Haha! go you Ditty! 

Funny you should say that...  

 

She had been the Directorate Manager for Surgery..    a key position in a hospital trust.  However, she hadn't had the balls to manage the surgeons...  so had been moved over to become Special Projects Manager.     I had been PA to the DIrectorate Manager she had turned to when she was getting stitched up..   so I knew all about what had happened to her.

 

As I said...  I then had to wonder why she gave me the job..    apparently HR had insisted..  I was by far the best qualified person and most experienced person that applied..   she had no choice.

Blimey! it's amazing the amount (going by this thread) that's going on or has actually gone on! 

I'm quite interested in the ways people distinguish between management and HR! Many years ago, when I started work, we had management and the personel dept. The latter looked after the workers interests, advised on pensions and such. Fast forward thirty years and the newly termed HR dept had taken over! Increasingly influential arseholes ruling the roost over weak n hopeless line managers.

You're right Garage Joe, despite what people think, unions often still have the power to put the wind up management and HR depts when it comes to discipline.  In my experience, so many HR departments, managers, team leaders etc really push their luck when it comes to discipline and I'm sure they know it. 

 

As you say, don't expect colleagues to back you up, There's a whole load of reasons why colleagues won't stick their necks out.  Those who will are few and far between.

Yep Joe   HR is only a title 

yeah...   but I have seen the dodgy deals that go on between management & HR when dealing with staff.    I have witnessed dates being changed on correspondance...   I have witnessed Unison reps talking with management behind the staff members back....

 

maybe I was just really unlucky....   but its soured me on large organisations.   mine was public sector..     but my ex sister in law has had similar experiences working for Oracle...  and she was in HR!!!!

There were three incidents where colleagues of mine were intimidated in front of others. The third time I realised that it was all up to me.

^^^ what I was trying to say but in a much tidier manner without all the rambling!  

If Nick Clegg had a proper job, his proper job would be in HR.

 

Indeed, HR departments are the touchy feely side to companies, at least it appears so, superficially.  In my experience, they're at the beck and call of senior management and will sit on allegations if the allegations are against an (to use an Americanism) MVP.  Just watch them jump all over minor indiscretions if it's someone who management want out.

I worked in the Offices at a Supermarket for over 6 years...never had a day off sick, never late...perfect timekeeper...then SHE came along, she'd been drafted in from another Store and came in as Supervisor....nice bubbly 'mature' lady on the outside, or so i thought....

 

...she hated me, she'd pull me off a job when I was half way through it which I hated as i always finished what I started, then, when the Manager asked why the job wasn't finished she'd roll her eyes at me and let me get a bollocking.....this went on for a long time...I still have no idea why....even my Friends at work were beginning to get fed up of me and thought I was imagining things as she was so nice around others....oh, and when it came to her having to do my Appraisal (which I think she volunteered to do), she ticked the line for Timekeeping and Attendance...because "there's always room for improvement" she said....how can you improve on 6 and a half years of no lates, no sick days etc???? Bitch...I was at breaking point...

 

SHE eventually went down to work in the Cash Office (phew), guess what...she started it with another girl, ground her down too.....I have to say that my manager and others did apologise to me for not believing me at the time, but the damage was done..i left and never looked back....best thing I ever did, just wish I'd done it sooner.....

Mr Ditty represented himself at an industrial tribunal for constructive dismissal.     He won!   but the company had put itself into receivership...  so he never got a penny.

 

the three twats responsible for it all soon started up another company...  

 

once again...   you end up feeling unsatisfied with the outcome

Oh... I hear ya!!!! 

 

My blood is boiling thinking about the craggy faced old bat!!!! x

Another trick is the old "We've had complaints" but they won't specify where the complaints originated (they may not even exist) or perhaps an everyday minor disagreement is escalated well beyond it's significance as evidence of not being able to get on with people and volatility.  I'm talking about incidents that wouldn't be given a second thought otherwise.

Oh! flippin eck Ditty! 

That's it though isn't it?   It doesn't matter how much time passes.... as soon as you think about it the emotion is still there..   the anger! 

 

Recently when I had to apply for this job I now have...    doing my CV literally sent me into panic attack mode!   MrD had to write it for me...   it just took me right back to it all.

 

Job done now though...     I am in a job...  I will have a most recent employer reference now when I decide to move on...    .. 

Well done DID's!  I also worked in the offices of a supermarket for 30 years. Let's just say it was the only 'Safeway' to shop and now there's 'More Reasons' to shop there.....oh yeah..........more years service (me and others) that they've been around and yet they made me and others redundant      That's by the by though......sorry, I have a grudge against this company. I'll try not to mention it again 

I have kept a diary of events including apparent 'trivial ones'......they all amount to the same thing........BULLYING!

 

Ihave been taking it out on my fella.....What a effing biatch I have been...........I will NEVER forgive the cow I have become......... He keeps telling me to "take it on the chin" cos generally I am a confident strong person.

 

He does not understand....perhaps does'nt want to! To him it will mean that he has to admit and believe what I have been trying to tell him for over 12 months is actually the truth

Would it surprise you if i said i can find no 'More Reasons' to shop at that very place...I loathe to walk into one of their shops since.....

Too right...I still think of her with nothing less than hatred...strong word but true....also, looking back i wonder why i let it go on for so long, i should've gone sooner....I also couldn't forgive some of the people who were supposed to be my friends but wouldn't support me until it was too late....all water under the bridge now....I do still wish her comeuppance on her though!

Jeez...........AND I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE.

 

how effing liberating and empowering.....thanx guys.....

......and a little bit of and and x

That's just it, because you are confident and strong, people can't believe that it is happening to you...but it is....

Keep going Lainy with the diary, if this still hasn't gone away...........it's all ammunition 

you know what ...    my husband & my parents witnessed it all (well...   as in the state I would come home in, what it all did to me)    at the time they were right behind me...   but then over time things have been said & I think there is an element of that going on.

 

I get the feeling that even they doubt me sometimes.   They seem to minimalise it...   or there is an undercurrent of blaming me I pick up on now & then.

 

its a right horrible situation..    you can't really ever win...   there will always be collateral damage.

 

Get the hell out Lainy 

You're not alone :hugs: We need a forum place of work, where we can all work together and play nice, all pink and fluffy and smiley......in an ideal world

 

Yep!! 

I'm off to bed now...all wound up thinking of that HAG....I shall plot my revenge in my sleep...mwah ha ha haaaaaaaaa! Night all

AHA! no, actually it wouldn't. Due to the lack of choice in our town though ( I detest the 'jingle your back pocket' people. There's not a lot of places I can go 

No one ever understands until they've been in that position themselves 

 

I think thats sadly true.   I am sure before I went through it I would have been insisting people in that situation stood up and used the systems in place to bring these bullies down.

 

Now...   I just think - run!  get out as fast as you can! 

DID......i LOVE MY JOB.........i work with young people experiencing mental health problems....and NO-ONE is gonna drive me out. They can gang up all they want .....my spirit has been crushed.....but it is still there......cos ITS MINE! *INSERT INANE LAUGHTER THAT SOUNDS SLIGHTLY UNHINGED*

Some scary stories here. I was one of three women in an all male environment for 2 years and there was quite a lot of harassment. I played along with all the banter and innuendo but it was soul destroying. Having a kid and deciding to do some more studying was my get-out from there, but I was lucky to be in a position where my husband had started to make some real advances in his career ladder.

I really applaud you for that . It's so admirable to see someone who has a passion for their job/vocation. I hope you get things sorted.

Good for you missus x A tip if you want to have more referees on your CV in the future, it doesn't have to be your immediate senior or manager from a former company who gives you a reference if you didn't get along, it can be a colleague who worked with you on a regular basis or another senior person who worked with you (even on an occasional basis), too. If you had clients or other companies to deal with as part of your role they, too are brilliant references to have as they showcase your ability to deal with people (if the job you are looking for requires it).

 

Also, if you have limited work experience or references, character references can be good, too.

 

(I am still working out how to do what I need to be done from earlier, btw. The task is to  pick up my study book and carry on reading about sodding politics I have decided to procrastinate a little more while I ponder the prospect).

 

But to all of you who have either been through or are going through this workplace crap, I know it can feel so isolated because it's difficult to get support from friends and family after a while, but you're not on your own. Keep on fighting for your rights! x

Keep up your spirit lainy.....

 

well...   so long as they don't totally crush you 

 

I loved my job too.    Hence why i stayed in it for so long.    Just don't let them drive you to the brink.  xx

I am doing at the moment. I can joke along with the best of them but there's a line you just don't cross with your boss, but others have. That's what makes me think I'm on my own when it come to backing