset and suspicion 

FM

in hind site a cross examination could have been done of friends lists etc but at the time of the disablements  this reporting info wasnt prominent and I just assumed it was FB culling off their own back - whether it is or not remains to be seen - nothing is set in stone as to what really happened - two boppings and still no contact from Face book !!

 

once the account is disabled you have lost all access to the profile as your password is blocked to stop you logging in - I am finding more and more friends lists are locked down so maybe wouldnt have been able  to see

 

it has been an experience and from what I read many forum peeps have found lost forum friends so something good has come out of it for some 

MrsH

Yep,I can't imagine anyone would be reporting screeds of accounts , a Facebook initiated clear-up is more likely, and it could have been done via friends lists as Cagney says , that would explain the fact we all got  deleted around  the same time .

 

Peed off at losing some of the info I had on there from waaay back, ( my fault, I should have backed it up)  but I hardly used the account anyway over the last couple of years until last week, so  I suppose I won't miss it really . ( if I'd been in the midst of my Yoville habit though I'd have been inconsolable! ) 

 

FM
Originally Posted by stonks:

Thing with that is I only know exch4ers that have been banned..I have an account that is clearly not a real name that I used to spam ch5 but did'nt have it attached to anyone else and thats still there....

Yep - I agree Stonks 

 

have looked around My OH's and Sons accounts this morning and there are some *fake* names on their friends list but still intact !!

 

Slinki - I was mid stream of 2 large games and gutted !!    a couple of gaming friends have emailed and their friends list despite containing various names in all disguises are still intact so the plot thickens 

 

if anyone knows anyhow of retrieving them I would be most grateful as to start again is soul destroying - I have contacted Zynga and am awaiting a reply !!

MrsH

My Veggie Burger id was pulled a couple of years back when we lost loads of FBers with fm names and I lost all my games so I really feel for anyone that this has happened to now.

I find I can't get into most of the FB games anymore as it seems to close down or freeze my browser so I'm waiting until I can afford a new pc.

But if anyone wants to add me for games I'm happy to oblige and if I can send stuff I will do so

FM
Originally Posted by MrsH:
Originally Posted by stonks:

Thing with that is I only know exch4ers that have been banned..I have an account that is clearly not a real name that I used to spam ch5 but did'nt have it attached to anyone else and thats still there....

Yep - I agree Stonks 

 

have looked around My OH's and Sons accounts this morning and there are some *fake* names on their friends list but still intact !!

 

Slinki - I was mid stream of 2 large games and gutted !!    a couple of gaming friends have emailed and their friends list despite containing various names in all disguises are still intact so the plot thickens 

 

if anyone knows anyhow of retrieving them I would be most grateful as to start again is soul destroying - I have contacted Zynga and am awaiting a reply !!

Awww Mrs H.. that's rotten . I know when I was Yoville-addicted, I'd have invaded Facebook's offices to get my account back! 

FM
Originally Posted by Orion:

Lots of people get banned from Facebook for using made up names.  All the time.  Not just people connected to here or Channel Four.  I know plenty of folk who have been.  Myself being one of them.  Three times. 

I know, I think it's the fact that it's a stack of Gaga- related accounts that have been wiped out around the same time that was mystifying folk. I reckon it's like Cagney says, some kind of Facebook-initiated cull of fake name accounts and is only in that order as it's probably a code sweep via friends lists.

I've never been kicked off anything on the interwebs before ,dunno whether to be a wee bit chuffed or not   

FM

Facebook wants to put an end to anonymity

 

At  a presentation hosted by Marie Claire magazine about cyber-bullying and social media today, Randi Zuckerberg, sister of Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook’s creator), she stated that Facebook might be forcing everyone to use their real names on their profiles. Apparently anonymity leads to irresponsible behavior on the internet (i.e. bullying, harassment) and thesocial network wants to put an end to that.

Here’s what she had to say about the situation: “the use of real names online could help curb bullying and harassment on the web. I think anonymity on the Internet has to go awayâ€Ķ People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. â€Ķ I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doorsâ€Ķ There’s so much more we can doâ€ĶWe’re actively trying to work with partners like Common Sense Media and our safety advisory committee.”

While that makes sense, not everybody who hides behind a fake name acts irresponsibly – some people just don’t want their details all over the internet, while they want to retain a connection with their friends and family on the online world. Forcing them to use their real names seems unnecessary and a little unfair don’t you think?

Then there are also people who have been using a nickname since they were young and it stuck – with all their friends and family referring to them by their “fake name”. Using a real name in this situation could also cause confusion for folks trying to reconnect in the future. And let’s not forget the whole issue about Mark Zuckerberg (the lawyer) being banned from Facebook because he has the same name as Facebook’s creator. What is your take on this issue? Should Facebook users be forced to use their real names?



http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/...ebook-end-anonymity/



MrsH

thing is there are some good points raised in that link Mrs H.  Yes I agree that people using their real names could make people behave due to repercussions.  However, when you open an FB account, you are not asked to provide any evidence that the name you are stating is your real name - I could register there under the name Joanne Smith (which isn't my name) and FB would be none the wiser if I opened a hotmail/googlemail email account of the same name!

 

When FB started it was University linked which meant it would have been easier to trace people.  When they then opened it up to anyone being able to have an account, they did so for let's face it, purely financial reasons without little recourse to cyber bullying, grooming or people who enjoy trolling.  Now they are being asked to be more responsible, they are culling accounts without telling people why or offering the chance to all account holders of changing their details.

 

There will be arguments from some celebs that their children will need anonymity but if they are under 18 they shouldn't have accounts in the first place. And at 18 if they don't know how to block or keep their account secure they shouldn't be let loose on the site in the first place!  Does FB police this properly????  There are rumours that they now want to open FB up to children from the age of 13.  Obviously there is the risk that more children will be targeted.  How many times do we read in the papers or hear on the news how some young girl/boy has been groomed via FB because the person they accepted as a friend turned out to be an old man/woman and not the 15 year old boy they thought they were chatting to???

 

As for nicknames or people that use second names - my cousin has always been known by her second name.  I doubt there are many people who know her first name.  At the moment she has it placed in the nickname section and it shows up on her profile as that nickname, but if FB enforce the 'real' name business, no one would be sure that who she is because few know her first name 

 

I understand why they would want real names used but I'm not sure without asking for evidence at the point of entry, how they are going to enforce it 

FM
Originally Posted by MrsH:

Facebook wants to put an end to anonymity

 

At  a presentation hosted by Marie Claire magazine about cyber-bullying and social media today, Randi Zuckerberg, sister of Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook’s creator), she stated that Facebook might be forcing everyone to use their real names on their profiles. Apparently anonymity leads to irresponsible behavior on the internet (i.e. bullying, harassment) and thesocial network wants to put an end to that.

Here’s what she had to say about the situation: “the use of real names online could help curb bullying and harassment on the web. I think anonymity on the Internet has to go awayâ€Ķ People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. â€Ķ I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doorsâ€Ķ There’s so much more we can doâ€ĶWe’re actively trying to work with partners like Common Sense Media and our safety advisory committee.”

While that makes sense, not everybody who hides behind a fake name acts irresponsibly – some people just don’t want their details all over the internet, while they want to retain a connection with their friends and family on the online world. Forcing them to use their real names seems unnecessary and a little unfair don’t you think?

Then there are also people who have been using a nickname since they were young and it stuck – with all their friends and family referring to them by their “fake name”. Using a real name in this situation could also cause confusion for folks trying to reconnect in the future. And let’s not forget the whole issue about Mark Zuckerberg (the lawyer) being banned from Facebook because he has the same name as Facebook’s creator. What is your take on this issue? Should Facebook users be forced to use their real names?

 

 

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/...ebook-end-anonymity/

 

 

 Which is all very well (as well as not being anything new - dunno when that statement was made) except Mark Zuckerberg's bloody dog has got an account.  Whilst technically I suppose it is under a real name it is hardly in keeping with restricting accounts to identifiable persons, is it?

 

He's a hypocritical twat.  I told him so as well.  He's still not got back to me. 

O
Originally Posted by Orion:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

Facebook wants to put an end to anonymity

 

At  a presentation hosted by Marie Claire magazine about cyber-bullying and social media today, Randi Zuckerberg, sister of Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook’s creator), she stated that Facebook might be forcing everyone to use their real names on their profiles. Apparently anonymity leads to irresponsible behavior on the internet (i.e. bullying, harassment) and thesocial network wants to put an end to that.

Here’s what she had to say about the situation: “the use of real names online could help curb bullying and harassment on the web. I think anonymity on the Internet has to go awayâ€Ķ People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. â€Ķ I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doorsâ€Ķ There’s so much more we can doâ€ĶWe’re actively trying to work with partners like Common Sense Media and our safety advisory committee.”

While that makes sense, not everybody who hides behind a fake name acts irresponsibly – some people just don’t want their details all over the internet, while they want to retain a connection with their friends and family on the online world. Forcing them to use their real names seems unnecessary and a little unfair don’t you think?

Then there are also people who have been using a nickname since they were young and it stuck – with all their friends and family referring to them by their “fake name”. Using a real name in this situation could also cause confusion for folks trying to reconnect in the future. And let’s not forget the whole issue about Mark Zuckerberg (the lawyer) being banned from Facebook because he has the same name as Facebook’s creator. What is your take on this issue? Should Facebook users be forced to use their real names?

 

 

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/...ebook-end-anonymity/

 

 

 Which is all very well (as well as not being anything new - dunno when that statement was made) except Mark Zuckerberg's bloody dog has got an account.  Whilst technically I suppose it is under a real name it is hardly in keeping with restricting accounts to identifiable persons, is it?

 

He's a hypocritical twat.  I told him so as well.  He's still not got back to me. 

stonks

 

I read this article about Google+ on the BBC last night and thought about this thread......

 

 

BBC article on using real names

 

This bit was interesting....

 

And some see being made to use your real name as the antidote to the unpleasantness that happens on forums.

 

The theory goes that when people are using their real names online, they are more likely to act responsibly and engage honestly with the community.

 

"There is an issue of trolls," says Benjamin Cohen, Channel 4 News' technology correspondent.



Ducky
Originally Posted by Orion:
 

 Which is all very well (as well as not being anything new - dunno when that statement was made) except Mark Zuckerberg's bloody dog has got an account.  Whilst technically I suppose it is under a real name it is hardly in keeping with restricting accounts to identifiable persons, is it?

 

He's a hypocritical twat.  I told him so as well.  He's still not got back to me. 

Orion his dog has a profile page for people to like and comment on but his dog doesn't have an 'account'  believe me I was about to tackle him about it a few months ago when FB started to delete doggy accounts - even Eccles from Coronation Street had her account blocked because she is a dog not a 'real' person.  Quite a number of doggy accounts were culled a few months ago because they are not real people and don't meet the terms and conditions of an FB account   it's just a bunch of dog lovers sharing their enjoyment of dogs and certain breeds of dogs!!   I'm sure talking about what dog food and the latest babble balls dog owners use is really breaching FB rules!

 

I had to backtrack when someone pointed out his dog had a profile page not an account - I was looking forward to telling him what I thought about his double standards.   spoilt my year that did 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:

 

There will be arguments from some celebs that their children will need anonymity but if they are under 18 they shouldn't have accounts in the first place. And at 18 if they don't know how to block or keep their account secure they shouldn't be let loose on the site in the first place!  Does FB police this properly????  There are rumours that they now want to open FB up to children from the age of 13.  Obviously there is the risk that more children will be targeted.  How many times do we read in the papers or hear on the news how some young girl/boy has been groomed via FB because the person they accepted as a friend turned out to be an old man/woman and not the 15 year old boy they thought they were chatting to???

 

 

I am under the impression that you can join facebook from 13 yrs old.    My boy has an account (he is 13)..    all his school friends are on it.  

 

My daughter started on MySpace at 11, then Bebo at 12, then eventually (& reluctantly) moved over the the old wrinkly world of Facebook 

 

 

In terms of online grooming..    I think most kids are fairly clued up about all now..  it been added to, & even in some respects taken over from the old "never talk to strangers", "don't go anywhere with strangers"  Charly says ....     thing.     (cue Prodigy) 

 

More awareness by some parents wouldn't go a miss..     we're at a point still where some children are way more internet savvy than their parents, and that (imo) is quite a dangerous situation.    When the girl was younger, & now with the boy we have some basic rules..    computer screen visable to most of the room (so a discreet fly by in the background by the parent is possible)..    any rushed closing or minimising of windows when there is a POS (kid talk for Parent over shoulder!!) will result in loss of internet indefinitely.    All logins & passwords must be known by the parent, and full audit of all accounts should be accepted.

 

 

 

All in all I feel that facebook is one of the safer places for teens on the net..   a hell of a lot safer than Youtube (have you seen some of the convo's on Youtube...   I've banned my boy from commenting on youtube)..    or the masses of forums & stuff out there.

Dirtyprettygirlthing
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
 

 

 

 

 

More awareness by some parents wouldn't go a miss..     we're at a point still where some children are way more internet savvy than their parents, and that (imo) is quite a dangerous situation.    

 

 

 

All in all I feel that facebook is one of the safer places for teens on the net..   a hell of a lot safer than Youtube (have you seen some of the convo's on Youtube...   I've banned my boy from commenting on youtube)..    or the masses of forums & stuff out there.

I would definitely agree with this Ditty     could have sworn you had to be 18 to be on FB - oh well as you say, it's really up to parents to police their children a little better as well.

 

I've only ever played music videos on Youtube *feels very old and wrinkly* 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
 

 

 

 

 

More awareness by some parents wouldn't go a miss..     we're at a point still where some children are way more internet savvy than their parents, and that (imo) is quite a dangerous situation.    

 

 

 

All in all I feel that facebook is one of the safer places for teens on the net..   a hell of a lot safer than Youtube (have you seen some of the convo's on Youtube...   I've banned my boy from commenting on youtube)..    or the masses of forums & stuff out there.

I would definitely agree with this Ditty     could have sworn you had to be 18 to be on FB - oh well as you say, it's really up to parents to police their children a little better as well.

 

I've only ever played music videos on Youtube *feels very old and wrinkly* 

just looked you're right it is 13 

FM

yeah..  I knew it was, cos the boy was nagging for an account when he was 12,  and argued that all his friends had accounts (they did as well)..   and they had just lied about the DOB.

 

We compromised 6 months before his 13th bday..    and let him use our 'hairy'  account, but just for playing games.

 

TBH where my boy is concerned its not so much his safety that was in question..  it was the safety of others once he was unleashed on the world.  (the lego forum bopping & the shenanigans that we found out about on a soccer forum he signed up to have never been forgotten )

Dirtyprettygirlthing
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

 

 

TBH where my boy is concerned its not so much his safety that was in question..  it was the safety of others once he was unleashed on the world.  (the lego forum bopping & the shenanigans that we found out about on a soccer forum he signed up to have never been forgotten )

FM

The trouble is there is a difference between annonimity and personal protection.  I like my Forum ID but I don't mind registering with my real name, but would prefer an option, as in the DOB where you can choose if it is displayed or not.  

 

There are also times when I wish I had a separate account for my RL and my online life.  For example when you meet someone in RL they don't automatically have all your personal details, like your DOB, marital status, family tree, you take time to get to know people.  And that is how it is in Forums and Social media too, but FB is now forcing people to put their knickers on the line so to speak for all the world to see.

 

I'd rather keep to myself whether I wearing I'm wearing my Bridget Jones' or the g-string.

 

If it is an issue of being traceable in the event you are trolling, behaving criminally or the such like, then they can still take traceable info and still let you retain some privacy publicly.  

 

I worked for a bank for many years and so I am absolutely paranoid about what info is visible which could be used either against me, or to steal my identity.  

vanaheim

My son is 15 and on FB he does'nt realise it but I have his loggin so I check now and again cos he was having some right trouble off a little shoite..I was checking his settings one day to make sure his privacy was high and noticed he'd added that *let friends see my friends wall post except (insert my name)*....I did'nt even know you could do that..so I kept quiet and just sneak in and check....

stonks

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