Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Team thing I understand, by why then did Bottas think they were going to change back? If a re-swap wasn't part of the strategy plan then why the radio message saying they weren't re-swapping and that they'd talk later and explain? That (to me) sounds very much like a change of plan that HADN'T been part of the original discussion!
Possibly was, but it all plays out within the race, other teams make changes too 
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Team thing I understand, by why then did Bottas think they were going to change back? If a re-swap wasn't part of the strategy plan then why the radio message saying they weren't re-swapping and that they'd talk later and explain? That (to me) sounds very much like a change of plan that HADN'T been part of the original discussion!
Toto Wolfe explains in detail on the BBC F1 website, Due to the pit mix up which Wolfe takes full responsibility for, Lewis ended up behind Vettel and blistered his tyre getting passed him. Vettel said himself that Mercedes made the right call!
Why would a team give back first place to a driver that had no hope of winning the championship to the driver that was on the brink of securing another world title for Mercedes ? It makes perfect sense to me and like I said, if any other team in the same position did it I would have certainly accepted it...I doubt very much if Lewis wanted to win that way, in fact he's said he feels awful about it.
As for Bottas, he needs to get his finger out... lets be honest he has been disappointment I had great hopes for him at the beginning, shame he's not taken advantage of being in one of the best cars in F1, in fact I am at a loss as to why they have kept him on personally.
They race for the team - they are paid by the team - and contracted to that team.
They get paid big bucks by the team and can be released by the team.
What an individual driver wants comes second every time unless you're a current world champion or a really big cheese âĶ until then you are told what to do.
Sounds pretty simple
Being a dispensable multi millionaire sounds ok to me
Dame_Ann_Average posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Team thing I understand, by why then did Bottas think they were going to change back? If a re-swap wasn't part of the strategy plan then why the radio message saying they weren't re-swapping and that they'd talk later and explain? That (to me) sounds very much like a change of plan that HADN'T been part of the original discussion!
Toto Wolfe explains in detail on the BBC F1 website, Due to the pit mix up which Wolfe takes full responsibility for, Lewis ended up behind Vettel and blistered his tyre getting passed him. Vettel said himself that Mercedes made the right call!
Why would a team give back first place to a driver that had no hope of winning the championship to the driver that was on the brink of securing another world title for Mercedes ? It makes perfect sense to me and like I said, if any other team in the same position did it I would have certainly accepted it...I doubt very much if Lewis wanted to win that way, in fact he's said he feels awful about it.
As for Bottas, he needs to get his finger out... lets be honest he has been disappointment
Well, you canât do much more than being in the lead and then being demoted to second place not by a crash or being overtaken but by your own teams orders, Dameee...
Moonie posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Team thing I understand, by why then did Bottas think they were going to change back? If a re-swap wasn't part of the strategy plan then why the radio message saying they weren't re-swapping and that they'd talk later and explain? That (to me) sounds very much like a change of plan that HADN'T been part of the original discussion!
Toto Wolfe explains in detail on the BBC F1 website, Due to the pit mix up which Wolfe takes full responsibility for, Lewis ended up behind Vettel and blistered his tyre getting passed him. Vettel said himself that Mercedes made the right call!
Why would a team give back first place to a driver that had no hope of winning the championship to the driver that was on the brink of securing another world title for Mercedes ? It makes perfect sense to me and like I said, if any other team in the same position did it I would have certainly accepted it...I doubt very much if Lewis wanted to win that way, in fact he's said he feels awful about it.
As for Bottas, he needs to get his finger out... lets be honest he has been disappointment
Well, you canât do much more than being in the lead and then being demoted to second place not by a crash or being overtaken but by your own teams orders, Dameee...
But he's not in the running for the championship. If it was the other way round and Bottas was leading the championship I'm sure Lewis would've moved over for him
Sprout posted:Moonie posted:Dame_Ann_Average posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Team thing I understand, by why then did Bottas think they were going to change back? If a re-swap wasn't part of the strategy plan then why the radio message saying they weren't re-swapping and that they'd talk later and explain? That (to me) sounds very much like a change of plan that HADN'T been part of the original discussion!
Toto Wolfe explains in detail on the BBC F1 website, Due to the pit mix up which Wolfe takes full responsibility for, Lewis ended up behind Vettel and blistered his tyre getting passed him. Vettel said himself that Mercedes made the right call!
Why would a team give back first place to a driver that had no hope of winning the championship to the driver that was on the brink of securing another world title for Mercedes ? It makes perfect sense to me and like I said, if any other team in the same position did it I would have certainly accepted it...I doubt very much if Lewis wanted to win that way, in fact he's said he feels awful about it.
As for Bottas, he needs to get his finger out... lets be honest he has been disappointment
Well, you canât do much more than being in the lead and then being demoted to second place not by a crash or being overtaken but by your own teams orders, Dameee...
But he's not in the running for the championship. If it was the other way round and Bottas was leading the championship I'm sure Lewis would've moved over for him
Bottas didnât move over though. He was told to by the team boss or whoever it was told him too...
Moonie posted:Sprout posted:But he's not in the running for the championship. If it was the other way round and Bottas was leading the championship I'm sure Lewis would've moved over for him
Bottas didnât move over though. He was told to by the team boss or whoever it was told him too...
And it was all explained to him.....
Sprout posted:Moonie posted:Sprout posted:But he's not in the running for the championship. If it was the other way round and Bottas was leading the championship I'm sure Lewis would've moved over for him
Bottas didnât move over though. He was told to by the team boss or whoever it was told him too...
And it was all explained to him.....
Well, I still donât think itâs right no matter how itâs put but that only my opinion which I intend to stick by
Saint posted:They race for the team - they are paid by the team - and contracted to that team.
They get paid big bucks by the team and can be released by the team.
What an individual driver wants comes second every time unless you're a current world champion or a really big cheese âĶ until then you are told what to do.
Sounds pretty simple
Being a dispensable multi millionaire sounds ok to me
take a bow Renton 
Moonie posted:Well, I still donât think itâs right no matter how itâs put but that only my opinion which I intend to stick by
No one is defending the tactics Moonie, but they tried to ban it a few years ago and it didn't work and we all wish none of them used it What we are saying is Mercedes only did what most other teams would done in similar circumstances...by the way, Ferrari have been the most prolific users of team orders over the years than any other team.
Irvine would have won it in 99 if he hadn't to move over for Schumi and I remember the race. He retired loaded.
All F1 heritage is gone. Drivers were fearless in those days. They smoked Marlborough in the pits - not advertising pre-madonnas with printed watches on their gloves.
Dame, Fluffs, Sprout, Moons and Sainty
Velvet
Yep...Schumacher benefited from it quite a lot, especially driving for Ferrari...there is no way around it, they tried but couldn't stop it and doubt they ever will be able to find a way to be honest.
Don't give them a tactic button and ban all driver radio comms
velvet donkey posted:Don't give them a tactic button and ban all driver radio comms
That's dangerous. They've tried it before. A driver needs to know that his car's in good shape
Sprout posted:velvet donkey posted:Don't give them a tactic button and ban all driver radio comms
That's dangerous. They've tried it before. A driver needs to know that his car's in good shape
No it's not. How did Fangio, Moss, Clark, Hill, Stewart, Prost, Senna do it?
velvet donkey posted:Don't give them a tactic button and ban all driver radio comms
You mean Jenson Button shouting instructions?? 
velvet donkey posted:Don't give them a tactic button and ban all driver radio comms
when they banned it Velvet, they prearranged it before races...even removing a seal off a battery to get a driver a five second penalty to move him down the grid. FI bosses conceded it couldn't be policed and enforced 
My greatest driver of ALL time is Moss in the Mille Miglia
Japan qualifying live on channel4.
Grid is a bit mixed up, except at the top, which is pretty much as expected!
Live on channel 4 for the USA GP. Qualifying programme starts about 8:30 pm Saturday.
KIMI WINS USA Grand Prix !!!!
Could not be happier - well done Kimi !!!!
Unfortunately that's being eclipsed by the Driver's championship race!
Haven't checked this one out yet!
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Haven't checked this one out yet!
Qualifying HIGHLIGHTS programme starts at 10 pm Saturday........and race highlights programme starts at 11 pm Sunday.
So so gutted for Ricci 
Was that a spoiler about something that C4 hasn't shown yet?
Remember that this thread is only for the airing on C4.
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Was that a spoiler about something that C4 hasn't shown yet?
Remember that this thread is only for the airing on C4.
I typed so so gutted for Ricciardo, without the ardo? I don't understand what wouldn't show up
I blanked it out, for the moment, as it seemed to me it was referring to the race - which hasn't been shown yet. We, well I, don't want to know ANYTHING about the race before C4 show it. I know you didn't give any details, but just that indication of something and about whom, rather puts a damper on things, IMO.
Hi Roxan, once upon a time it did say that, as the years rolled by we've probably got a bit blasÃĐ and assumed that everyone knows that now - will add it again. 
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I blanked it out, for the moment, as it seemed to me it was referring to the race - which hasn't been shown yet. We, well I, don't want to know ANYTHING about the race before C4 show it. I know you didn't give any details, but just that indication of something and about whom, rather puts a damper on things, IMO.
So maybe we not have a thread then if no one can talk about it? Surely those that don't want to know can avoid that thread?
And anyway.....it makes no odds cos next year there is no live coverage on C4 (not sure about R5Live) except for the British Grand Prix
Sprout posted:So maybe we not have a thread then if no one can talk about it? Surely those that don't want to know can avoid that thread?
And anyway.....it makes no odds cos next year there is no live coverage on C4 (not sure about R5Live) except for the British Grand Prix
this is exactly why I don't post in here now...surely anyone interested in F1 will know the results by now
Roxan posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I blanked it out, for the moment, as it seemed to me it was referring to the race - which hasn't been shown yet. We, well I, don't want to know ANYTHING about the race before C4 show it. I know you didn't give any details, but just that indication of something and about whom, rather puts a damper on things, IMO.
Can I suggest you put that in the thread title? I nearly posted I am not in the uk (but will be soon yippeeeee ð) and have no idea when the race is aired.
Some races C4 show live, but others they can show only highlights. I usually post those details in advance.
Next year all the races will be highlights only on C4, with the exception of the GB race which they can show live and as we don't get much in the way of comments/discussions in here any more, I'm not sure if I'll continue........I'll think about it over the winter! 
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Roxan posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I blanked it out, for the moment, as it seemed to me it was referring to the race - which hasn't been shown yet. We, well I, don't want to know ANYTHING about the race before C4 show it. I know you didn't give any details, but just that indication of something and about whom, rather puts a damper on things, IMO.
Can I suggest you put that in the thread title? I nearly posted I am not in the uk (but will be soon yippeeeee ð) and have no idea when the race is aired.
Some races C4 show live, but others they can show only highlights. I usually post those details in advance.
I still say yet, those that don't want to know anything can avoid this thread
Sprout posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Roxan posted:Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I blanked it out, for the moment, as it seemed to me it was referring to the race - which hasn't been shown yet. We, well I, don't want to know ANYTHING about the race before C4 show it. I know you didn't give any details, but just that indication of something and about whom, rather puts a damper on things, IMO.
Can I suggest you put that in the thread title? I nearly posted I am not in the uk (but will be soon yippeeeee ð) and have no idea when the race is aired.
Some races C4 show live, but others they can show only highlights. I usually post those details in advance.
I still say yet, those that don't want to know anything can avoid this thread
Or resurrect the thread that we had for that! 
Dear oh dear 
Why not just chat about the race as it's being run on Ch4?
Whether highlights or live
. . . and relax
Saint posted:Dear oh dear
Why not just chat about the race as it's being run on Ch4?
Whether highlights or live
. . . and relax
That was the original idea of this thread (and its previous incarnations), but gradually peeps stopped using it much. I still kept posting the times of it airing on C4, as I know there are some who won't or can't watch Sky.
I promise to chat more during the races in future if I can
Don't worry about the amount of chatting you can manage. I often get too engrossed or have to pop in and out of the room. So my chatting can get a bit erratic!
