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Originally Posted by Saint:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
We are English and we use the term cludgie as part of the saying, "imagine 'em on the cludgie!" a way of deflating people, as it were.


But don't you live in a chemical dustbin Teeside?


That's what put food on the table yes. Also Bridges, the railway, ships, and that farm by Long Newton that knocks out honey at 4.99 poond a jar.

Garage Joe

Thanks El Loro, I use FF although I and hubby have IE as a backup. I saw your message earlier and passed it on to friends as I know some of them use IE. One friend in the US emailed yesterday to say on her news channel they mentioned there was going to be a big announcement from Microsoft today but no mention of what it was. I sent it to her and she was grateful as she hadn't heard any more about the announcement. She's passing it on to members of her Forum and other sites and friends, so thanks again for spreading the word

Yellow Rose
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:

 People still use Internet Explorer?

 

There are much better browsers out there.

Some of you may remember that I started having problems with IE earlier in the year. I never fully got to the bottom of it, but I've come to the conclusion that IE8 is effectively "broken" on some sites because of changes those sites made to accomodate IE9. I'm on Windows XP, so upgrading to IE9 was never an option.

I can't remember who it was, but a FM suggested Chrome and that's what I use now. I still keep IE8 as a backup, but probably won't be using it for a little while...

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:

 People still use Internet Explorer?

 

There are much better browsers out there.

Some of you may remember that I started having problems with IE earlier in the year. I never fully got to the bottom of it, but I've come to the conclusion that IE8 is effectively "broken" on some sites because of changes those sites made to accomodate IE9. I'm on Windows XP, so upgrading to IE9 was never an option.

I can't remember who it was, but a FM suggested Chrome and that's what I use now. I still keep IE8 as a backup, but probably won't be using it for a little while...

 

Eugene, I know your pain. I still have XP on at work and know the problems that can be encountered as XP becomes marginalised.

 

I have been promoting Chrome on here for a while (not taking credit for possibly other FM's suggesting using it). Mainly because the research I have done seems to support it being a good and pretty efficient browser. My backup is Opera which I also like. IE of any flavour is a last resort for me.

 

I might be worth your while updating your OS at some point in the near future as XP will get progressively problematic.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
 

I might be worth your while updating your OS at some point in the near future as XP will get progressively problematic.

Updating could be difficult. My understanding is that upgrading from XP to Windows 7 is non-trivial, and my laptop is probably too under-powered for it anyway. And TBH, I don't fancy the hassle of upgrading to anything more "exotic" either. 

What will probably happen is that when my computer gets too out-of-date, I'll just upgrade the whole shebang...

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
 

I might be worth your while updating your OS at some point in the near future as XP will get progressively problematic.

Updating could be difficult. My understanding is that upgrading from XP to Windows 7 is non-trivial, and my laptop is probably too under-powered for it anyway. And TBH, I don't fancy the hassle of upgrading to anything more "exotic" either. 

What will probably happen is that when my computer gets too out-of-date, I'll just upgrade the whole shebang...

 

That would be to best option if it is a bit long in the tooth. But upgrading the OS is not so bad these days, but as you say, you ned the hardware to run it. I ran the MS upgrade advisor tool on mine. It said it was OK even though it's a few years old. I added a bit more RAM upgraded and it works. You do have to be a bit careful how many windows you have open at once though.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities

Re Microsoft official support for Windows. Microsoft will continue to provide security etc updates until the end of what they call their extended support period. After that date, they may continue to provide updates but not necessarily.

Extended support dates published by them are at present:

Windows XP April 8, 2014

Windows Vista April 11, 2017

Windows 7 January 14, 2020

 

It is possible they may have to extend the Windows XP date as many businesses use Windows XP.

 

El Loro

GJ, the Internet Explorer security risk is that a crook could get a Trojan virus on your computer without any firewall or antiviral software stopping it. The Trojan virus is called Poison Ivy and it lets the crooks steal data from your computer or to take remote control of it.

 

 

I've just checked and Microsoft are releasing a fix for the risk as part of their normal updates. They say they are doing this tomorrow so you should see notification of the update and should install it.

 

If anyone needs to fix it now click on the following link, read the instructions and select Enable Fix this problem

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2757760

 

 

El Loro
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Thanks El Loro! I'll look out for that. How do they get the Trojan onto your PC? Is it something they do? Or is it self inflicted?

If you happened to go on a website which was infected with the Poison Ivy Trojan then your computer would become infected.

According to Eric Romang who discovered this, none of the anti-malware programmes will pick this up.

The criminal cybergang "Nitro Gang" are the group who have been infecting websites around the world.

El Loro
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:

Has anyone further news? I still don't understand. Do you think it will update itself? Thanks for your imput El Loro.

Provided your settings are set to download Microsoft updates automatically, the update should come though automatically and you should see the usual yellow shield icon in the Windows toolbar. The update to your computer will then take place when you turn the computer off and it installs as part of the closing down process, or you can click on the yellow shield icon and install the update that way.

 

Microsoft haven't given a specific time other than on Friday. The chances are that we won't see the updates until we switch our computers on tomorrow.

El Loro

GJ, check that your Windows Automatic Updates is set on. In Windows XP - Control Panel - Security Center - Manage Security Settings for Automatic Updates - Automatic - Every Day. Set the time to the next hour.

When the time you've set comes you should soon see the yellow shield icon appearing in the windows toolbar.

 

El Loro
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I take it that the problem has been rectified.

I think you're still vulnerable if you haven't installed the update Erin.

That's correct. Users who have Windows Update set to automatic should be alright, it's anyone who isn't who are vulnerable unless they install the update.

 

For anyone who needs to install the update because it's not set to automatic, this link will take you to the Internet Explorer update page.

You will see that different versions are available depending on which version of Windows and which version of Internet Explorer you use and you will need to work out which version to download.

http://technet.microsoft.com/e...ty/bulletin/ms12-063

El Loro

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