She sed historically the incidents of rape had always increased during war time and so applied this pattern to our troops.

She also sed, "Little girls learn to flirt with their fathers. You know the "kiss daddy goodnight" " Suggesting that the sexualising of children begins at home!!

Brilliant article Saz

I saw that awful man on This Morning and couldn't believe what he was saying! Dear old Denise was shaking her head and very calmly argued against him I thought.

She's right

Originally Posted by stonks:

Africa was'nt raped twice in her life then she was lucky....

Oh my goodness

I know, it's shocking and, of course, Blizzie is right they weren't dressed "like sluts" either I'm sure!

TEMPS are you then saying our troops will rape people?

I've got quite mixed views on this.  Of course in an ideal world, any woman should be able to walk anywhere she wants alone in the middle of the night virtually nekkid without attracting any unwanted advances.  But we don't live in that sort of world.  Nothing gives anyone the right to rape anyone, to try to make someone have sex with them, or even to draw conclusions about them by how they dress; unfortunately life isn't like that, and there always have been, and always will be, a very small proportion of men who perceive women who dress revealingly as being slappers, and thinking that gives them the right to harrass them or worse.  I think that women have to take on board that, rightly or wrongly, the way they dress DOES affect how they are perceived and can lead to unwanted attention, and maybe should take this into account when they choose what they are going to wear .

As for Nick Freeman, I think his comment about his daughter shows incredible hypocrisy - she looks incredibly cheap and tacky. 

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying renton

TEMPS do you think all men are potential rapists then?

Germaine Greer is my arse..anyone who buys into her shoite needs their heads testing..anything to sell another shoite book....

Oh Renton, go jump up and down for attention elsewhere

Do you not think that the British Army would have the same percentage of rapists as the rest of the population?

Did anyone watch the killing fields of Shri Lanka the other night..I was horrified the way the army raped and murdered all those people and filmed it....

I wud like to give them the benefit of the doubt

Oh Renton, go jump up and down for attention elsewhere

??Wot you mean Temps??

I do know that incidents of rape increase during war (look at the Congo), but how would the troops being there increase it? Is it to do with creating an atmosphere of war (foreign troops) rather than a civil uprising?

Of course.

Men get the benefit of the doubt all the time.

Especially if the woman is showing some flesh, or has a 'past'! 

I think her point was that we shouldn't rush into putting troops on the ground, after the story about Viagra being handed out to Libyan troops came out. I think she suspected that it was propaganda.

I watched it, last night. 

She sed, "All soldiers in certain circumstances will rape"

Dreadful

I would definitely like to have a few discussions with GG.

Rape happens in War, I don't know why, it's just one of those things and her point was that if you send troops in there it would raise the potential for British Troops to do the same.  I think her comments came across as though she was definitely saying it would happen...whereas it's more it COULD happen than it would happen.  If you get me

Oh was that the news article about Gadaffi telling his troops to use rape as a weapon?

Sorry if I'm coming across a bit fick btw, it's just one of those things I've often wondered... why does rape increase in war?

All rules of how we live as a society go out the window..all crime goes up its not just rape....

The sad thing is, it's not only rape against the 'enemy' that it happens.  I was watching an episode of Oprah *for shame* a few weeks ago, who was interviewing female soldiers who fought in Afghanistan and they said that sexual violence is common in the army - male against female

oh yes, good point

i can , with hand on heart, declare that having seen women in various states of disaray ,and having also been familiar with women who were dressed less than conservatively,some with cleavage exposed ,and  legs and  tummies and bums, i have never  yet  felt the need to rub up against these women and say dirty /offensive things to them or  feel the need to assualt/atack/belittle them.

live and let live ..

I have a theory as to why there are more incidents of rape during conflicts. It's as if a switch is flicked in the soldiers heads, and because they are in a war situation of  "Kill or be killed" I think it is some kind of primeval way of making sure they procreate.That is just my opinion.I am not for one second making excuses for anyone, it is just my take on things and doesn't make it any the less evil and horrendous.

I'm kinda thinking like you Sezit. I'm not condoning it in any way, but is it kind of a 'tension release'? 

No I don't think it is a tension release, I think it is a most dispicable crime against women. If it was just a tension release they could Spank the monkey.

Yes you're right. Good point 

A power trip maybe?  Kinda like we are here and can do what we want?  Or as someone else said.....as a weapon?  Kill the men rape the women.  Such an awful crime particularly in those countries where if a husband finds out his wife has been raped he abandons her

sorry to interupt, but rape  has been used  as a weapon of war since conflicts began.

it's not a new thing , one only has to look at the  atrocities  committed against the poles by the russians in ww2 to realise this.

i think the romans had a knack  for it as well.

I'd say it's one of the oldest forms of weapon.

There's another take on it 

Yes they did Jackson. We were also told that Vikings came and raped and pillaged, but, I think that was scurrilous  rumours put about by the Picts and Scots.

You know, I wish I'd taken more notice in History at school (30 odd years ago) but the teacher we had wasn't very good 

Awww Sprout.  I was at school nearly 40 years ago, but the last thing I learned in history for my 'o' level was The Jacobite Rebellion. I have forgotten most of it as I wasn't interested in the least, so I let it go once I left school. I knew it wouldn't come in handy when I beacme a clerical assistant in my first job.