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Scrap postal votes or elections will be fixed, says judge who warns ballot-rigging is now a 'probability' in parts of Britain

  • Judge Richard Marvey, who presides over electoral fraud, made warning
  • He said introducing 'on demand' postal voting did not boost turnout
  • But it has opened the electoral system to fraud on 'an industrial scale'
Open to abuse: Local election postal ballots are counted

Open to abuse: Local election postal ballots are counted

Postal voting is ‘wide open to fraud’ and should be scrapped in its current form, a top judge warned last night.

Judge Richard Mawrey, who sits in judgment on election fraud cases, said ballot-rigging was now a ‘probability’ in some parts of Britain due to the extension of postal voting.

Mr Mawrey, a deputy high court judge, said the introduction of ‘on demand’ postal voting had failed to boost turnout. But he warned it had made Britain’s electoral system vulnerable to fraud on ‘an industrial scale’.

He told Radio 4’s File on 4 programme that in one case last year he had come across 14 different ways in which postal votes can be manipulated.

‘Postal voting on demand, however many safeguards you build into it, is wide open to fraud,’ he said.

‘It’s open to fraud on a scale that will make election rigging a possibility and indeed in some areas a probability.’

Mr Mawrey presided over a notorious 2004 ballot-rigging case in Birmingham which uncovered evidence of abuse he said would ‘disgrace a banana republic’.

Yesterday he added: ‘What has worried me about this for some time is the ease with which is it possible to commit postal vote fraud and the scale on which it can be committed.

‘In the past when you had personal voting, that is to say voting at polling stations, there was fraud but, frankly, it was minuscule. Postal voting on demand has enabled fraud to be carried out on what, in one case, I described as an industrial scale.’

 

Source: MailOnline

 

 

  1. 29 April 2015 at 3:58pm

 

More than 70,000 ballot papers stolen by van thieves

 

A van containing tens of thousands of ballot papers has been stolen while en route to a constituency in the south of England ahead of next week's general election.

The van, carrying around 72,300 ballot slips, was on its way to Hastings when thieves struck as it travelled through London.

 

Measures have been taken to ensure the stolen papers cannot be used

Measures have been taken to ensure the stolen papers cannot be used <cite>Credit: PA</cite>

A spokesman for Hastings Borough Council said the Electoral Commission had been informed, and said police did not believe the papers were deliberately targeted.

He told ITV News that different ballot papers would now be used so that the stolen slips cannot be used at the polls.

 

We have been in touch with the Electoral Commission and, following their guidance, we have put a process into place which will ensure that these ballot papers are not used for fraudulent purposes and cannot be included in the count.

We have also made arrangements for delivery of further ballot papers.

We've spoken to the Metropolitan Police and it very much seems like it was a case of mistaken identity - we don't believe they deliberately targeted the ballot papers. I expect there are some very disappointed thieves out there somewhere.

We will be able to tell if the papers used were stolen. The ones that we will be using will be different to the one that were stolen.

<cite class="quote__cite-text">– Hastings Borough Council spokesman</cite>

 

Last updated Wed 29 Apr 2015
 
Source: ITV News, ITV.Com
 

 

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Originally Posted by squiggle:

SOUTH THANET - DECLARATION TIMES

2015: about 11:00am (8hrs LATE)

2010: 3:17am
2005: 4:44am
2001: 3:33am
1997: 3:12am

 

A little odd?

Farage probably asked for several recounts!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing

The boxes didn't actually turn up until 8am Fluffs!

 

Sky News confirmed at 6.58am on Friday that the count had not started but said it would be beginning soon.

The slowdown has been blamed on a delay in the arrival of postal vote ballot boxes.

squiggle
Last edited by squiggle
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

There are people who believe that they were manipulated Jen 

 

Or rather the reporting of them was...

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Checking the odds

Sunday Times political editor writes….

 

Hills:Next UKIP leader….

4/7 Nigel Farage

5/2 Suanne Evans

12/1 Douglas Carswell

 

….says it all. He’s only gone on holiday.

  He said himself he'd decide after the summer 

FM
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Ukip's new leader Suzanne Evans is a failed Conservative general election candidate

Revealed: Suzanne Evans applied to fight last Thursday's general   election for the Tories two years ago. She was rejected because her speaking   skills were not up to scratch.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

Are you sure? I was under the impression that the Exit Polls were pretty close to the mark, but that people were hard put to believe them because everything that had gone before had suggested it would be very close between the Tories and Labour and that no-one would have a clear majority.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

It was the same during the Thatcher era.  Never knew a

single soul who admitted to voting for 'em

Madame Arcati
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

Are you sure? I was under the impression that the Exit Polls were pretty close to the mark, but that people were hard put to believe them because everything that had gone before had suggested it would be very close between the Tories and Labour and that no-one would have a clear majority.

Thereby allowing it to be manipulated 

FM
Originally Posted by Madame Arcati:
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

It was the same during the Thatcher era.  Never knew a

single soul who admitted to voting for 'em

 

One and only time - for her second term.

 

My only excuse is I was young and naieve!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
I doubt it was a fix. I can only speak of my area. It was obvious on the doorsteps that people still believe the myth  that Labour were responsible in some way for the banking collapse.
The aspirational people in the new estates believe that they are Tories, even though they work for other people, no security,  and have huge mortgages. You work it out!!
Garage Joe
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Madame Arcati:
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

It was the same during the Thatcher era.  Never knew a

single soul who admitted to voting for 'em

 

One and only time - for her second term.

 

My only excuse is I was young and naieve!

Plucky of you to admit it, Fluffy!

Madame Arcati
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Jen-Star:

I am sceptical because the exit polls were so off the mark and I'm finding it hard to find the people who voted the Tories back in!

Are you sure? I was under the impression that the Exit Polls were pretty close to the mark, but that people were hard put to believe them because everything that had gone before had suggested it would be very close between the Tories and Labour and that no-one would have a clear majority.

There seems to have been a very quick rush to myth-making over the exit polls, largely due to Paddy Ashdown admitting he was wrong over his "I'll eat my hat" comment. The fact is that the exit polls were predicting a Tory minority, with at best the Lib-Dems scraping enough seats for the coalition to remain in power - just.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/elec...15-scotland-32633029

 

The exit polls got it wrong - they were just less wrong than everyone expected!

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

wish it was a fix, all I feel is despair looking at the headlines...more pain for the poor 

even my lisa has her doubts & she's the sensible type

 

i reckon its a fix, but i never trust anything/anyone

pirate1111
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

wish it was a fix, all I feel is despair looking at the headlines...more pain for the poor 

even my lisa has her doubts & she's the sensible type

 

i reckon its a fix, but i never trust anything/anyone

 

 

don't know about it being a fix Pirate, I find that difficult to believe...I do think there is something dodgy about the polls leading up to the election. One poll was bang on with the result on Wednesday, they didn't publish it because they were so far out of step with all the others, thinking it a was a false poll..the polling companies are being looked into  Although I was in Carlisle on Friday a Tory marginal that stayed Tory...there was a sense of utter shock from most people talking about it, they couldn't believe the result in the city 

Dame_Ann_Average

its a bit odd that everyone is shocked by the result

anyway

i dont trust 'em-any of 'em

 

its gotta be easy to sway anything especially if youve got power, it might sound far fetched but we dont know what really happens behind closed doors

if ant & dec can be accused of vote fixing then old massive face dave can aswell

 

ps

i also believe in aliens

 

well i do!

pirate1111
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

its a bit odd that everyone is shocked by the result

anyway

i dont trust 'em-any of 'em

 

its gotta be easy to sway anything especially if youve got power, it might sound far fetched but we dont know what really happens behind closed doors

if ant & dec can be accused of vote fixing then old massive face dave can aswell

 

ps

i also believe in aliens

 

well i do!

 

Pssst and so do I  

Dame_Ann_Average

dame,

im not educated or clever

but im a bit wise (probably street wise lol), in my own tiny way & this election result doesnt seem right to me

i cant give you figures cos i have NOT a clue what they mean

i just reckon the result isnt right

anyone reading this, mock me if you want, im not bothered

anyway

back ina bit

just waiting for the mothership to drop me back to asda car park

pirate1111
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

dame,

im not educated or clever

but im a bit wise (probably street wise lol), in my own tiny way & this election result doesnt seem right to me

i cant give you figures cos i have NOT a clue what they mean

i just reckon the result isnt right

anyone reading this, mock me if you want, im not bothered

anyway

back ina bit

just waiting for the mothership to drop me back to asda car park

 

I wouldn't mock you Pirate and I do understand...everyone I have spoken to are dumbfounded by the results, I find it incredible myself. People are actually dying because of the cuts, it just fills me with despair that people voted for much more of the same and that's why I find it unbelievable   The polls for the last few years had either labour in front or neck and neck...it is strange 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

its a bit odd that everyone is shocked by the result

anyway

i dont trust 'em-any of 'em

 

its gotta be easy to sway anything especially if youve got power, it might sound far fetched but we dont know what really happens behind closed doors

if ant & dec can be accused of vote fixing then old massive face dave can aswell

 

ps

i also believe in aliens

 

well i do!

 

Pssst and so do I  

Me too 

Yellow Rose
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yellow Rose:
 

 

ps

i also believe in aliens

 

well i do!

 

Pssst and so do I  

Me too 

 

 

haha...we're all leftie loonies 

And proud of it 

Yellow Rose
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Yellow Rose:
 

 

haha...we're all leftie loonies 

And proud of it 

 

and me 

i think im more to the right...

well have a look at farages face

 

thats never human

pirate1111
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:

I'm a cherry picker.

you really tall & take the best?

I'm a starling   

youre my darling i meant starling *combs hair*

 

 

Image result for grease danny and kenickie combing hair

 

pirate1111
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Checking the odds

Sunday Times political editor writes….

 

Hills:Next UKIP leader….

4/7 Nigel Farage

5/2 Suanne Evans

12/1 Douglas Carswell

 

….says it all. He’s only gone on holiday.

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Checking the odds

Sunday Times political editor writes….

 

Hills:Next UKIP leader….

4/7 Nigel Farage

5/2 Suanne Evans

12/1 Douglas Carswell

 

….says it all. He’s only gone on holiday.

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

TBH I didn't think Farage's promise to quit was ever in the same category as Milliband and Clegg's resignations anyway.


IMO, Farage promised to resign based on the assumption that UKIP would get more seats: by doing so, he was avoiding the possibility of a large number of UKIP MPs having an unelected leader. 

 

UKIP actually did well as far as number of votes cast goes - it's really down to the electoral system that it wasn't translated into seats. As far as seats go, they're pretty much in the same position they were before the election, so if the party members remain happy with Farage, why allow him to resign?

Eugene's Lair
Last edited by Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

dame,

im not educated or clever

but im a bit wise (probably street wise lol), in my own tiny way & this election result doesnt seem right to me

i cant give you figures cos i have NOT a clue what they mean

i just reckon the result isnt right

anyone reading this, mock me if you want, im not bothered

anyway

back ina bit

just waiting for the mothership to drop me back to asda car park

 

I wouldn't mock you Pirate and I do understand...everyone I have spoken to are dumbfounded by the results, I find it incredible myself. People are actually dying because of the cuts, it just fills me with despair that people voted for much more of the same and that's why I find it unbelievable   The polls for the last few years had either labour in front or neck and neck...it is strange 

not met anyone admitting to voting for them yet - it does seem a bit off

Rocking Ros Rose
Originally Posted by Rosgirl:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

dame,

im not educated or clever

but im a bit wise (probably street wise lol), in my own tiny way & this election result doesnt seem right to me

i cant give you figures cos i have NOT a clue what they mean

i just reckon the result isnt right

anyone reading this, mock me if you want, im not bothered

anyway

back ina bit

just waiting for the mothership to drop me back to asda car park

 

I wouldn't mock you Pirate and I do understand...everyone I have spoken to are dumbfounded by the results, I find it incredible myself. People are actually dying because of the cuts, it just fills me with despair that people voted for much more of the same and that's why I find it unbelievable   The polls for the last few years had either labour in front or neck and neck...it is strange 

not met anyone admitting to voting for them yet - it does seem a bit off

I have ....and Olly ....and another one  

Baz

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