Was Kyvatt at fault there?
Is this going to be a genius move by Mercedes with Hamiltons tyre change?
Exciting and interesting.
Probably not as bad a result for Hamilton as one would have expected given all his issues and 47 pit stops today.
Red Bull, are they creeping back into contention as a competitive outfit?
Not quite the race I'd hoped for but not too bad considering.
Oooooh go for it Vettel - you tell Kyvatt (who should have been banned)
Good race for Red Bull - hoping this is the start of a come back
Disappointed for Grosjean and Kimmi - no luck today
Sour grapes from Vettel, IMO. I'm usually on Vettel's side, but today I'm with Kvyat.
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Sour grapes from Vettel, IMO. I'm usually on Vettel's side, but today I'm with Kvyat.
Yes, I think he probably went a bit overboard. Kvyatt seemed to handle it quite well. Vettel is getting a bit of a rep for blowing off then calming down later and realising he may have been a bit OTT.
Still, good telly.
Russia this weekend. Qualifying's not until 5:30 pm 0n channel 4.
Well. that was a bit...........unexpected.
.
Here we go 
C'mon Kimmi !!!
A solid 3rd for Kimmi
Naughty Kyvatt was entertaining as usual. Vettel aint having any luck - a bit like Hammy.
Wish Ch4 didn't have the rights to F1 - it's rubbish
Well I did not expect that from Russia!
- Loved Vettel's four letter outburst in the car, I think we were left in no doubt how he felt. Although it would seem that after the race he admitted to lifting off as he thought he had a puncture.
- Lewis is not getting any luck at the moment and it's starting to show in his body language. Still he did quite well to get to 2nd, so should feel a little better.
- Pleased for MaClaren picking up points and looking like they have made a step forward (6 years and they will be challenging up front).
- Also please that the Williams team picked up some solid points.
- Still hate Steve Jones - consummate tosser.
Kimmi looks like Sir Walter Scott !!
Max Verstappen replaces Daniil Kvyat at Red Bull for rest of season
I think they pulled the trigger on that one a little too quickly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36206848
I agree EC. Knee-jerk reaction. There'll be some red faces in that camp before long, I reckon.
My cousin is out there at the Spanish GP.
Lucky bu***r 
Not long to go until lights out. I wonder what kind of race we will get. With Vestappen up there looking racey it could be a very interesting top 6 battle.
I'm sounding like a broken record, but I hate Jones and his pseudo enthusiasm. He really grinds my gears. 
I haven't minded him too much so far, but there was something yesterday that was a bit off. Can't remember what, though. I think his accent doesn't help!
WTF !!!!!!!
WOW !!! Hammy went for a space that wasn't there
Saint posted:WOW !!! Hammy went for a space that wasn't there
Not according to Karoun. Looks to me like Rosberg switched direction and closed him out. Plus the commentator just said "one car width rule".
We will see what comes out of it.
Looking for Vestappen to have a good race and like to see Daniel get a race win.
Did Rosberg not keep to the racing line?
Nikki Lauder has said,
"It was a miscalculation in Lewis's head, I blame him more than Nico.
"But for the team and for Mercedes it is unacceptable.
"Lewis was too aggressive to pass him and why should Nico give him room? He was in the lead.
"It is completely unnecessary and for me the disaster is that all Mercedes are out after two corners."
GO FERRARI
Going for a space??
GO Kvyatt
Great race all round
El Loro posted:This could be the start of a new era in F1
As good as it was for Max to take the win and he drove very, very, well I still think it was one of those one off's. We will see it as Merc, Ferrari and then Red Bull IMO. However it does mean that if Max can carry on challenging it may make future races less predictable. I'll stick my neck out and say that he won't win again this year, but he make get a podium.
Proper history made today.
Saint posted:
Going for a space??
Yes, and hearing the info coming out it seems that Nico lost some power opening up an opportunity for Lewis to take a tight inside line, the picture shows a car width until Nico closes in, Lewis goes to grass and as such he inevitably loses any control of the car.
Would seem that as more info comes out it is less easy to apportion blame. I don't think it will do the team any good stewing over this. Call it a racing incident and move on.
At least Mercedes let their team members race unlike Ferrari.
Hammy would have closed that gap if he'd been in the lead
AND he could easily have backed off by breaking but went to the grass - his choice there IMO
Racing incident
Ch4 we don't want a pop video at the end
That was a great race. 
Or a great drama! Suddenly the drivers provide the excitement rather than the fasted pit stop, tyre choice, team orders etc etc. 
And well done Max, even though you were driving a pseudo-ferrari. 
velvet donkey posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:El Loro posted:This could be the start of a new era in F1
As good as it was for Max to take the win and he drove very, very, well I still think it was one of those one off's. We will see it as Merc, Ferrari and then Red Bull IMO. However it does mean that if Max can carry on challenging it may make future races less predictable. I'll stick my neck out and say that he won't win again this year, but he make get a podium.
Proper history made today.
El may be alluding to the talent. At 18 his future is very very bright.
Yes, I'm definitely not disputing the potential, he's already proved at Torro Rosso he is a talent in a lesser car. I just get the feeling he may have to wait a year or two. Red Bull may need to put something under him that is more consistently competitive with the Ferrari's.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 5 or 6 races.
Roll on Monaco - right up my street
Does he not live in Monaco Drive, Jesmond? 
Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Does he not live in Monaco Drive, Jesmond?
Do you see what she did there 
Moonie posted:Saint posted:Roll on Monaco - right up my street
Do you live in Monaco???
Are you a tax exile??
I'm planning to berth a yacht off the Amalfi coast and waste my time sailing it around the coast of Italy
Golden boy Verstaffen ver-stuffs it into the barrier and the 'future of F1' aint so certain after all.
Kyvatt must be laughing tears into his high energy drink
Me and my big mouth
Verstuffen !!!!
Saint posted:Me and my big mouth
Ricci-its-'ard-oh-what a shame
See what I . . . never mind 
I like him
I really like Riccardo too
Like Grosjean, Hulkenberg, Kimmi (of course) and Button
I thought C4 are having a laugh with the Canada highlight times, then thought....given the time differences and what time the race is run
Mind you, they could've covered it live 
I've flown over Montreal - in fact I've been in Mirabel airport and saw a lush teddy bear . . . but the place was closed as it was night time 
The thoughts of comrade EC on F1 on C4, Sunday.
- Verstappen! From hero to zero, that's zero points.
- How much more bad luck can Lewis get this season? At first I thought he was not going to put a lap in on Q3.
- The rain was a blessing for the most expensive 'train' on the race calendar. If it were not for tradition this track should be wiped from the race calendar.
- What was Rosberg doing, he seemed almost disinterested in the race after the first few laps.
- Really enjoyed some of the comings together and the radio transmissions. I'm looking at you Nasr.
- What the hell was that prat Beebler doing so close the the podium.
- I feel a bit for Daniel R as he had a cracking pole and looked very racey but let down by the team again. Red Bull need to do some work there as he was mightily peed off.
- Great that Lewis got the win and closed the gap, we might see a bit of a battle now, hopefully if Mercedes put both Lewis and Rosberg in working cars and Daniel R continues to show that competitive edge.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
The thoughts of comrade EC on F1 on C4, Sunday.
- Verstappen! From hero to zero, that's zero points.
- How much more bad luck can Lewis get this season? At first I thought he was not going to put a lap in on Q3.
- The rain was a blessing for the most expensive 'train' on the race calendar. If it were not for tradition this track should be wiped from the race calendar.
- What was Rosberg doing, he seemed almost disinterested in the race after the first few laps.
- Really enjoyed some of the comings together and the radio transmissions. I'm looking at you Nasr.
- What the hell was that prat Beebler doing so close the the podium.
- I feel a bit for Daniel R as he had a cracking pole and looked very racey but let down by the team again. Red Bull need to do some work there as he was mightily peed off.
- Great that Lewis got the win and closed the gap, we might see a bit of a battle now, hopefully if Mercedes put both Lewis and Rosberg in working cars and Daniel R continues to show that competitive edge.
I have had chance to reflect on the race and although I still don't like it as a race, it was better than usual. For me they need to do something to make more overtaking opportunities in future. I know where but can't remember the name of the schican.
Canada Qualifying.
Claire Williams getting an OBE.
Although I'm not a big fan of these types of honours, well done Claire for the recognition.
I've just turned over. Not happy on the time it's on, but given where it is and the time difference......
They could've showed it live but I guess it would've clashed with the footie
Sprout posted:I've just turned over. Not happy on the time it's on, but given where it is and the time difference......
They could've showed it live but I guess it would've clashed with the footie
Also Channel 4 don't have this as one of their live races. Difficult with timing and Football as you say. I kinda wished it was later, I would then record and go to bed watching it next morning.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:I've just turned over. Not happy on the time it's on, but given where it is and the time difference......
They could've showed it live but I guess it would've clashed with the footie
Also Channel 4 don't have this as one of their live races. Difficult with timing and Football as you say. I kinda wished it was later, I would then record and go to bed watching it next morning.
They should've moved Monaco forward
Q1
I quite like this, the three cars jostling for position
Hariyanto losing bits of car!
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Hariyanto losing bits of car!
I missed that!
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Hariyanto losing bits of car!
I missed that!
It was quite early on in the session.
...and speaking of the driver he thumps the wall and is out of the session.
Palmer's better than where he is, I think 
Sprout posted:Palmer's better than where he is, I think
Sounds like Renault just don't have the car sorted.
Hard lines Joleon. 15 thousandths 
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Palmer's better than where he is, I think
Sounds like Renault just don't have the car sorted.
See, if everyone was in the same car it might make a difference 
Another car in the wall
Awww, inches Carlos
At least he lives to fight another day
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Palmer's better than where he is, I think
Sounds like Renault just don't have the car sorted.
See, if everyone was in the same car it might make a difference
I think it would be minimal as you can see how difficult it is for team members to pass each other during the race. Verstappen is a good case in point, he is a good driver and can take calculated risks, if we had more of that we might have more of a shakeup.
Hoping for a good Williams race as their car is suited to the fast track... or has been in the past.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Palmer's better than where he is, I think
Sounds like Renault just don't have the car sorted.
See, if everyone was in the same car it might make a difference
I think it would be minimal as you can see how difficult it is for team members to pass each other during the race. Verstappen is a good case in point, he is a good driver and can take calculated risks, if we had more of that we might have more of a shakeup.
Really? you don't see that if the Merc was downgraded to maybe a Williams spec or a Haas upgraded to a Ferrari spec, that it wouldn't shake things up?
Red Bulls looking pacey again.
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Palmer's better than where he is, I think
Sounds like Renault just don't have the car sorted.
See, if everyone was in the same car it might make a difference
I think it would be minimal as you can see how difficult it is for team members to pass each other during the race. Verstappen is a good case in point, he is a good driver and can take calculated risks, if we had more of that we might have more of a shakeup.
Really? you don't see that if the Merc was downgraded to maybe a Williams spec or a Haas upgraded to a Ferrari spec, that it wouldn't shake things up?
No, I think it would neutralise a lot and it may become mostly processional. But it's all hypothetical, however I would like to see it happen as an experiment though.
The mid field could be interesting tomorrow especially if the Ferrari's finish up somewhere 6-9 places.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Really? you don't see that if the Merc was downgraded to maybe a Williams spec or a Haas upgraded to a Ferrari spec, that it wouldn't shake things up?
No, I think it would neutralise a lot and it may become mostly processional. But it's all hypothetical, however I would like to see it happen as an experiment though.
That's my point....if they all were on the same spec of car than maybe we would find out those drivers who were able to cut it
McLaren in Q3
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Really? you don't see that if the Merc was downgraded to maybe a Williams spec or a Haas upgraded to a Ferrari spec, that it wouldn't shake things up?
No, I think it would neutralise a lot and it may become mostly processional. But it's all hypothetical, however I would like to see it happen as an experiment though.
That's my point....if they all were on the same spec of car than maybe we would find out those drivers who were able to cut it
I think the reasons people like Lewis are in top cars is that they have proven they are excellent drivers. Alonso is the exception as he made a move that failed in terms of a competitive car.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
McLaren in Q3
Here we go...
That could be a fun battle Red Bull / Ferrari and Williams.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Really? you don't see that if the Merc was downgraded to maybe a Williams spec or a Haas upgraded to a Ferrari spec, that it wouldn't shake things up?
No, I think it would neutralise a lot and it may become mostly processional. But it's all hypothetical, however I would like to see it happen as an experiment though.
That's my point....if they all were on the same spec of car than maybe we would find out those drivers who were able to cut it
I think the reasons people like Lewis are in top cars is that they have proven they are excellent drivers. Alonso is the exception as he made a move that failed in terms of a competitive car.
So you don't think Button's a good driver then?
If he had the same car as everyone else, he'd be just fine
Lewis, you plank
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Lewis, you plank
Just shows.....the best can make mistakes
Lewis 1:12:812 Good time dude.
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Lewis, you plank
Just shows.....the best can make mistakes
Yes, and look at the time he put in.
Vettel kisses the wall. Great stuff.
Great radio conversation from Vettel.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Lewis, you plank
Just shows.....the best can make mistakes
Yes, and look at the time he put in.
Because of the car.....
Come on Ricciardo - I want him to do well after last week.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Come on Ricciardo - I want him to do well after last week.
Me too, but like I say.....if he was in the same spec car......
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Lewis, you plank
Just shows.....the best can make mistakes
Yes, and look at the time he put in.
Because of the car.....
But look at Red Bull, release Kyvatt and put in Verstappen who wins the race in the same car.
Sprout posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:
Come on Ricciardo - I want him to do well after last week.
Me too, but like I say.....if he was in the same spec car......
OK. I'm going to bail on this convo as I think we have slightly differing views and it's getting late for me to work my brain too much.