THIS illustrates my frustration with the referendum coverage.

I was watching BBC Breakfast and they had on a correspondent who told us that they have been taking a ballot box around the country to gather 'your' questions and this short film of soundbites from the public would present some of them.

NOT ONE of the people on film asked a question, they were all people expressing their opinions on certain subjects, opinions we have heard a thousand time already during this campaign.

Another pointless piece by the BBC, a company which has a remit to educate and inform the public. MASSIVE FAIL BBC.

Saint posted:

I've decided not to vote

Can't trust any of them to tell the truth

On your heads be it    . . . .   while I bury mine in the sand, aherm 

I think most people had/have already made up their minds which way they would/will vote long before all the "claptrap" from the "stay in/brexit" lot started to "state their case" 

As for all the statistics we keep having quoted at us, well there are...

LIes, damned lies and statistics...

How can someone say what the state of the economy can be in 5 years time when they can't even get it right year on year?

That about says it all...

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

THIS illustrates my frustration with the referendum coverage.

 

I was watching BBC Breakfast and they had on a correspondent who told us that they have been taking a ballot box around the country to gather 'your' questions and this short film of soundbites from the public would present some of them.

 

NOT ONE of the people on film asked a question, they were all people expressing their opinions on certain subjects, opinions we have heard a thousand time already during this campaign.

 

Another pointless piece by the BBC, a company which has a remit to educate and inform the public. MASSIVE FAIL BBC.

 

 

 

I'm not sure you can lay the blame for general ignorance at the door of the BBC.

The population in general have never taken an interest in Europe, politics in general, or even pensions. All the important stuff. IMHYCO.

Moonie posted:

I think most people had/have already made up their minds which way they would/will vote long before all the "claptrap" from the "stay in/brexit" lot started to "state their case" 

 

As for all the statistics we keep having quoted at us, well there are...

LIes, damned lies and statistics...

 

How can someone say what the state of the economy can be in 5 years time when they can't even get it right year on year?

 

That about says it all...

Spot on Moonie TBH  I think most people will be voting by instinct ....or will give up in confusion  

Garage Joe posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

THIS illustrates my frustration with the referendum coverage.

 

I was watching BBC Breakfast and they had on a correspondent who told us that they have been taking a ballot box around the country to gather 'your' questions and this short film of soundbites from the public would present some of them.

 

NOT ONE of the people on film asked a question, they were all people expressing their opinions on certain subjects, opinions we have heard a thousand time already during this campaign.

 

Another pointless piece by the BBC, a company which has a remit to educate and inform the public. MASSIVE FAIL BBC.

 

 

 

I'm not sure you can lay the blame for general ignorance at the door of the BBC.

The population in general have never taken an interest in Europe, politics in general, or even pensions. All the important stuff. IMHYCO.

Not general ignorance GJ and I don't think that's what I was implying, just a paucity of information by the BBC that would give us a balanced and broad ranging overview of the important issues.

But I would agree, from the statistics at each election it would seem we have very little interest in politics of any colour, shape or form. The sad thing is that proportionally more people vote in shows like BGT and X-Factor (I may have made that up).  

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

Garage Joe posted:

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

THIS illustrates my frustration with the referendum coverage.

 

I was watching BBC Breakfast and they had on a correspondent who told us that they have been taking a ballot box around the country to gather 'your' questions and this short film of soundbites from the public would present some of them.

 

NOT ONE of the people on film asked a question, they were all people expressing their opinions on certain subjects, opinions we have heard a thousand time already during this campaign.

 

Another pointless piece by the BBC, a company which has a remit to educate and inform the public. MASSIVE FAIL BBC.

 

 

 

I'm not sure you can lay the blame for general ignorance at the door of the BBC.

The population in general have never taken an interest in Europe, politics in general, or even pensions. All the important stuff. IMHYCO.

Not general ignorance GJ and I don't think that's what I was implying, just a paucity of information by the BBC that would give us a balanced and broad ranging overview of the important issues.

 

But I would agree, from the statistics at each election it would seem we have very little interest in politics of any colour, shape or form. The sad thing is that proportionally more people vote in shows like BGT and X-Factor (I may have made that up).  

You put your Serbo-Croats in,

You take your Basque Separatist out,

In - out, In - out,

You shake Independent Unionists all about,

You do the Euro-referendum and you U-turn all around,

That's what it's all about,

Hoy !!

Debate on BBC1 now....How should I vote

You put your Serbo-Croats in,

You take your Basque Separatist out,

In - out, In - out,

You shake Independent Unionists all about,

You do the Euro-referendum and you U-turn all around,

That's what it's all about,

Hoy !!

All these figures being bandied about and no one can come up with the correct one! 

apologies for bad language...don't read if offended by swearie words

That's bang on Kaff's, I've been saying it for the last 7/8 years, quite obvious they were using the politics of fear... Just bought the book actually 

velvet donkey posted:

Dame they can sack you on a whim now     

 

And the redundancy pay is crap. Europe disnae come into it.

I know Velvet and then employ someone on zero hour contact or better still workfare where they don't have to pay you anything... it really is disgusting. Just think what will happen to sick pay, maternity pay etc that is European law if we do get Brexit  ..gone like all the other things people fought for over the years. 

I'm starting to do my own polls in and outside work. If people are happy to tell me I ask if they plan to vote, if so which way. So far more people than not plan to vote. Of those I have only found one undecided, the rest are 'Brin'

Watched another politician on TV today answering questions about Europe, well I say answering questions, he just seemed to want to do anything but until he prefaced it with whatever drivel he wanted.

When will these overpaid trough snaffling cretins realise that we the GBP would prefer them to be upfront and answer the damn question asked!!

Most of us will just vote how we think will be best for ourselves

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

I'm starting to do my own polls in and outside work. If people are happy to tell me I ask if they plan to vote, if so which way. So far more people than not plan to vote. Of those I have only found one undecided, the rest are 'Brin'

 

 

You can ask me I'm Brexit  

velvet donkey posted:

And our kin    

 

It's a 51/49 here.

I'm getting worried..   Brexit seems to be gaining in popularity and the pound's dropping again.    

What would happen to the European Court of Justice and the European  Sale of Goods Act....both very useful when dealing with dodginess

Also anything Gove wants, I don't

Scary stuff....all I can see is the immigration excuse and the lies that surround it. No thought of what is going to happen after Brexit, how much we will have to pay to trade, probably over 2 years to negotiate a trade agreement and then have to accept EU rules much like Norway.  

To top it all, a government that may or may not be illegal due to electoral fraud and threatening more Austerity, god help poorest in society as if this lot need any excuse to make people's lives more miserable. 

I'm voting in, for the sake of my children and grandchildren, we vote out and it goes horribly wrong we're b*ggered, we stay in and leave at anytime if it goes wrong...no brainer for me. 

The most convincing argument for me to vote in is the list of the people who want Brexit... Gove, Farage, Johnson 

just saying...these are things no one is talking about!

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

Scary stuff....all I can see is the immigration excuse and the lies that surround it. No thought of what is going to happen after Brexit, how much we will have to pay to trade, probably over 2 years to negotiate a trade agreement and then have to accept EU rules much like Norway.  

To top it all, a government that may or may not be illegal due to electoral fraud and threatening more Austerity, god help poorest in society as if this lot need any excuse to make people's lives more miserable. 

I'm voting in, for the sake of my children and grandchildren, we vote out and it goes horribly wrong we're b*ggered, we stay in and leave at anytime if it goes wrong...no brainer for me. 

The most convincing argument for me to vote in is the list of the people who want Brexit... Gove, Farage, Johnson 

I despise this government...and the fact that they are so deeply divided over Europe can only do them harm I hope. Cameron is just as bad....but this EU question goes way beyond Tory power struggles.....John major was brilliant on andrew marr ....a compassionate and intelligent tory.....rare indeed.

I met someone who was at a party with a young Gove undergraduate.....he used to steal perfume from his host's bedroom to drink when the normal booze ran out!

I agree with what you say Dame....

Kaffs posted:

I'm getting worried..   Brexit seems to be gaining in popularity and the pound's dropping again.    

The only problem with polls is they got it massively wrong at the recent election.

Apparently thousands of young people have been registering to vote before today's closing deadline.

This is good news indeed.  After all, it is the young who are going to be most affected by the outcome of this referendum, (rather than old farts like me), so it's important that they have their say.

Madame Arcati posted:

Apparently thousands of young people have been registering to vote before today's closing deadline.

 

This is good news indeed.  After all, it is the young who are going to be most affected by the outcome of this referendum, (rather than old farts like me), so it's important that they have their say.

My son just got back from a few days working in Berlin and hopes to go again...so yes, many of the young are for staying in

Amythist posted:

Madame Arcati posted:

Apparently thousands of young people have been registering to vote before today's closing deadline.

 

This is good news indeed.  After all, it is the young who are going to be most affected by the outcome of this referendum, (rather than old farts like me), so it's important that they have their say.

My son just got back from a few days working in Berlin and hopes to go again...so yes, many of the young are for staying in

Most young folk that I know are in favour of staying in, too, Amythist.

Madame Arcati posted:

Apparently thousands of young people have been registering to vote before today's closing deadline.

 

This is good news indeed.  After all, it is the young who are going to be most affected by the outcome of this referendum, (rather than old farts like me), so it's important that they have their say.

I was going to start another thread about the registration systems going down overnight due to demand.

You do have to ask yourself how bothered these people can be if they left it until the 11th hour and 59th minute!

I'm quite harsh and think that if you missed it, tough. A life lesson to be more organised in future. 

I posted my IN vote today 

I shall put my "x" by either in or out 

Moonie posted:

I shall put my "x" by either in or out 

Moonie posted:

I shall put my "x" by either in or out 

50/50 chance then eh? 

So are you voting then Donks?

Sprout posted:

Moonie posted:

I shall put my "x" by either in or out 

50/50 chance then eh? 

Yes indeed 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

I was going to start another thread about the registration systems going down overnight due to demand.

 

You do have to ask yourself how bothered these people can be if they left it until the 11th hour and 59th minute!

 

I'm quite harsh and think that if you missed it, tough. A life lesson to be more organised in future. 

 

A lot of the people registering last minute are younger people and just maybe they have come to realise how important it is they have a choice in the decision and not let the older generation decide the future for them...just saying 

Interesting reading, thank you all  

I'm still undecided. I have no faith in politicians either way, and think the media just tell us what they want us to hear. 

Dame's post re Nissan is interesting especially, I know many folk who work there 

~Sweet Summer~ posted:

Interesting reading, thank you all  

I'm still undecided. I have no faith in politicians either way, and think the media just tell us what they want us to hear. 

 

Dame's post re Nissan is interesting especially, I know many folk who work there 

Sweet, my way of thinking is, if the vote is out, it's our next generations that have to deal with the aftermath and at the minute the Brexit peeps aren't coming up with enough opposite arguments to make me vote their way. They're hanging it on a 'one pony' 

And.....even though they want out, do they realise they still will end up paying money into Europe without having any say 

That's my take on it 

I found this interesting....    I'm for staying in - far to much risk to business if we come completely out, and if we go the way of Norway, we just pay and are dictated to by Brussels without being involved in the decision making.  It's a no brainer for me.   Change from within.

http://www.theguardian.com/com...d-by-norwegian-model

Yes Kaffs, for me, while being in Europe isn't perfect it's better than being out in my opinion.  I'm voting to change from within for my nieces and nephews and their children, and children's children