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Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by Ev (Peachy):

Ashton objections getting shot down.

Dr Sptiz thinks the duct tape was placed after death and not before. 

There would be DNA on the duct tape if it were placed across the face.

 

The duct tape was"a later event".

Spitz says he has a strong feeling the duct tape was placed to hold lower jaw in place. 

 

My note now (Actually this is in line with what i think happened and have said all along) mentioned on the other thread.. 

You`ve picked that up wrongly EV. He said he thinks the duct was placed after decompositon - not death. 

Sorry yes i have put that right, but it would have to still have been placed after death i was meaning. 

Ev (Peachy)
Originally Posted by Roxan:

I guess they are implying Kronk applied it when he moved the body to keep the scull together or to implicate Casey.

could be  but was Kronk in possession of this unusual tape - from what I remember this tape was no longer sold and was fairly unique.

 

Thing I still can't get my head around is, if it really was an accidental overdose of chloroform, why doesn't she just confess - does she really think she will get off??? 

FM
Originally Posted by Roxan:

I agree its a total stretch but defence dont need to prove anything just provide doubt. Pedella, the other bounty hunter that revoked Caseys bond because she was lying, thinks Casey will be found guilty of aggrevated child abuse and get 10 years. With time served and overcrowding she could be released very quickly.  

I read that on Channel 13s web page - I was trying to look for that montage but it wasn't there - anyhoo couldn't believe what he was saying 

FM
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

IMO - he's just turned up for the money and to discredit Dr G who I believe he is jealous of.

agreed    he trains people in protocols yet doesn't know what those protocols are.  Dr G may have more up-to-date, he did his examination at the funeral home 

 

I don't think he was prepped enough for this trial and I think because he's been involved in high profile cases before, he probably believes his own hype of how good he is.

 

he's losing his temper and Dr G never came close to losing hers  

FM
Originally Posted by Roxan:

Pedilla is filming a national TV show, he was arrested filming outside the Anthony home on Thurs. News 13 site is a bit crap. This was on the TV, i'll see if I can find it for you though!

Fankoo 

 

 

Ashton needs to be very careful - because he is coming across as if he's bullying the guy 

FM

Spitz has done 60k autopsies. That's a good sized town.

 

Some jurors took notes when Spitz said he can't tell manner of death. Spitz is the 10th witness called by the defense. 

Ashton chomping at the bit to get started. 

 

Sptiz says he has given autopsy report and been to  the Anthony's home.

Spitz says he doesn't know if he had any facts about Caylee being alive. What happened to her etc

Ashton is making the point that Dr. G had more information about the case than Dr. Spitz did

 

Spitz: I do recall facts I considered important.

 

Spitz says he considered pool/possibility of drowning important and month that went by w/o Caylee being reported missing. 

 

Spitz: Dr. G should've opened skull. Basically saying the autopsy was a shoddy job. 

 

The head is an extremely important item," Dr. Spitz says w/ a lot of enthusiasm during the cross by Ashton.

He says to not open skull is a failure of any forensic pathologist,When the head is not opened, that tells me it's a shotty autopsy.Spitz I've been out of mainstream-shoddy autopsy. You provoked me.  (due to the manner of interigation) 

 

Ashtons voice getting higher during cross, and banging his hand on the book, he shows to Spitz, Spitz quite cross.

 

Ashton hands Spitz a book he edited. Asks where it says "you must open skull." 

 

"Sir, this is not a book on protocol," Spitz tells Ashton. 

Spizz says it is written by lawyers for lawyers (jury laugh)

I have never seen this book before i can tell you that

 

 

 

 

Ev (Peachy)
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Ev (Peachy):
Originally Posted by Yogi19:
Originally Posted by Ev (Peachy):

Anyway i hope you lot are all appreciating all my live up dates from the court. LUTTING 

 

I appreciate all your hard work, Ev.

Thanks Yogi,  I knew you would 

me too - I lubs reading your bits in the other fred 

*snogs* 

 

Ev (Peachy)

Heavy cross examining. (I like Dr Spitz)

 

Ashton asks  when you opened the skull you broke it. Spitz looks puzzled.  I didn't know I did that. i didn't break it, in my opinion.

Ashton moves on

 

what was the residue in skull? Spitz: this is debris from decomposing brain.

Ashton is asking Dr. Spitz about the skull being in water.

If skull was under water couldn't this be sediment of dirty water?

Spitz says it can't be dirt sediment because it wouldn't have been able to get inside skull .

Ashton also asked Spitz if he broke a skull while opening it in another case- Spitz says he doesn't recall.

Ashton asks Spitz to put his skull back together. On the witness stand he lays it on it's left side.

Ashton is holding the skull and asking Dr. Spitz about the hair that was found on Caylee's skull.

 

Ashton says if skull was in position Spitz says it was - wouldn't mass of hair be on that side as well right?

Spitz explains which side the hair would be on. 

 

 

Juror 11 appears to be enjoying back and forth here from the two of them.

 

CaseyAnthony is turning her head way left in order not to see picture of her daughters skull.

Spitz explaining where the hair mass would be stuck to the skull.

 

He says from the picture it speaks for itself.Caylee's skull is on monitor.

 

And demonstrates with a hanky (for the hair|) and the skull how this would be. How it would be on the skull and how it would be matted.Spitz is trying to demonstrate how the  hair would have fallen. He also  says the water could have moved the hair and it essentially glued itself to bottom of skull.

Ashton querying  him about all this.

 

not sure if the jury is picking up on point of positioning of hair. 

 

*A real to and fro from these two so far.... 

 

 

Ev (Peachy)
Originally Posted by Pengy:

I think the good doctor should remember he's not in a class room but a court room and needs to answer the questions direct and concisely not as if he's giving a lesson 

I think he should learn that we are living in a scientific world now - years ago his guess work and estimating may have been enough - we now have ways of testing which ensures accuarcy. The guy is arrogant!

Soozy Woo

Ashton to Spitz: How did this person put duct tape on the skull? 

Spitz's thinks body decomposed at the site on its left side.

Spitz thinks duct tape was applied after she had decomposed. He says there was no skin left at time.

(hmm  i find this strange, i would need this explaining) 

 

Ashton keeps saying he picks up the skull  when referring to the person taping the jaw in an anatomical position, reporters not impressed. 

 

 

 

Ev (Peachy)
Originally Posted by Ev (Peachy):

Ashton to Spitz: How did this person put duct tape on the skull? 

Spitz's thinks body decomposed at the site on its left side.

Spitz thinks duct tape was applied after she had decomposed. He says there was no skin left at time.

(hmm  i find this strange, i would need this explaining) 

 

Ashton keeps saying he picks up the skull  when referring to the person taping the jaw in an anatomical position, reporters not impressed. 

 

 

 

I agree that the brain while it was decomposing could have stained the inside of the skull showing which side the body was laid on but I think the good Doctor has just been blown out of the water with this duct tape theory 

FM

Ashton pointing out how improbable theory is of tape being placed on bare bones of skull with jaw in correct place.Ashton asks why 3 pieces of duct tape then? Spitz says the pieces weren't very long so the third was so it would reach.

 

Ashton: Why us there no glue residue in skull? Spitz same as skin-no residue.

 

 

My note (its like a game of tennis.. back and forward  no end in sight) 

 

Reporters saying :They really have an uphill battle. Unlike the defense, they have the burden of proof.

 

  • Remember, the defense only has to instill reasonable doubt in ONE juror.
    by Jessica Steck/WESH.com at 5:21 PM
Ev (Peachy)

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