Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

I wish the vote was this week. So want this to be over and done with.

The problem is that it's not going to be over and done with.

If the vote is for "Remain", then unless it's by a large margin (which is becoming increasingly unlikely) we're going to get into "neverendum" territory. Farage has already strongly intimated that he'll be pushing for another referendum sooner rather than later.

It will go on for years.

If the vote is for "Leave", then the news for ages is going to be dominated by the fallout: the Tory leadership battle; the exit deal negotiations; the attempts at free trade negotiations; another Scottish independence referendum (based on Scotland staying in the EU); the Budget and other economic repercussions; etc..

It will go on for years.

Still plenty of time to change our minds another half-dozen times or so!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Still plenty of time to change our minds another half-dozen times or so!

My postal vote's been sent in and I ain't changin me mind now....not after a long and thoughtful deliberation 

Osborne has warned that leaving will mean he'll have to SLASH the welfare budget and that AUSTERITY will have to be extended for a further 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised he'll find an excuse to do/try that anyway, regardless of which way we go.

Former defence chief Lord Guthrie has switched sides to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum, saying he is worried by the prospect of "a European army".

In February the ex-chief of the defence staff signed a Downing Street letter calling for the UK to stay in the EU.

But he has told the Telegraph that was "a mistake" and said he believed a vote to Leave "is better for defence".

The government has previously said Britain will "never be part of an EU army".

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Something like that, I think. carries a lot more weight than the histrionic posturing we've been seeing from the politicians and their cronies!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Osborne has warned that leaving will mean he'll have to SLASH the welfare budget and that AUSTERITY will have to be extended for a further 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised he'll find an excuse to do/try that anyway, regardless of which way we go.

Agreed Fluffs 

Eugene's Lair posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

I wish the vote was this week. So want this to be over and done with.

The problem is that it's not going to be over and done with.

 

If the vote is for "Remain", then unless it's by a large margin (which is becoming increasingly unlikely) we're going to get into "neverendum" territory. Farage has already strongly intimated that he'll be pushing for another referendum sooner rather than later.

It will go on for years.

 

If the vote is for "Leave", then the news for ages is going to be dominated by the fallout: the Tory leadership battle; the exit deal negotiations; the attempts at free trade negotiations; another Scottish independence referendum (based on Scotland staying in the EU); the Budget and other economic repercussions; etc..

It will go on for years.

So, what you are saying is that it's a bit like England beating Germany in the final of the 2016 Euros. Germany being unhappy with the result get the match replayed again and again until they win, but then England are unhappy so they get the game replayed until they win and then Germany are unhappy so yet again we get the game replayed and this continues until our sun becomes a red giant destroying planet Earth in the process.

No wonder people are so turned off politics.

Great analogy, EC

I think the saddest thing about it all ....much as in any ordinary election .....is the inability of people to accept that they might have one perfectly valid view , while others see things differently. Personally I get very tired of some of the nastiness I see flung about ....not here per se ....but certainly in other social mediums. There seems an innate inability to debate this  in a civilised manner . 

Baz posted:

I think the saddest thing about it all ....much as in any ordinary election .....is the inability of people to accept that they might have one perfectly valid view , while others see things differently. Personally I get very tired of some of the nastiness I see flung about ....not here per se ....but certainly in other social mediums. There seems an innate inability to debate this  in a civilised manner . 

Very well put Bazzy and also very true  

I agree Baz and Moonie, very sad to see so much nastiness flying about, as you say Baz not necessarily here but in other places..  I know people on both sides have very strong views and feel very passionately about this very important subject.  Mutual respect is very much needed.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Great analogy, EC

Thanks Fluffy. 

I think you can easily guess where my inspiration came from.

I shall be glad when it's all over. Sick of the lies and cr*p that is being thrown about...

If you are an "undecided" how can you make up your mind which way to vote with the tripe that is coming from both side. RIP United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 

Enough said from me on the subject until Friday 

More comedy gold from Kate Hooey describing Europe as dysfunctional!

If she gets her way and leaves, then the subsequent destabilisation and crisis of hegemony, followed by Putin picking off the weaker states at the less fashionable end of the continent will make Europe as dysfunctional as Stockton High Street on market day.

Panic stations !!!!

Can't find my voting card.

You don't need it!

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Panic stations !!!!

 

Can't find my voting card.

 

 

Generally you can still vote without the card.

Garage Joe posted:

You don't need it!

Normally they check it against a sheet. Will proof of ID and address be enough?

Although I've not yet checked my bills box.

One of the issues of "last weeks events" was that immediately after the cold blooded murder of the Yorkshire MP, Britain First went into overdrive denying any link. This was quickly followed by the release of photos of the murderer at Britain First events. Given  that there is a section of outers who call people in favour of remaining, "traitors" and that this piece said "Death to traitors!" in court then that's a good enough link for me.

What a dichotomy that these scum call us all traitors for supporting the so-called undemocratic EC. Then one of there associates murder a democratically elected MP. One would at least expect the Brexit hierarchy to distance themselves from these swivel eyed loons.

To sum up:-

Remain: Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

Leave: Might as well go for the devil you don't know, 'cos it surely can't be any worse than the horror that is the devil you DO know!

In other words.......It's up to you folks!

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Garage Joe posted:

You don't need it!

Normally they check it against a sheet. Will proof of ID and address be enough?

 

Although I've not yet checked my bills box.

On the occasions I have not had my card I just go in and give my name and address - never been asked for anything else.

I've lost/forgotten my polling card, can I still vote?

I can't think of any strong reason. We were always brought up to believe that trade was important. This is an excellent local market. 

We all vote in our representatives. The EC doesn't tell us what to do as such, hence we have borders and various vetoes on EC decisions. 

I'm not keen on Serbia joining mind.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Garage Joe posted:

You don't need it!

Normally they check it against a sheet. Will proof of ID and address be enough?

 

Although I've not yet checked my bills box.

I've never had to show my card - just give my name and address and assuming nobody's stolen my vote, and my name's not been crossed out they've given me the ballot slip.

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

I'm voting remain,I'm a socialist and anything that the cretin that is Farage is for I'm against.Though I hate the Tories too.

Baz posted:

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

Take no notice of polls 

Baz posted:

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

We should have another Wednesday 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Garage Joe posted:

You don't need it!

Normally they check it against a sheet. Will proof of ID and address be enough?

 

Although I've not yet checked my bills box.

never been asked for I.d.walk in give name and address and get handed ballot paper.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Baz posted:

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

 

We should have another Wednesday 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Baz posted:

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

 

We should have another Wednesday 

Good idea, but my mind has been made up from the get go

Baz posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Baz posted:

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

 

We should have another Wednesday 

 

Give me a nudge around Mastercard time.

We should be able to create governments the way we can fantasy football teams.   I'd have Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson on the same team.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Baz posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Baz posted:

If our poll >>>>> is anything to go by it's a draw  

 

We should have another Wednesday 

 

Give me a nudge around Mastercard time.

Ok  

Kaffs posted:

We should be able to create governments the way we can fantasy football teams.   I'd have Sadiq Khan and Ruth Davidson on the same team.

I saw a snippet of Ruth Davidson, first time I've ever agreed with her I think. Mind you, she used their own quotes to hammer home her point  so it was easy for me to agree with her. 

The result of the EU referendum:

Remain 20,127,32x
Leave 20,127,32x

The difference between Remain and Leave is 1 vote.

The future of this country and the impact on the rest of the world rests on that 1 vote.

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

I saw a snippet of Ruth Davidson, first time I've ever agreed with her I think. Mind you, she used their own quotes to hammer home her point  so it was easy for me to agree with her. 

ah yes, but if we use my 'Fantasy Government' plan - we get to set the rules....    Despite her dodgy affiliations - I like her and she's a bloomin' good speaker.

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Moonie posted:

I think a low percentage of people will be persuaded either way by the rubbish regurgitated by either side. 

Most will go with their gut feeling.

Spot on Moonie And the majority of people will only listen to/accept the views of those politicians/ pundits they already agree with ... 'tis human nature ..so the whole * arguments/debates * thing is a bit of a waste of time